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Learning, Sharing, and Teaching => Investor Alley => Topic started by: smallstache on December 22, 2018, 04:08:20 AM

Title: VTSAX Tax Loss Harvesting
Post by: smallstache on December 22, 2018, 04:08:20 AM
Any ideas for Vanguard funds to swap into for the purpose of harvesting losses in VTSAX? I was thinking a 50/50 mix of VIGAX and VVIAX. This would be a 31-day holding and then back to VTSAX.
Title: Re: VTSAX Tax Loss Harvesting
Post by: Born2Run on December 22, 2018, 05:46:23 AM
VLCAX = Large-Cap Index Fund (Admiral)
This is the fund I see most often recommended as a tax loss partner for VTSAX.
Performance has been very similar.
Title: Re: VTSAX Tax Loss Harvesting
Post by: FIREball567 on December 22, 2018, 05:51:50 AM
What about buying VTSAX after selling VTI and Schwab Dividend Equity ETF in my Wealthfront account?


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Title: Re: VTSAX Tax Loss Harvesting
Post by: terran on December 22, 2018, 06:18:59 AM
What about buying VTSAX after selling VTI and Schwab Dividend Equity ETF in my Wealthfront account?


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I would not buy VTSAX within 30 days of selling VTI at a loss. Some would disagree, but I think most people would say that two investments that follow the same index are substantially identical.

The transactions being at different brokerages means that the brokerage won't flag it as a wash sale, but it's still a wash sale.
Title: Re: VTSAX Tax Loss Harvesting
Post by: Indexer on December 22, 2018, 08:20:39 AM
What about buying VTSAX after selling VTI and Schwab Dividend Equity ETF in my Wealthfront account?


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I would not buy VTSAX within 30 days of selling VTI at a loss. Some would disagree, but I think most people would say that two investments that follow the same index are substantially identical.

The transactions being at different brokerages means that the brokerage won't flag it as a wash sale, but it's still a wash sale.

I second this advice. VTSAX and VTI don't just track the same index. Vanguard's ETFs are a share class of their index funds, so VTI and VTSAX are the same fund. It's as substantially identical as you are likely to get.


50/50 mix of VIGAX and VVIAX should work, as should using VLCAX.
Title: Re: VTSAX Tax Loss Harvesting
Post by: Greatoutdoors on December 25, 2018, 08:09:35 PM
I've been thinking about the same thing and currently have holdings in both VTSAX and S&P500.

I assume, given there's ~80% overlap between these index that, I could trade one for the other immediately and avoid a wash sale?
Title: Re: VTSAX Tax Loss Harvesting
Post by: MustacheAndaHalf on December 26, 2018, 09:04:14 AM
Technically, Schwab US Broad Market (SCHB) lacks about ~1000 stocks that are found in VTSAX / VTI.  So in terms of not being "substantially identical", the points in favor are different brand names (Schwab vs Vanguard), different assets (~2500 vs ~3700 stocks), and different indices (DJ vs CSRP).  You could also use the Russell 1000 (the 1000 largest stocks).
Title: Re: VTSAX Tax Loss Harvesting
Post by: Aggie1999 on December 26, 2018, 02:04:18 PM
I'm TLH'ing VTSAX into VLCAX. Portfolio Visualizer difference is $31,224 (VTSAX) vs $31,203 (VLCAX) from a $10k investment in Jan 2005. Not worth trying to simulate VTSAX into two funds. Also, don't seem any real reason to switch back to VTSAX unless more TLH opportunities arise.
Title: Re: VTSAX Tax Loss Harvesting
Post by: Spitfire on December 27, 2018, 08:37:19 AM
I just exchanged for VFIAX, not the exact same but the S&P 500 covers most of the total stock market. Planning to switch back in a month.