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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3800 on: November 11, 2018, 04:57:15 AM »
I started investing for retirement midyear and both my 401k and HSA have negative returns. Can confirm top is in.


You're just a pup. Be patient.

LOL - I was skimming kinda fast and read the above as:

You're just a pup. Be sentient.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3801 on: November 12, 2018, 09:55:43 AM »

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3802 on: November 12, 2018, 10:32:53 AM »

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3803 on: November 12, 2018, 10:50:15 AM »

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3804 on: November 12, 2018, 10:58:53 AM »
Gosh you think that markets pulling back is.. wait for it... NORMAL?..:)

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3805 on: November 12, 2018, 10:59:33 AM »
How do I delete this thread?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3806 on: November 12, 2018, 11:14:14 AM »
UH, did you read the most recent piece?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3807 on: November 12, 2018, 11:34:07 AM »
How do I delete this thread?

Hack into the mainframe.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3808 on: November 12, 2018, 11:37:06 AM »
paging COBOL programmers!

There should be tons from the massive layoff last week.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3809 on: November 12, 2018, 12:08:58 PM »
UH, did you read the most recent piece?

started to. he could have done a copy and paste from any of his articles from the last 9 years. all says the same.

his hedge fund needs a 50% crash to get the returns back to what would then be the new average.

you can't doubt his smarts or his thought process. Its erudite and well evaluated.
His timing stinks though. has done forever. He has no crystal ball. He''ll be right eventually (maybe not to the 2/3rds price crash) but it could be another 15 or 20 years.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3810 on: November 12, 2018, 12:12:38 PM »
I think I missed the top :-D

How was it?

Btw and to be honest: I think this might be a bear market without a major recession. I think it's ok if valuations come down, especially for someone at the beginning of his investment "career" like me. I mean, it looks bad on my monthly statement now, but it has no practical implications.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3811 on: November 12, 2018, 02:07:19 PM »
I think I missed the top :-D

How was it?

Btw and to be honest: I think this might be a bear market without a major recession. I think it's ok if valuations come down, especially for someone at the beginning of his investment "career" like me. I mean, it looks bad on my monthly statement now, but it has no practical implications.

Just wait for when this happens at the start of your retirement like me!... You won't be smiling then! Except you will cus you'll have north of $4M and can look back and say "thank God I stayed in the market and didn't pull out when a scary article showed up"..:)

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3812 on: November 12, 2018, 06:07:53 PM »
I'm just wondering, at this point, what the 'this isn't the top' adherents are thinking?  Earnings are going to keep going up because tax cuts were just the tip of the iceberg?  I dunno, I can't think of much.  Markets just always go up?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3813 on: November 12, 2018, 06:22:07 PM »
Santa Top is not yet in!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3814 on: November 12, 2018, 07:35:39 PM »
I'm just wondering, at this point, what the 'this isn't the top' adherents are thinking?  Earnings are going to keep going up because tax cuts were just the tip of the iceberg?  I dunno, I can't think of much.  Markets just always go up?

I don't know any "this isn't the top" adherents, and as for me, I'm a strict "I couldn't tell you if this is the top, and even if I could I wouldn't know the bottom so I'll just ride it out" adherent.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3815 on: November 12, 2018, 07:40:31 PM »
I'm just wondering, at this point, what the 'this isn't the top' adherents are thinking?  Earnings are going to keep going up because tax cuts were just the tip of the iceberg?  I dunno, I can't think of much.  Markets just always go up?

I think you're mistaken.  Everyone here knows the top is in. 


In all seriousness, if you want to have a discussion on this just create a new thread.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3816 on: November 13, 2018, 04:15:49 AM »
I'm just wondering, at this point, what the 'this isn't the top' adherents are thinking?  Earnings are going to keep going up because tax cuts were just the tip of the iceberg?  I dunno, I can't think of much.  Markets just always go up?

I think you're mistaken.  Everyone here knows the top is in. 
In all seriousness, if you want to have a discussion on this just create a new thread.

Thanks for clearing it up, now I'm back in the club.  Top is definitely in, cheers!  Will just practice my expert lurking skills going forward...

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3817 on: November 13, 2018, 06:09:33 AM »
I'm just wondering, at this point, what the 'this isn't the top' adherents are thinking?  Earnings are going to keep going up because tax cuts were just the tip of the iceberg?  I dunno, I can't think of much.  Markets just always go up?

I think you're mistaken.  Everyone here knows the top is in. 
In all seriousness, if you want to have a discussion on this just create a new thread.

Thanks for clearing it up, now I'm back in the club.  Top is definitely in, cheers!  Will just practice my expert lurking skills going forward...
I'll go ahead and treat this like a real discussion.  I don't know if the top is in.  We could easily bounce around in the "near correction" zone for a few months or longer before we really have any idea.  I don't think it's unreasonable to think this is it, but right now, the volatility hasn't been going on that long.  The end of (and most of) 2015 looked this bad, but the top wasn't in.  Top might be in, Top might still be a ways off.

Top is in

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3818 on: November 13, 2018, 12:01:27 PM »
the only thing we have to Top is Top itself. Top is in.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3819 on: November 13, 2018, 12:07:41 PM »
It is not the critic who counts; not the Top who points out how the strong Top stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the Top who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if Top fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that Top place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3820 on: November 13, 2018, 12:39:49 PM »
I think I missed the top :-D

How was it?

Btw and to be honest: I think this might be a bear market without a major recession. I think it's ok if valuations come down, especially for someone at the beginning of his investment "career" like me. I mean, it looks bad on my monthly statement now, but it has no practical implications.

Just wait for when this happens at the start of your retirement like me!... You won't be smiling then! Except you will cus you'll have north of $4M and can look back and say "thank God I stayed in the market and didn't pull out when a scary article showed up"..:)

Ha! By then I will have several Bitcoins, just in case this FIAT money conspiracy blows up :-D Like, 5 Bitcoins, at least!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3821 on: November 13, 2018, 12:50:56 PM »
I think I missed the top :-D

How was it?

Btw and to be honest: I think this might be a bear market without a major recession. I think it's ok if valuations come down, especially for someone at the beginning of his investment "career" like me. I mean, it looks bad on my monthly statement now, but it has no practical implications.

Just wait for when this happens at the start of your retirement like me!... You won't be smiling then! Except you will cus you'll have north of $4M and can look back and say "thank God I stayed in the market and didn't pull out when a scary article showed up"..:)

Ha! By then I will have several Bitcoins, just in case this FIAT money conspiracy blows up :-D Like, 5 Bitcoins, at least!

Well, I think it's pretty clear that at least Bitcoin top isn't in. :D

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3822 on: November 13, 2018, 01:31:29 PM »
Let us go then, The Top and I,
When the evening is spread out against the sky
Like a patient etherized upon a table;


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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3823 on: November 13, 2018, 04:35:12 PM »
Let us go then, The Top and I,
When the evening is spread out against the sky
Like a patient etherized upon a table;
Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets,
The muttering retreats
Of restless Tops in one-night cheap hotels
And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells:
Streets that follow like a tedious argument
Of insidious intent
To lead you to an overwhelming question ...
Oh, do not ask, "What is the Top?"
Let us go and make our stop.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3824 on: November 14, 2018, 12:06:25 AM »
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
Thorstach cannot hear the market
Things fall apart, the top cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon Wall Street,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are fully invested in bitcoin.


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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3825 on: November 14, 2018, 04:44:34 AM »
Cast a cold eye
On top, on bottom.
Horseman, pass by!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3826 on: November 14, 2018, 10:05:19 AM »
This might be my new favorite thread

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3827 on: November 14, 2018, 11:38:07 AM »
This might be my new favorite thread

Your thread top is in?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3828 on: November 14, 2018, 12:07:00 PM »
This might be my new favorite thread

Your thread top is in?
Does this mean it is all down hill from here?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3829 on: November 14, 2018, 02:45:46 PM »
O for a Top of fire, that would ascend
The brightest heaven of investment,
Wall Street for a stage, cats to bounce
And monarchs to behold the falling stock!
Then should the bearlike Thorstach, like himself,
Assume the port of Mars; and at his heels,
Leash'd in like hounds, should panic, loss and FIRE failure
Crouch for employment.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3830 on: November 14, 2018, 03:52:41 PM »
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
Thorstach cannot hear the market
Things fall apart, the top cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon Wall Street,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are fully invested in bitcoin.

Probably the most a propos...  nod to Yeats and wintergreen

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3831 on: November 14, 2018, 08:13:58 PM »
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
Thorstach cannot hear the market
Things fall apart, the top cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon Wall Street,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are fully invested in bitcoin.

Probably the most a propos...  nod to Yeats and wintergreen
You mean, apologies to Yeats and Wintergreen :)

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3832 on: November 14, 2018, 08:38:36 PM »
SPY top is in. BTC bottom is in.

BTC bottom was not in!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3833 on: November 15, 2018, 04:06:53 AM »
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
Thorstach cannot hear the market
Things fall apart, the top cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon Wall Street,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are fully invested in bitcoin.

Probably the most a propos...  nod to Yeats and wintergreen
You mean, apologies to Yeats and Wintergreen :)

Indeed, Yeats would probably go all World Wrestling Federation on Wintergreen :)

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3834 on: November 15, 2018, 10:35:11 AM »
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
Thorstach cannot hear the market
Things fall apart, the top cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon Wall Street,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are fully invested in bitcoin.

Probably the most a propos...  nod to Yeats and wintergreen
You mean, apologies to Yeats and Wintergreen :)

Indeed, Yeats would probably go all World Wrestling Federation on Wintergreen :)

Poetry slam top is in?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3835 on: November 15, 2018, 12:05:08 PM »
Falling like red leaves
Stocks descend forevermore
Now the top is in

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3836 on: November 15, 2018, 12:41:14 PM »
Let us go then, The Top and I,
When the evening is spread out against the sky
Like a patient etherized upon a table;
Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets,
The muttering retreats
Of restless Tops in one-night cheap hotels
And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells:
Streets that follow like a tedious argument
Of insidious intent
To lead you to an overwhelming question ...
Oh, do not ask, "What is the Top?"
Let us go and make our stop.

Who could have predicted that T.S. Eliot would show up in THIS thread?? I tip my "top hat" to you both!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3837 on: November 15, 2018, 05:37:32 PM »
I fear we're neglecting poor Ezra.


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See, the Tops return; ah, see the tentative
Movements, and the slow feet,
The trouble in the pace and the uncertain
Wavering!


See, the Tops return, one, and by one,
With fear, as half-awakened;
And murmur in the wind
   and half turn back;
These were the "Wing'd-with-Awe,"
   inviolable.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3838 on: November 15, 2018, 08:49:30 PM »
They, looking back, all the bullish signs beheld
Of Wall Street, so late their happy seat,
Waved over by that flaming brand, the top
With dreadful stocks thronged and fiery bonds:
Some natural tears they dropped, but wiped them soon;
The world was all before them, where to choose
Their place of FIRE, and Thorstach their guide;
They, hand in hand, with wandering steps and slow,
Through this thread took their solitary way.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3839 on: November 15, 2018, 11:07:26 PM »
And, as in uffish thought he stood,
      The MarketTop, with charts of flame,
Came whiffling through the Thorstach wood,
      And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
      The shortsell blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
      He went galumphing back.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3840 on: November 16, 2018, 05:32:21 AM »
“Forward, the ‘Top is in’ thread!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the FIREee knew
   Thorstach had blundered.
   Theirs not to make reply,
   Theirs not to reason why,
   Theirs but to do and die.
   Into the valley of the Top
   Riding the Dow twenty-five six hundred.


(Apologies to Tennyson and poets everywhere.)

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3841 on: November 16, 2018, 06:38:47 AM »
Definitely a top-notch group of poetic talent!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3842 on: November 16, 2018, 07:21:59 AM »


"yawp" the Top is in!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3843 on: November 16, 2018, 10:41:53 AM »
With apologies to the Bard:


To market time, or not to time, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in thorstach's mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous volatility,
Or to take arms against a sea of tops
And by opposing end them. To crash—to bottom,
No more tops; and by yielding to fear to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand financial shocks
That passive investing is heir to: 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be VIXed. To time, to crash;
To crash, perchance to bounce—ay, there's the dead cat:
For after that dead cat bounce what bottoms may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal top,
Must give us pause—there's the fear
That makes calamity of one's FIRE plans.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3844 on: November 16, 2018, 05:10:30 PM »


"yawp" the Top is in!

Ooh! The world needs more yawping.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3845 on: November 16, 2018, 08:02:50 PM »
Actual screen grab from my 401k page.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3846 on: November 16, 2018, 09:13:20 PM »
My tears are like the quiet drift
Of petals falling as the market rose;
And all my grief flows from the rift
Of unremembered skies and thorstache posts.

I think, that if I touched the top,
It would crumble;
It is so sad and beautiful,
So tremulously like a dream.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3847 on: November 16, 2018, 09:24:34 PM »
Top: do not go gentle into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3848 on: November 17, 2018, 03:02:40 PM »

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #3849 on: November 17, 2018, 10:56:02 PM »
I thank my fortune for it
My ventures are not in one bottom trusted
Nor to one place; nor is my whole estate
Upon the fortune of this present year
Therefore the top makes me not sad