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Re: Top is in
« Reply #650 on: September 06, 2017, 04:58:56 PM »
Can't say how much I am up overall without actual effort (lazy SOB here).  Just at 60% of my stache is in a Fidelity account that are not contributed to, and those are up just at 4% since the beginning of April, about $15k.  So overall it is likely $22k if I extrapolate to my other accounts with very similar allocations.  So Thorstash would have cost me a new car.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #651 on: September 06, 2017, 07:34:59 PM »
Can't say how much I am up overall without actual effort (lazy SOB here).  Just at 60% of my stache is in a Fidelity account that are not contributed to, and those are up just at 4% since the beginning of April, about $15k.  So overall it is likely $22k if I extrapolate to my other accounts with very similar allocations.  So Thorstash would have cost me a new car.

Yeah, I would have to like go log into accounts and things. Meh. I already did that once this year, maybe I'll do it again after Christmas.
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #652 on: September 06, 2017, 08:03:54 PM »

Yeah, I would have to like go log into accounts and things. Meh. I already did that once this year, maybe I'll do it again after Christmas.


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Re: Top is in
« Reply #653 on: September 06, 2017, 08:50:48 PM »
Not a perfect calculation, seeing as some included contributions and such, but from the numbers that have been thrown out so far it looks as if listening to Thorstach would have cost members in this thread around $407,954 (so far).


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Re: Top is in
« Reply #654 on: September 07, 2017, 01:01:35 AM »
From the 25th April until the peak last week was roughly

$80k for investments and $20k for pensions.. I guess pensions don't count as far as adjusting investments so call it $80k for me

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #655 on: September 07, 2017, 01:17:06 AM »
Whenever thorstach has a dry spell and I need a different source of entertainment I like to read the Technical Indicator.
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Similarly, the S&P 500ís backdrop remains relatively straightforward, even amid the jagged late-summer price action.

Tactically, the S&P has reclaimed the headline 2,453 mark, an area matching trendline resistance and the 50-day moving average.

To be sure, the reversal has registered low marks for style, as measured by volume and breadth, though as always, price action trumps other indicators.
Yup.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #656 on: September 07, 2017, 07:44:06 AM »
Ignoring contributions, my stash has returned ~9.3% since the start of the thread on April 11.  Thanks, thorstach!
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #657 on: September 07, 2017, 08:17:52 AM »
From the 25th April until the peak last week was roughly

$80k for investments and $20k for pensions.. I guess pensions don't count as far as adjusting investments so call it $80k for me

Updated total of $487,954 ... crazy.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #658 on: September 07, 2017, 08:38:34 AM »
From the 25th April until the peak last week was roughly

$80k for investments and $20k for pensions.. I guess pensions don't count as far as adjusting investments so call it $80k for me

Updated total of $487,954 ... crazy.

I think that the relevant question here isn't how much listening to Thorstach would have cost this thread's participants, but how much listening to Thorstach has cost Thorstach.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #659 on: September 07, 2017, 09:01:00 AM »
Whenever thorstach has a dry spell and I need a different source of entertainment I like to read the Technical Indicator.
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Similarly, the S&P 500ís backdrop remains relatively straightforward, even amid the jagged late-summer price action.

Tactically, the S&P has reclaimed the headline 2,453 mark, an area matching trendline resistance and the 50-day moving average.

To be sure, the reversal has registered low marks for style, as measured by volume and breadth, though as always, price action trumps other indicators.
Yup.
Thanks farfromfire.   Since I get my too-often-checked quotes from http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quotes/default.asp?fontsize=larger   ,
I don't see the main site, and never saw this before. Have we checked to see if thorstach isn't just quoting these people?
I'm a Yankee,  but I need to say "Isn't that special".
Do we credit the "author" of these articles or the programmer of the quote generator?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #660 on: September 07, 2017, 09:03:36 AM »
I think that the relevant question here isn't how much listening to Thorstach would have cost this thread's participants, but how much listening to Thorstach has cost Thorstach.

Thorstach is too smart to listen to a kook on the internet. ;)

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #661 on: September 07, 2017, 09:25:16 AM »
I'm up $42,972 since April.  That's total net worth according to mint.  As for just my investments...I'm up whatever I've contributed plus whatever growth VTSAX and VTIAX have had.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #662 on: September 07, 2017, 04:10:23 PM »
Up $43K since April



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Re: Top is in
« Reply #663 on: September 07, 2017, 04:47:58 PM »
+ 59.6K since april 11

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #664 on: September 07, 2017, 09:18:59 PM »
I'm up $42,972 since April.  That's total net worth according to mint.  As for just my investments...I'm up whatever I've contributed plus whatever growth VTSAX and VTIAX have had.

Up $43K since April

+ 59.6K since april 11


Updated total:  $633,526 gained by people in this thread since April.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #665 on: September 07, 2017, 09:39:25 PM »
Our investments alone (not counting contributions) are up about $25k since April.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #666 on: September 08, 2017, 03:21:17 AM »
I'm only up about $1600. My investment accounts are not as large as most other forum members since I only really got serious about investing this year.
Less is more.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #667 on: September 08, 2017, 08:22:20 AM »
I keep track of my numbers on the first of every month, and I show a gain of $51979 since June 1st (and had a gain of $15824 in the month of April, some of which is probably attributable to April 11-30).

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #668 on: September 08, 2017, 10:28:51 AM »
I am up $31K (excluding new contributions) since mid-April.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #669 on: September 08, 2017, 11:07:33 AM »
Up $11,000 since April 11. That's just gains on investments, no contributions.
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #670 on: September 08, 2017, 02:13:24 PM »
I listened to thorstach and took my money out of the market right after his first post, so I'm up about 100 bucks in bank interest minus any taxes I'll have to pay. Oh wait, I just checked and I guess I forgot to sell, so I'm actually up 45k not including contributions. That's a relief.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #671 on: September 08, 2017, 02:19:42 PM »
I listened to thorstach and took my money out of the market right after his first post, so I'm up about 100 bucks in bank interest minus any taxes I'll have to pay. Oh wait, I just checked and I guess I forgot to sell, so I'm actually up 45k not including contributions. That's a relief.

HAHA awesome

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #672 on: September 08, 2017, 02:24:43 PM »
I think I'm up around $65k since April, net of contributions.  I love the Top!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #673 on: September 08, 2017, 07:51:20 PM »
Our investments alone (not counting contributions) are up about $25k since April.
I'm only up about $1600. My investment accounts are not as large as most other forum members since I only really got serious about investing this year.
I keep track of my numbers on the first of every month, and I show a gain of $51979 since June 1st (and had a gain of $15824 in the month of April, some of which is probably attributable to April 11-30).
I am up $31K (excluding new contributions) since mid-April.
Up $11,000 since April 11. That's just gains on investments, no contributions.
I listened to thorstach and took my money out of the market right after his first post, so I'm up about 100 bucks in bank interest minus any taxes I'll have to pay. Oh wait, I just checked and I guess I forgot to sell, so I'm actually up 45k not including contributions. That's a relief.
I think I'm up around $65k since April, net of contributions.  I love the Top!

Updated total $879,929 gained by people in this thread since April.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #674 on: September 08, 2017, 09:36:53 PM »
I don't have nearly as much invested as most of you, but my holdings are up $2,500. Thanks Thorstach!
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #675 on: September 09, 2017, 09:10:23 AM »
Not including contributions, I'm only up about $900 since April, partly because i don't have the income/assets many people here do, and partly because I'm only 1/3 in US stocks, another 1/3 is in Canadian stocks which have sucked been on sale since april. 

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #676 on: September 09, 2017, 11:09:19 AM »
Hmm, gained plenty on FX when stated in USD but not so much joy in AUD.

The Aussie stock market is a lame duck ATM, and the USD has dropped 10% against the AUD more than offsetting gains on USD investments when I restate them to AUD.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #677 on: September 09, 2017, 01:19:48 PM »
I read this whole thread start to finish today, it was excellent. 10/10, would read again.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #678 on: September 09, 2017, 06:05:00 PM »
Hmm, gained plenty on FX when stated in USD but not so much joy in AUD.

The Aussie stock market is a lame duck ATM, and the USD has dropped 10% against the AUD more than offsetting gains on USD investments when I restate them to AUD.

Yep. I've gone backwards. Still I'm cool with it.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #679 on: September 09, 2017, 06:08:29 PM »
I read this whole thread start to finish today, it was excellent. 10/10, would read again.

this.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #680 on: September 10, 2017, 03:07:52 PM »
Top must not be in.  Just got the email from FutureAdvisor my portfolio is up 2.5% over the last 30 days.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #681 on: September 11, 2017, 10:17:04 AM »
Looks like we'll be getting a new top today! So here to say... TOP IS IN

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #682 on: September 11, 2017, 12:41:56 PM »
To my faithful and loyal disciples/minions from this thread:

I've become slightly more bearish since my Aug post. Not saying the top is in but the econ growth "rate" has slowed somewhat compared to the beginning of the year. I am hoping the price of oil to be elevated ( >48 but <53) until the lost US production is recouped so we may see some "inflation" in the next 6 months. Market breadth is not bad but again has decreased/flattened further.

Unlike most members we actually lost about 70k since May due to the strength of CDN. Feelsbadman but what can you do, selling would have netted a tax bill about half the size....

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #683 on: September 11, 2017, 12:58:01 PM »
Unlike most members we actually lost about 70k since May due to the strength of CDN.

You didn't lose $70K. The units of measure just got more valuable. Big difference.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #684 on: September 11, 2017, 12:59:50 PM »
Scott Adams, on stock-picking:
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When I was young, I assumed experts could pick stocks better than a monkey with a dart board. It turns out I was wrong. Index funds with no experts whatsoever routinely outperform the expert stock-pickers.

I have a degree in economics and an MBA from UC Berkeley. I did financial projections for a living, first at a major bank and later at the local phone company. People considered me an expert in that narrow field. In a number of cases, I got to track how my projections compared to actual results. They were rarely close. As an expert, I deserved no credibility whatsoever. And for a good reason. My projections required human judgment on lots of variables, so the output was little more than guessing and massaging the numbers to meet my bossís expectations.

See the whole article here: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/165227772726/when-to-trust-the-experts-climate-and-otherwise

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #685 on: September 11, 2017, 01:03:55 PM »
Unlike most members we actually lost about 70k since May due to the strength of CDN.

You didn't lose $70K. The units of measure just got more valuable. Big difference.

Yes of course. But it is better to stay consistent with the net amount in the accounts. It felt great in 2014-2016, it's only fair to look at it the same way now.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #686 on: September 11, 2017, 01:06:34 PM »
Scott Adams, on stock-picking:

I lost a lot of respect for Scott Adams when he became such a vocal and influential Trump promoter.  He's a funny guy, but his politics are pretty messed up.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #687 on: September 11, 2017, 01:25:14 PM »
Updated total $879,929 gained by people in this thread since April.

That number is going up a lot today.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #688 on: September 11, 2017, 01:31:36 PM »
I, too, have followed Scott Adams' Trump boosterism.

I thought he saw it as the best way to build his online following for the launch of this new startup he's been promoting. Frankly, his financial success may mean he has a lot to gain from a Trump Presidency, particularly if it dismantles the estate tax as part of tax reform.

There are times when I'm grateful for Scott's writing, because many conservative authors I follow (David Frum, David French, Mona Charen) have been pretty anti-Trump.

But I agree that posts like this (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/160770453201/the-slow-motion-assassination-of-president-trump) are not a good look for Adams, particularly within his own belief system in which cognitive dissonance is the single greatest check on credibility.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #689 on: September 11, 2017, 01:33:19 PM »
Scott Adams, on stock-picking:

I lost a lot of respect for Scott Adams when he became such a vocal and influential Trump promoter.  He's a funny guy, but his politics are pretty messed up.
He can vote and promote whoever he wants, but he is a real idiot when it comes to... many topics. See here:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scott_Adams#Views_on_science_and_history
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Iíd also like to know how the Holocaust death total of 6 million was determined... is it like every other LRN (large round number) that someone pulled out of his ass and it became true by repetition?
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Iíve been trying for years to reconcile my usually-excellent bullshit filter with the idea that evolution is considered a scientific fact
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    The reality is that women are treated differently by society for exactly the same reason that children and the mentally handicapped are treated differently. Itís just easier this way for everyone. You donít argue with a four-year old about why he shouldnít eat candy for dinner. You don't punch a mentally handicapped guy even if he punches you first. And you donít argue when a women tells you sheís only making 80 cents to your dollar. Itís the path of least resistance. You save your energy for more important battles.
etc,etc,etc.

His post that was linked to above, along with the quotes here, are premier examples of "just asking questions".

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #690 on: September 11, 2017, 02:03:39 PM »
Scott Adams, on stock-picking:
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While he's not wrong that stock picking is analogous to throwing darts at a board... It's a pretty big leap for him to go from the anecdote of himself being terrible at his job of predicting things to everyone in every field is terrible at predicting things.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #691 on: September 11, 2017, 02:06:31 PM »
Guess what, everyone?








The top....  well, it's....








IN!










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Re: Top is in
« Reply #692 on: September 11, 2017, 02:30:58 PM »
Up $35k since 4/13 and that's after paying $20k in kids' tuition.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #693 on: September 11, 2017, 02:44:00 PM »
Guess what, everyone?








The top....  well, it's....








IN!



Don't you mean the bottom is in?  :)

Actually I hope not, I could use a few years of steep discounts on my investment funds


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Re: Top is in
« Reply #694 on: September 11, 2017, 03:32:27 PM »
God damn it! Do we have to recalculate our paper gains since this post started?
Less is more.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #695 on: September 11, 2017, 04:28:16 PM »
God damn it! Do we have to recalculate our paper gains since this post started?

Wait until OP comes back to certify the top is actually still in.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #696 on: September 11, 2017, 04:48:55 PM »
Scott Adams, on stock-picking:

I lost a lot of respect for Scott Adams when he became such a vocal and influential Trump promoter.  He's a funny guy, but his politics are pretty messed up.

Ugh. Scientists do NOT say "it's too early to tell" - or at least the vast majority.

Rebuttal from another cartoonist:

https://xkcd.com/1732/
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #697 on: September 12, 2017, 08:09:04 AM »
I have lost track.  Is this a new top?  Or does it need to break out by the dead cat bounce percentage or something like that?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #698 on: September 12, 2017, 08:13:16 AM »
I have lost track.  Is this a new top?  Or does it need to break out by the dead cat bounce percentage or something like that?


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Re: Top is in
« Reply #699 on: September 12, 2017, 08:18:09 AM »
I have lost track.  Is this a new top?  Or does it need to break out by the dead cat bounce percentage or something like that?

Is it a new top every day it's higher, or is today just a continuation of yesterday's top?

S&P 500 closing in on 2500.