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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9850 on: September 13, 2023, 10:28:22 PM »
job top is in.


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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9851 on: September 14, 2023, 07:29:57 AM »
To be serious for just a moment - from a historical chart it looks like the Nikkei declined or was essentially flat until 2012, but has risen steadily for the last decade. Id be interested in seeing what total returns look like for someone who spent the last 30 years making monthly contributions to it.

Coming right up ... this ignores any dividends and focuses solely on the stock price of the Nikkei 225.

Let's assume starting in January 1990 you invested 1,000/mo in the stock market.  Every year the amount you invest goes up by 3%, so that in 2023 you are investing $2,652.
You would invest a total of $684,805 and you would end up with 1,436,044.  Your rate of return over that time period would have been about 4.68%/yr.

In the last 10 years the index tripled to return to its mid-1990 pre-crash value, so your return on investments around that starting point would be close to zero.  Anything else starting below that ended up positive, but keep in mind there was a long wait and your return was likely negative for the first 15-20 years.
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9852 on: September 28, 2023, 11:00:08 AM »
M.O.A.T.rendlines!

Is a new G.O.A.T M.O.A.T. on the horizon??

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9853 on: September 28, 2023, 11:44:04 AM »
M.O.A.T.rendlines!

Is a new G.O.A.T M.O.A.T. on the horizon??

I know we are living in the end times when real article titles are indistinguishable from The Onion article titles.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9854 on: September 28, 2023, 12:56:35 PM »
M.O.A.T.rendlines!

Is a new G.O.A.T M.O.A.T. on the horizon??

I know we are living in the end times when real article titles are indistinguishable from The Onion article titles.
Not quite what Tyson was meaning, but close.   Several SOMEONES thought the Onion was real.
https://www.cracked.com/article_34270_15-times-the-onion-was-mistaken-for-actual-news.html

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9855 on: October 06, 2023, 12:04:23 PM »


Top is in!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9856 on: October 06, 2023, 04:05:04 PM »


Top is in!

At last, clarity has returned

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9857 on: October 08, 2023, 07:55:32 PM »
I've been offline for like two months and the thread has barely moved! I figured surely I'd missed something exciting while building a shed, wood shed, and sauna multiplex... Atlas the construction top is in and winds of winter have returned.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9858 on: October 09, 2023, 06:48:49 AM »
I've been offline for like two months and the thread has barely moved! I figured surely I'd missed something exciting while building a shed, wood shed, and sauna multiplex... Atlas the construction top is in and winds of winter have returned.
The top was never going to be publicized, not even here, so that quiet period was when the top became in. Confirm by checking a 3 month chart of the stock markets.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9859 on: October 19, 2023, 02:53:36 PM »
The top was never going to be publicized, not even here, so that quiet period was when the top became in. Confirm by checking a 3 month chart of the stock markets.

I thought most of this thread was about publicizing. 



Top is in!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9860 on: October 19, 2023, 03:58:45 PM »
Well, the VIX is over 15.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9861 on: October 19, 2023, 08:08:00 PM »
Well, the VIX is over 15.
But are earnings a reality check?

Enquiring minds want to know!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9862 on: October 20, 2023, 01:37:18 AM »
To be serious for just a moment - from a historical chart it looks like the Nikkei declined or was essentially flat until 2012, but has risen steadily for the last decade. Id be interested in seeing what total returns look like for someone who spent the last 30 years making monthly contributions to it.

Coming right up ... this ignores any dividends and focuses solely on the stock price of the Nikkei 225.

Let's assume starting in January 1990 you invested 1,000/mo in the stock market.  Every year the amount you invest goes up by 3%, so that in 2023 you are investing $2,652.
You would invest a total of $684,805 and you would end up with 1,436,044.  Your rate of return over that time period would have been about 4.68%/yr.

In the last 10 years the index tripled to return to its mid-1990 pre-crash value, so your return on investments around that starting point would be close to zero.  Anything else starting below that ended up positive, but keep in mind there was a long wait and your return was likely negative for the first 15-20 years.

OTOH let's see how a Japanese retiree in 1990 with 100% Nikkei portfolio has fared..

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9863 on: October 20, 2023, 02:27:26 AM »
Fed Chair talks, market drops.

The top is not in for my SPY put options.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9864 on: October 20, 2023, 11:45:34 AM »
What if we've been reading this all wrong, and the "top" was in bonds?

Check the OP. It mentions the S&P but doesn't explicitly say what top we're talking about.

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We R fukt
« Reply #9865 on: October 23, 2023, 08:25:04 PM »

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9866 on: October 23, 2023, 08:32:15 PM »





For some reason, this comes to mind:


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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9867 on: October 24, 2023, 07:43:10 AM »
Hopefully in the end the markets don't go off the rails as badly as Twin Peaks did.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9868 on: October 24, 2023, 08:03:35 AM »
Hopefully in the end the markets don't go off the rails as badly as Twin Peaks did.


We will have to wait and see.


In this dimensional space the Top is always in!

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Re: We R fukt
« Reply #9869 on: October 25, 2023, 12:52:21 PM »


What is going on with the Y axis on that chart?

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Re: We R fukt
« Reply #9870 on: October 25, 2023, 01:12:21 PM »

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9871 on: November 20, 2023, 02:38:50 PM »
As of market close today, the S&P 500 is 5.5% from the all-time high.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9872 on: November 20, 2023, 07:34:34 PM »
As of market close today, the S&P 500 is 5.5% from the all-time high.

QQQ is less than 2% away from all time high!  Tech top is in, long live the top!!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9873 on: November 21, 2023, 11:27:17 AM »
I haven't checked the forums in a few years. I can't believe this thread is still alive. :DDD

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9874 on: November 21, 2023, 11:28:48 AM »
I haven't checked the forums in a few years. I can't believe this thread is still alive. :DDD

The Top is ALWAYS in!!!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9875 on: November 21, 2023, 01:52:27 PM »
I haven't checked the forums in a few years. I can't believe this thread is still alive. :DDD

The Top is ALWAYS in!!!
This may be the peak of this thread. It's all downhill from here.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9876 on: November 21, 2023, 02:20:46 PM »
I haven't checked the forums in a few years. I can't believe this thread is still alive. :DDD

The Top is ALWAYS in!!!
This may be the peak of this thread. It's all downhill from here.

It's nice to know in these times of uncertainty that we can always count on the top being in.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9877 on: November 21, 2023, 06:26:57 PM »
I haven't checked the forums in a few years. I can't believe this thread is still alive. :DDD

The Top is ALWAYS in!!!
This may be the peak of this thread. It's all downhill from here.

It's nice to know in these times of uncertainty that we can always count on the top being in.

The Top is in!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9878 on: November 22, 2023, 11:04:23 AM »
Its always surprising how each comment in this thread tops the last.

Whereas in the market itself, the top is already in!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9879 on: December 01, 2023, 02:00:16 PM »
Surely the top is now in and the fall is imminent

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9880 on: December 01, 2023, 02:05:05 PM »
Fear is back, rates above 5, markets breaking down. SPY to follow, earnings will be a reality check.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9881 on: December 01, 2023, 02:08:40 PM »
Fear is back, rates above 5, markets breaking down. SPY to follow, earnings will be a reality check.

Thorstach is that you?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9882 on: December 01, 2023, 02:15:04 PM »
Fear is back, rates above 5, markets breaking down. SPY to follow, earnings will be a reality check.

Thorstach is that you?

Alas, it is not. I am just trying to channel His thoughts.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9883 on: December 01, 2023, 03:50:47 PM »
The S&P closed today just 4.2% from the all-time high, and set a new top for this year. Kris Kringle rally is a go!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9884 on: December 02, 2023, 02:30:15 AM »
Fear is back, rates above 5, markets breaking down. SPY to follow, earnings will be a reality check.
The market is greedy, not fearful.
https://edition.cnn.com/markets/fear-and-greed

Rates are only above 5% for those holding one year or less.
https://www.ustreasuryyieldcurve.com/

Markets are not "breaking down" when the S&P 500 rose 6.6% in a month.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPY?p=SPY

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9885 on: December 02, 2023, 05:57:21 AM »
Fear is back, rates above 5, markets breaking down. SPY to follow, earnings will be a reality check.
The market is greedy, not fearful.
https://edition.cnn.com/markets/fear-and-greed

Rates are only above 5% for those holding one year or less.
https://www.ustreasuryyieldcurve.com/

Markets are not "breaking down" when the S&P 500 rose 6.6% in a month.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPY?p=SPY

You realize this thread has sort of become a running joke, right?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9886 on: December 02, 2023, 06:12:04 AM »
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You realize this thread has sort of a become one hell of a long-running joke, right?

Fixed that for you! ;)

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9887 on: December 02, 2023, 08:14:47 AM »
Fear is back, rates above 5, markets breaking down. SPY to follow, earnings will be a reality check.
The market is greedy, not fearful.
https://edition.cnn.com/markets/fear-and-greed

Rates are only above 5% for those holding one year or less.
https://www.ustreasuryyieldcurve.com/

Markets are not "breaking down" when the S&P 500 rose 6.6% in a month.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPY?p=SPY

You realize this thread has sort of become a running joke, right?
Fact checking top is in?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9888 on: December 03, 2023, 10:20:50 AM »
Serious replies to this thread make it worth keeping it alive, just for the meta factor.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9889 on: December 04, 2023, 07:46:12 AM »
Fear is back, rates above 5, markets breaking down. SPY to follow, earnings will be a reality check.
The market is greedy, not fearful.
https://edition.cnn.com/markets/fear-and-greed

Rates are only above 5% for those holding one year or less.
https://www.ustreasuryyieldcurve.com/

Markets are not "breaking down" when the S&P 500 rose 6.6% in a month.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPY?p=SPY
That's exactly what the Top would look like.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9890 on: December 04, 2023, 07:52:54 AM »
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You realize this thread has sort of a become one hell of a long-running joke, right?

Fixed that for you! ;)

how dare ye blaspheme the sacred top is in!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9891 on: December 04, 2023, 07:57:30 AM »
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You realize this thread has sort of a become one hell of a long-running joke, right?

Fixed that for you! ;)

how dare ye blaspheme the sacred top is in!

Looks like we're in for a Santa Claus bloodbath this year...  unless Thorstach delivers one last prophetic warning to get the markets up over the last Top

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9892 on: December 04, 2023, 09:01:50 AM »
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You realize this thread has sort of a become one hell of a long-running joke, right?

Fixed that for you! ;)

how dare ye blaspheme the sacred top is in!

Looks like we're in for a Santa Claus bloodbath this year...  unless Thorstach delivers one last prophetic warning to get the markets up over the last Top

last Top, next Top, current Top. They all seem to be a blur to me and run together. Maybe there is truth in the last 500 posts here that tried to inform the doubters that there is but one Top, and it remains in.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9893 on: December 04, 2023, 09:18:59 AM »

If it's still spinning, the top is still in.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9894 on: December 04, 2023, 09:33:03 AM »
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You realize this thread has sort of a become one hell of a long-running joke, right?
Fixed that for you! ;)
how dare ye blaspheme the sacred top is in!
Looks like we're in for a Santa Claus bloodbath this year...  unless Thorstach delivers one last prophetic warning to get the markets up over the last Top
last Top, next Top, current Top. They all seem to be a blur to me and run together. Maybe there is truth in the last 500 posts here that tried to inform the doubters that there is but one Top, and it remains in.
It is this poly-top-ism that is the blasphemy. @thorstach will send you all to hell, or at least cause your portfolios to experience below-average returns for a couple of years.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #9895 on: December 04, 2023, 07:24:54 PM »
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You realize this thread has sort of a become one hell of a long-running joke, right?
Fixed that for you! ;)
how dare ye blaspheme the sacred top is in!
Looks like we're in for a Santa Claus bloodbath this year...  unless Thorstach delivers one last prophetic warning to get the markets up over the last Top
last Top, next Top, current Top. They all seem to be a blur to me and run together. Maybe there is truth in the last 500 posts here that tried to inform the doubters that there is but one Top, and it remains in.
It is this poly-top-ism that is the blasphemy. @thorstach will send you all to hell, or at least cause your portfolios to experience below-average returns for a couple of years.

Beware of false tops.

 

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