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Investment allocation review and advice, please
« on: March 21, 2024, 06:51:59 AM »
I'm looking for advice on my investment strategy over the next couple of years as I 1)reach my retirement savings goal and 2) get closer to ramping down working. I specifically want advice about allocations, since I've been a high risk tolerance/aggressive investor for the last 30 years and am so used to saving a LOT I'm finding it hard to shift my approach as I (may) be reaching a point where I should be a little less aggressive.

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I'm a 55 year old woman. I like my Organizational Development consulting job, but it's stressful and I want time to do other things I'm passionate about. I would like to decrease my work to 75% time because that would keep my work provided health insurance, 10% salary match for my 403b, sabbatical eligibility, vacation, etc. I'm thinking of "retiring" around 62, a year after my next paid 3-month sabbatical. I'm married to a 45 year old man who is working and makes about 1/2 what I make. We would like him to "retire" earlier because of our age difference and wanting to enjoy life together, but are flexible. We have 4 kids between us--mine are in their early 20s and his are in their teens.
I manage our investments and enjoy doing so. Our approach over the last 10 years has been to keep our cost of living fairly low but totally enjoyable while saving a large percent of our salaries.

Current retirement investments:
My 403b=$800,000
His 401k=$270,000
My ROTH IRA=$130,000
His ROTH IRA=$40,000
Taxable investment Fidelity account=$425,000
My traditional ROTH=$25,000
TOTAL: $1,690,000

Using the 4% rule or the 25x rule and our retirement timelines, we need $1,800,000 to comfortably retire and I will likely reach that this year.

My strategy for 2024 is a 3-fund portfolio focused on funds with low expense ratios:
64% US total market index fund
21% International index
15% US Bond index

I also use tax-wise guidelines for spreading these allocations across our different types of accounts.

My questions:
What type of allocation strategy would you be moving to once we reach our financial goal?
What would your allocation strategy look like over the next few years?

I assume I should be moving more toward bonds, but I also read contrary opinions about this and how bond heavy we should be.
I greatly appreciate your help!

 


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Re: Investment allocation review and advice, please
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2024, 11:05:07 AM »
MMM feedback will likely be contrary to mine.


However, I'm in a similar boat, have been 70/30/0 equity/fixed/cash for the past ten years, and have moved to 70/25/5, added a 1 year cash buffer which will increase when I reduce my income. 

I'd suggest adapting your IPS to include your plans for withdrawal method, with your expenses and taxes vs income planned, then adapt your Risk level accordingly.  You say you're used to saving a LOT - what are your expenses? 

https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Investment_policy_statement

https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Withdrawal_methods

https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Risk_and_return:_an_introduction


This one sits well with me, because it adapts to market returns, and ensures you spend enough, not saving to pay for your funeral.

https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Variable_percentage_withdrawal

No one can answer your bold questions, except for you and your 45 year old man.

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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2024, 12:28:13 PM »
I'm retired, no pension or SS at this time.  Currently I'm about 10% cash/MM fund, far less in any fund that holds bonds, the rest is equities.

It depends on your risk tolerance and what your withdrawal rate will be.  Your current AA looks fine to me.

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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2024, 01:21:47 PM »
I'm retired, no pension or SS at this time.  Currently I'm about 10% cash/MM fund, far less in any fund that holds bonds, the rest is equities.

It depends on your risk tolerance and what your withdrawal rate will be.  Your current AA looks fine to me.

Thank you! I had a thought after I wrote this that I could decide how much money I would need to live in a poor market for 5 years or so (which would be about $350,000 in today's dollars), and then keep that much in bonds. Does that make sense? Bonds are basically new to me, so I'm still trying to figure out how they fit into my planning.

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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2024, 01:23:53 PM »
MMM feedback will likely be contrary to mine.


However, I'm in a similar boat, have been 70/30/0 equity/fixed/cash for the past ten years, and have moved to 70/25/5, added a 1 year cash buffer which will increase when I reduce my income. 

I'd suggest adapting your IPS to include your plans for withdrawal method, with your expenses and taxes vs income planned, then adapt your Risk level accordingly.  You say you're used to saving a LOT - what are your expenses? 

https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Investment_policy_statement

https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Withdrawal_methods

https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Risk_and_return:_an_introduction


This one sits well with me, because it adapts to market returns, and ensures you spend enough, not saving to pay for your funeral.

https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Variable_percentage_withdrawal

No one can answer your bold questions, except for you and your 45 year old man.

Thanks for your feedback! I appreciate these resources and will check them out. This is very helpful. I do have a lot more detail in my IPS than what I provided, but thought what I provided was enough for these questions--I guess not! We spend about $72,000 a year (today's dollars, of course). We own a house with a mortgage and another house next door that's a rental and almost paid off. Not sure if these facts matter, though, to my question about pending retirement allocations. Thanks again for the links!
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2024, 01:29:31 PM »
Will you qualify for SS?  I like to think of my eventual SS as a bond allocation (OK, more of an annuity) but it fits neatly into the Fixed Income bucket to my way of thinking.  Like the above suggestion to allocation some to cold hard CASH in retirement. 

If it was me (and I'm NOT YOU) I'd go higher on bonds and other fixed income in a 'bond tent', e.g. my max bond allocation would be on day of retirement.  Would allow allocation to drift upwards organically towards 100% equity as SORR fades out.  Dr Wade Pfau has written extensively on his academic research behind that approach.

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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2024, 01:39:50 PM »
Will you qualify for SS?  I like to think of my eventual SS as a bond allocation (OK, more of an annuity) but it fits neatly into the Fixed Income bucket to my way of thinking.  Like the above suggestion to allocation some to cold hard CASH in retirement. 

If it was me (and I'm NOT YOU) I'd go higher on bonds and other fixed income in a 'bond tent', e.g. my max bond allocation would be on day of retirement.  Would allow allocation to drift upwards organically towards 100% equity as SORR fades out.  Dr Wade Pfau has written extensively on his academic research behind that approach.

Wow! You are SMART! I will have to some reading to be able to understand the info you shared. Yes, I'll qualify for SS, and I hadn't thought of it in the in the same bucket as bonds--that's really helpful. I will do more research on Dr. Wade Pfau and the approach you shared. Thank you!

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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2024, 03:01:16 PM »
May I suggest a couple of things:

*  Instead of thinking about Asset Allocation, consider when you need the money (aka Time Horizon).  Money that you may need within 4-5 years should be in a lower risk investment (bonds, CDs, etc.).  Money you won't need for 8-10 years should be in higher risk investments (equities).  IMO, this is the essence of Asset Allocation.  Given your comment about $350K to cover 5 years of expenses, this money represents about 20% of your NW and should be in a fixed income investment.  The rest should be in equities that can ride out a 2 year slump like we just went through.

*  Consider eliminating the international exposure.  The returns are comparable (+/- 2% over 10-20+ years).  Because this is >10 year money, why bet against US equities?  The performance history does not support international unless you start bouncing from country to country to find better returns. I don't have the time nor interest.

*  Completely agree with Financial.velociraptor about SS being an annuity to be factored into your NW calculations - regardless of cuts to benefits that are in the news.  Check out your future benefits on www.ssa.gov.  DW and I receive about $5,000/month.  We would need ~$1.0-1.5MM in investments to generate that income.




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*  Consider eliminating the international exposure.  The returns are comparable (+/- 2% over 10-20+ years).  Because this is >10 year money, why bet against US equities?  The performance history does not support international unless you start bouncing from country to country to find better returns. I don't have the time nor interest.




https://www.callan.com/research/2023-classic-periodic-table/

"The Callan Periodic Table of Investment Returns conveys the strong case for diversification across asset classes (stocks vs. bonds), capitalizations (large vs. small), and equity markets (U.S. vs. global ex-U.S.). The Table highlights the uncertainty inherent in all capital markets. Rankings change every year"

2004:  Ex-US was double Large Cap
2005:  Ex-US was triple Large Cap
2006, 2007: almost double, or more than double
so on and so forth, what will the future bring?

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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2024, 07:03:17 PM »
May I suggest a couple of things:

*  Instead of thinking about Asset Allocation, consider when you need the money (aka Time Horizon).  Money that you may need within 4-5 years should be in a lower risk investment (bonds, CDs, etc.).  Money you won't need for 8-10 years should be in higher risk investments (equities).  IMO, this is the essence of Asset Allocation.  Given your comment about $350K to cover 5 years of expenses, this money represents about 20% of your NW and should be in a fixed income investment.  The rest should be in equities that can ride out a 2 year slump like we just went through.

*  Consider eliminating the international exposure.  The returns are comparable (+/- 2% over 10-20+ years).  Because this is >10 year money, why bet against US equities?  The performance history does not support international unless you start bouncing from country to country to find better returns. I don't have the time nor interest.

*  Completely agree with Financial.velociraptor about SS being an annuity to be factored into your NW calculations - regardless of cuts to benefits that are in the news.  Check out your future benefits on www.ssa.gov.  DW and I receive about $5,000/month.  We would need ~$1.0-1.5MM in investments to generate that income.

Your first point is very helpful. I've done good projections on how much we'd need while my DH is working, I'm working less to none through us both not working at all, so thinking about how much we'll need when and creating an allocation plan to support that timeline makes a lot of sense. Thanks!

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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2024, 10:21:02 PM »
I have seen the Callan Periodic Table and I don't dispute that international will outperform US in isolated years - as you point out.  However, over long periods of time (>10 years), it does not happen:

Vanguard International - 4.18% (10 yr)
Vanguard US Total market - 11.9% (10 yr), 8.5% (20+ years)
Vanguard International growth - 10.2% (40+ yrs)

Part of the reason different asset classes outperform others is because "investors" migrate from one to the other trying to eke out marginal returns.  This is akin to the rotation in and out of Growth and Value that happens regularly - same with tech.  Being successful depends on timing the rotation which most of us are lousy at and don't have the bandwidth to manage.

This simply creates noise that confuses the average investor. 

Staying with domestic equities - most of which are doing business overseas - is a simple strategy with a proven record.

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2024, 11:10:03 PM »
Do you still have a mortgage?  If so, how much and at what interest rate?

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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2024, 06:37:35 AM »
Do you still have a mortgage?  If so, how much and at what interest rate?

Good morning! Yes, we have 2 mortgages--our primary residence and our rental home next door.

Primary home
Mortgage balance: $300,000
Years left: 18 years
Interest %: 2.5%

Investment property
Mortgage balance: $237,000
Years left: 13 years
Interest %: 3.875%

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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2024, 07:31:40 AM »
Do you still have a mortgage?  If so, how much and at what interest rate?

Good morning! Yes, we have 2 mortgages--our primary residence and our rental home next door.

Primary home
Mortgage balance: $300,000
Years left: 18 years
Interest %: 2.5%

Investment property
Mortgage balance: $237,000
Years left: 13 years
Interest %: 3.875%
In that case, you might consider the mortgages as bonds when working out your asset allocation. IMO, not doing so can make your AA too conservative. Awesome rates, BTW.  Don't be in a hurry to pay those babies off.

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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2024, 09:50:53 AM »
Do you still have a mortgage?  If so, how much and at what interest rate?

Good morning! Yes, we have 2 mortgages--our primary residence and our rental home next door.

Primary home
Mortgage balance: $300,000
Years left: 18 years
Interest %: 2.5%

Investment property
Mortgage balance: $237,000
Years left: 13 years
Interest %: 3.875%
In that case, you might consider the mortgages as bonds when working out your asset allocation. IMO, not doing so can make your AA too conservative. Awesome rates, BTW.  Don't be in a hurry to pay those babies off.

Thanks for the advice! Very helpful. And you know it would feel GREAT to pay off the mortgages, it just doesn't make sense. Someday they'll be gone! :)

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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2024, 01:22:46 PM »
Do you still have a mortgage?  If so, how much and at what interest rate?

Good morning! Yes, we have 2 mortgages--our primary residence and our rental home next door.

Primary home
Mortgage balance: $300,000
Years left: 18 years
Interest %: 2.5%

Investment property
Mortgage balance: $237,000
Years left: 13 years
Interest %: 3.875%
In that case, you might consider the mortgages as bonds when working out your asset allocation. IMO, not doing so can make your AA too conservative. Awesome rates, BTW.  Don't be in a hurry to pay those babies off.

Thanks for the advice! Very helpful. And you know it would feel GREAT to pay off the mortgages, it just doesn't make sense. Someday they'll be gone! :)
You know it feels even better to realize you could pay them off three times over. Its far more fun to watch those little green soldiers earn you more money without you having to lift a finger.

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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2024, 01:54:20 PM »
I’ll just echo what others have said - overall what you are doing makes sense to me. Some of the things people mentioned are worth considering, but they are tweaks rather than massive changes.

FWIW my asset allocation is pretty close to yours. I’m still working right now, but may pull the plug in the next couple of years.

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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2024, 10:20:07 PM »
... I'm married to a 45 year old man who is working and makes about 1/2 what I make. We would like him to "retire" earlier because of our age difference and wanting to enjoy life together, but are flexible. We have 4 kids between us--mine are in their early 20s and his are in their teens.

His 401k=$270,000
His ROTH IRA=$40,000

From these numbers, it looks like your husband depends on your assets to retire in seven years.  He'll be well below age 59.5, which means he incurs a 10% penalty withdrawing from retirement accounts.
https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/plan-participant-employee/retirement-topics-exceptions-to-tax-on-early-distributions

His listed assets are one fifth of yours.  With twice his income, do you pay twice as much towards expenses?  (Example: you might pay $60 towards bills while he pays $30)  If you pay for things equally, despite his much lower salary, that could be impacting his savings rate.

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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2024, 06:19:18 AM »
... I'm married to a 45 year old man who is working and makes about 1/2 what I make. We would like him to "retire" earlier because of our age difference and wanting to enjoy life together, but are flexible. We have 4 kids between us--mine are in their early 20s and his are in their teens.

His 401k=$270,000
His ROTH IRA=$40,000

From these numbers, it looks like your husband depends on your assets to retire in seven years.  He'll be well below age 59.5, which means he incurs a 10% penalty withdrawing from retirement accounts.
https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/plan-participant-employee/retirement-topics-exceptions-to-tax-on-early-distributions

His listed assets are one fifth of yours.  With twice his income, do you pay twice as much towards expenses?  (Example: you might pay $60 towards bills while he pays $30)  If you pay for things equally, despite his much lower salary, that could be impacting his savings rate.
We married 10 years ago and both had 2 kids coming into the marriage. Because I worked very hard to build my career and I'm the sole supporter for my kids, and he isn't as $/career oriented, I set up our budget so that we contribute to our joint expenses commensurate with our earnings. So, I've always paid twice as much as him. Be only started saving and investing since I met him because I've provided a lot of financial support that enabled him to have money to save and I got his blessing to manage his money. LOL
We also agreed when we married to save to our retirement accounts commensurate with our salary, although sometimes I have put money in his ROTH so that we could max it out when he couldn't swing it.
He won't be retiring when I am due to our age difference, but will continue to work until around 60.
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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2024, 07:25:15 AM »
I’ll just echo what others have said - overall what you are doing makes sense to me. Some of the things people mentioned are worth considering, but they are tweaks rather than massive changes.

FWIW my asset allocation is pretty close to yours. I’m still working right now, but may pull the plug in the next couple of years.

Thank you! I appreciate your advice. :)

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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2024, 11:18:52 PM »
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From these numbers, it looks like your husband depends on your assets to retire in seven years.  He'll be well below age 59.5, which means he incurs a 10% penalty withdrawing from retirement accounts.
https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/plan-participant-employee/retirement-topics-exceptions-to-tax-on-early-distributions

His listed assets are one fifth of yours.  With twice his income, do you pay twice as much towards expenses?  (Example: you might pay $60 towards bills while he pays $30)  If you pay for things equally, despite his much lower salary, that could be impacting his savings rate.
We married 10 years ago and both had 2 kids coming into the marriage. Because I worked very hard to build my career and I'm the sole supporter for my kids, and he isn't as $/career oriented, I set up our budget so that we contribute to our joint expenses commensurate with our earnings. So, I've always paid twice as much as him. Be only started saving and investing since I met him because I've provided a lot of financial support that enabled him to have money to save and I got his blessing to manage his money. LOL
We also agreed when we married to save to our retirement accounts commensurate with our salary, although sometimes I have put money in his ROTH so that we could max it out when he couldn't swing it.
He won't be retiring when I am due to our age difference, but will continue to work until around 60.
Oh, I see - the plan is for you to retire in 7 years, and he retires in 15 years.  Those extra years of growth will help his retirement accounts grow much larger.  You retiring while he works 8 more years could be a challenge in non-financial ways.  Maybe off topic, but he could experience stress over it, and your 3 month sabbatical may serve as a test run for you two to try it out.

If your husband can't always make his Roth contributions, maybe he needs a few more financial planning tips.  Given his comfort with a woman's financial advice (yours), maybe he'd be willing to read a Suze Orman book on personal finance?  She recommended the income and expenses split be proportional, and having an emergency fund.  Maybe from there he can save $550/month for the $6500/year contribution to a Roth IRA.

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« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2024, 10:36:42 AM »
Check out your future benefits on www.ssa.gov.  DW and I receive about $5,000/month.  We would need ~$1.0-1.5MM in investments to generate that income.
This calculator is probably fine for this case. For others who might want to quit work significantly earlier or explore the impacts of part-time work, they should also check out the unofficial site https://ssa.tools/ where you can input amounts earned by year.

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Instead of thinking about Asset Allocation, consider when you need the money (aka Time Horizon).  Money that you may need within 4-5 years should be in a lower risk investment (bonds, CDs, etc.).  Money you won't need for 8-10 years should be in higher risk investments (equities).  IMO, this is the essence of Asset Allocation.  Given your comment about $350K to cover 5 years of expenses, this money represents about 20% of your NW and should be in a fixed income investment.  The rest should be in equities that can ride out a 2 year slump like we just went through.

I agree with this for the most part. It is worth considering, at your age, if you want to be biased towards conservativeness given reduced human capital compared to someone retiring at 45.

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Consider eliminating the international exposure.  The returns are comparable (+/- 2% over 10-20+ years).  Because this is >10 year money, why bet against US equities?  The performance history does not support international unless you start bouncing from country to country to find better returns. I don't have the time nor interest.
I like international myself at this allocation percentage. I also don't think it likely that it will matter much if you put 15% towards it or not. I expect results will be dominated by a retiree's actual expenses first and foremost, then if the future looks more like US SWR or global SWR, regardless of allocation.

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My traditional ROTH=$25,000
Can we assume this means traditional IRA? It doesn't make any difference as far as answers to this question, just in the interest of clearing a few things up.

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you might consider the mortgages as bonds when working out your asset allocation. IMO, not doing so can make your AA too conservative.
I agree. OP, if you do go searching online you'll find that this is a classic internet fight, and the what to do about it can get confusing quickly. See https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=346160. If you're starting by picking an asset allocation I'd use the below or Dicey's recommendation in tallying up the asset allocation.

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The mortgage is a negative bond, but your home value is a positive bond. So they tend to cancel out. But net effect should be a “positive bond” unless you’re under water. That’s why you actually need less bonds if you buy into this “mortgage is a negative bond” business to begin with.

Thus I would instead prefer to use the phrase “your net home value is a bond.”

Net home value bond = home value - mortgage balance.

No matter what, if you can buy bonds at a higher rate than your mortgage do not pre-pay your mortgage during your work years at the very least =).

For me, I work backwards, using Blueberry's approach of starting with your needs and letting the AA fall where it may. I.e. if I'm retiring 10 years before SS, maybe I want 12-13 years of expenses in fixed income and bonds regardless of what I have in stocks, with an intent to spend that down to hopefully 4-5 by the time I take SS. I don't care what the AA is along the way. For fun, when people say they'll save up 2-3 years of cash to spend down the first few years, this is equivalent to a small bond tent. If they'll only spend it during a down market, this is them temporarily taking a more conservative AA and rebalancing.

This is especially true depending on how you two work out expenses once the rubber hits the road. I.e. it might make sense for "your" practical AA to be higher since your partner will still be working. Plus the question of who will inherit and thus  the investment horizon of your inheritors. Even if you don't want to treat it this way, there are real considerations adjacent to this. Such as if you should take SS early or instead wait, with that portion of "your" expenses covered by your partner, if your survivor SS benefits taken at 70 might be higher than your partners benefits. This is also colored by who inherits your stache.

Lastly, and purely pedantic, "ROTH" is "Roth" and named after senator Roth who introduced them =).
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2024, 01:46:31 PM »
Agree with the gist of this thread -- you're doing great!  And I'm another vote for NOT ditching international.  It's true that US has outperformed, and if you're confident that the next 40-50 years will be better for US markets than the ROW, I suppose you could ditch international, but I don't share that confidence.  It might happen, but it might not (IMHO).