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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2900 on: May 09, 2018, 12:14:24 PM »
EVERYONE RELAX... I am in the green again.
I think we all know what this means...

Top is in

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2901 on: May 09, 2018, 12:41:56 PM »


Green Top is in!
« Last Edit: May 09, 2018, 12:50:49 PM by techwiz »

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« Reply #2902 on: May 09, 2018, 01:11:12 PM »
Green like positive return on investment, green?  Or green like you just got so angry you turned into the Hulk and threw a desk out the window, green?  :)

Investment!


Why'd you even look?

Because one must do... what one does!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2903 on: May 09, 2018, 01:19:18 PM »
EVERYONE RELAX... I am in the green again.
I think we all know what this means...

Top is in

I love this thread

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2904 on: May 09, 2018, 01:33:14 PM »
EVERYONE RELAX... I am in the green again.
I think we all know what this means...

Top is in

I love this thread
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2905 on: May 09, 2018, 02:13:05 PM »

Top is in

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« Reply #2906 on: May 09, 2018, 02:56:30 PM »

Top is in
Ooh, I was having trouble with moving and italics.  Nicely done!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2907 on: May 09, 2018, 05:02:29 PM »
I love this thread, it's like watching a CNN ticker of nonsense.

The scrolling text reminded me of this gem from page 1

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2908 on: May 09, 2018, 07:55:09 PM »
EVERYONE RELAX... I am in the green again.


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« Reply #2909 on: May 10, 2018, 05:40:31 AM »

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« Reply #2910 on: May 10, 2018, 07:51:37 AM »
I love this thread, it's like watching a CNN ticker of nonsense.

The scrolling text reminded me of this gem from page 1

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2911 on: May 10, 2018, 08:08:53 AM »
I maintain my previous empirical observation that threads like this thrive on poorly timed market calls; however they wither when someone comes along and nail the top and the bottom in quick succession as evidenced by the lull we had witnessed between Mar 2nd to Mar 6th.

We all love to pile on people that f%^& up but feel inadequate and uncomfortable in the presence of something beyond comprehension and divine.

Who called a top on Mar 2nd and a bottom on Mar 6th?
I just scrolled back through the thread and couldn't find anything like that.

EDITED TO ADD:
Also, it looks like the market went up between Mar 2 and Mar 6, so if anyone did in fact call a top and then bottom they would have been wrong.  I assume I completely misunderstood what you meant.


Hi Mr.D
I am afraid of further jinxing, but hopefully all will be revealed, in time :)
fingers crossed.

It's been two months since that post now... so...how much more time do we need for all to be revealed?

Granted, calling something after it happens doesn't really take much insight.

I mean, I knew back at the start of March that the S&P would dip down a bit just to climb back up to spitting distance of where it was 2 months ago today, but I didn't want to jinx it by making the claim publicly beforehand.  Now that the danger of any jinxing has passed I can safely let you all in on my insights, however.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2912 on: May 10, 2018, 08:56:39 AM »
Fear is back, VIX above 15, XIV breaking down. SPY to follow, earnings will be a reality check.

Fear is back, VIX above 15, XIV breaking down. SPY to follow, earnings will be a reality check.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2913 on: May 10, 2018, 10:03:52 AM »
Somehow, my investment accounts have magically recovered all of their February losses, and my spreadsheet is showing new record highs day after day.  This correction doesn't feel nearly as threatening as I thought it would.

As it turns out, being a buyer during a downturn is pretty profitable.  Vive la top.

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« Reply #2914 on: May 10, 2018, 10:15:28 AM »
Somehow, my investment accounts have magically recovered all of their February losses, and my spreadsheet is showing new record highs day after day.  This correction doesn't feel nearly as threatening as I thought it would.

As it turns out, being a buyer during a downturn is pretty profitable.  Vive la top.
Sol, you are probably reading the chart wrong.  Cross conventional charts with a negative Y axis demonstrate that gains are impossible.  Only one fact remains.  Top is in... top is always in.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2915 on: May 10, 2018, 10:24:39 AM »
Somehow, my investment accounts have magically recovered all of their February losses, and my spreadsheet is showing new record highs day after day.  This correction doesn't feel nearly as threatening as I thought it would.

As it turns out, being a buyer during a downturn is pretty profitable.  Vive la top.

Incorrect.  You did not have February losses!

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« Reply #2916 on: May 10, 2018, 10:43:46 AM »
Somehow, my investment accounts have magically recovered all of their February losses, and my spreadsheet is showing new record highs day after day.  This correction doesn't feel nearly as threatening as I thought it would.

As it turns out, being a buyer during a downturn is pretty profitable.  Vive la top.

Incorrect.  You did not have February losses!

The imaginary portion of my investment account is at all time highs.

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« Reply #2917 on: May 10, 2018, 10:50:26 AM »
Incorrect.  You did not have February losses!

If I didn't have losses, then I haven't had gains either.  It's all paper funny money until you spend it.

In a way, virtually every penny I've ever invested has had 100% losses.  I put real money in, and got nothing back out.  I could have spent that money on real economic activity, but instead I gave it to vanguard or similar, and they gave it to someone who was selling.  That person made money, and I lost money.  And all I have to show for my losses is an arbitrary and ever growing tally of shares in a computer server somewhere, and the hope that I can someday trade those shares for real money.

Suddenly bitcoin seems a little less stupid, right?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2918 on: May 10, 2018, 10:54:40 AM »
We all had February losses. We have losses every day from now on, because Top is in.

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« Reply #2919 on: May 10, 2018, 10:57:14 AM »
Incorrect.  You did not have February losses!

If I didn't have losses, then I haven't had gains either.  It's all paper funny money until you spend it.

In a way, virtually every penny I've ever invested has had 100% losses.  I put real money in, and got nothing back out.  I could have spent that money on real economic activity, but instead I gave it to vanguard or similar, and they gave it to someone who was selling.  That person made money, and I lost money.  And all I have to show for my losses is an arbitrary and ever growing tally of shares in a computer server somewhere, and the hope that I can someday trade those shares for real money.

Suddenly bitcoin seems a little less stupid, right?

You can point at expansions in companies you own shares in, and say that .00000001% of that money came from you, and they will be giving you back the profits from that.
Bitcoin....no idea. You bought a currency.

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« Reply #2920 on: May 10, 2018, 11:05:03 AM »
You can point at expansions in companies you own shares in, and say that .00000001% of that money came from you, and they will be giving you back the profits from that.
Bitcoin....no idea. You bought a currency.

None of that money came from me!  It came from distant past investor who bought at the IPO, or at a new stock issue.  I bought my shares from another investor, not from a company.  My capital didn't flow to a corporation, it flowed to a person, and before that his capital flowed to another person.  It's all a shell game.  We're just buying from eachother the rights to a tiny sliver of profits, but since I'm reinvesting dividends I don't even get that.

I have never purchased a cryptocurrency.  Don't be ridiculous.

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« Reply #2921 on: May 10, 2018, 11:22:13 AM »
You can point at expansions in companies you own shares in, and say that .00000001% of that money came from you, and they will be giving you back the profits from that.
Bitcoin....no idea. You bought a currency.


I have never purchased a cryptocurrency.  Don't be ridiculous.
Fair enough! (Unless it's like Tesla, and putting out more shares)
The "you" was the buyer of cryptocurrency. I know you're fully invested in the production and sales of Vitamix.

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« Reply #2922 on: May 10, 2018, 11:28:49 AM »
Incorrect.  You did not have February losses!

If I didn't have losses, then I haven't had gains either.  It's all paper funny money until you spend it.

In a way, virtually every penny I've ever invested has had 100% losses.  I put real money in, and got nothing back out.  I could have spent that money on real economic activity, but instead I gave it to vanguard or similar, and they gave it to someone who was selling.  That person made money, and I lost money.  And all I have to show for my losses is an arbitrary and ever growing tally of shares in a computer server somewhere, and the hope that I can someday trade those shares for real money.

Suddenly bitcoin seems a little less stupid, right?

If you want to get all nitpicky technical, isn't "real money" a contradiction?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2923 on: May 10, 2018, 11:29:00 AM »

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« Reply #2924 on: May 10, 2018, 11:34:26 AM »
"You don't need to see his February losses."
"We don't need to see his February losses."

"He can go about his business."
"You can go about your business."

"Top is in."
"Top is in, top is in."

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2925 on: May 10, 2018, 11:46:27 AM »
If I didn't have losses, then I haven't had gains either.  It's all paper funny money until you spend it.

Technically you had dividends, that you probably (and smartly) reinvested, so I wouldn't say you didn't get paid _any_thing.

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« Reply #2926 on: May 10, 2018, 09:48:35 PM »
If I didn't have losses, then I haven't had gains either.  It's all paper funny money until you spend it.

Technically you had dividends, that you probably (and smartly) reinvested, so I wouldn't say you didn't get paid _any_thing.

No, in sol's thought experiment any money that is not spent on real economic activity cannot be counted as a gain or loss. So dividends reinvested are just more paper* funny money that eventually cost you real money in the form of taxes.

*Paradoxically in this thought experiment paper is never actually paper these days, while real money is still sometimes paper (and sometimes Beanie Babies).




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« Reply #2927 on: May 10, 2018, 11:16:05 PM »
You can point at expansions in companies you own shares in, and say that .00000001% of that money came from you, and they will be giving you back the profits from that.
Bitcoin....no idea. You bought a currency.

None of that money came from me!  It came from distant past investor who bought at the IPO, or at a new stock issue.  I bought my shares from another investor, not from a company.  My capital didn't flow to a corporation, it flowed to a person, and before that his capital flowed to another person.  It's all a shell game.  We're just buying from eachother the rights to a tiny sliver of profits, but since I'm reinvesting dividends I don't even get that.

I have never purchased a cryptocurrency.  Don't be ridiculous.

Donít companies occasionally sell reserved shares to raise capital?  Is this only done through intermediaries and not on the open market?

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« Reply #2928 on: May 11, 2018, 06:27:35 AM »
"You don't need to see his February losses."
"We don't need to see his February losses."

"He can go about his business."
"You can go about your business."

"Top is in."
"Top is in, top is in."
This is not the top you're looking for.

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« Reply #2929 on: May 11, 2018, 06:36:10 AM »
You can point at expansions in companies you own shares in, and say that .00000001% of that money came from you, and they will be giving you back the profits from that.
Bitcoin....no idea. You bought a currency.

None of that money came from me!  It came from distant past investor who bought at the IPO, or at a new stock issue.  I bought my shares from another investor, not from a company.  My capital didn't flow to a corporation, it flowed to a person, and before that his capital flowed to another person.  It's all a shell game.  We're just buying from eachother the rights to a tiny sliver of profits, but since I'm reinvesting dividends I don't even get that.

I have never purchased a cryptocurrency.  Don't be ridiculous.

Donít companies occasionally sell reserved shares to raise capital?  Is this only done through intermediaries and not on the open market?

You can also google Junk bonds. (or non-junk ones, but I prefer those for the example of companies needing money bad.)

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« Reply #2930 on: May 11, 2018, 07:06:48 AM »
"You don't need to see his February losses."
"We don't need to see his February losses."

"He can go about his business."
"You can go about your business."

"Top is in."
"Top is in, top is in."
This is not the top you're looking for.

Found it!

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« Reply #2931 on: May 11, 2018, 06:01:43 PM »
EVERYONE RELAX... I am in the green again.


The  Angry Green Top is in!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2932 on: May 12, 2018, 02:16:52 PM »
Guys Iím really worried my investments havenít gone up at all today.

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« Reply #2933 on: May 12, 2018, 02:46:48 PM »
Guys Iím really worried my investments havenít gone up at all today.

Me too!   I'm losing 3.1%/365.25 to inflation today!   And on Sunday too!   Panic!   The Top is In!

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« Reply #2934 on: May 12, 2018, 05:53:35 PM »
Guys Iím really worried my investments havenít gone up at all today.

Me too!   I'm losing 3.1%/365.25 to inflation today!   And on Sunday too!   Panic!   The Top is In!

Sunday?  It's Saturday.  You must be one of those out of touch early retired folks that doesn't even have to keep up with the day of the week any more :P
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2935 on: May 12, 2018, 08:05:39 PM »
Guys Iím really worried my investments havenít gone up at all today.

Me too!   I'm losing 3.1%/365.25 to inflation today!   And on Sunday too!   Panic!   The Top is In!

Sunday?  It's Saturday.  You must be one of those out of touch early retired folks that doesn't even have to keep up with the day of the week any more :P

No, no, you've got it all wrong!    I'm bewailing my inflation loss for today and ANTICIPATING my inflation loss for tomorrow.   :)


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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2936 on: May 12, 2018, 08:35:46 PM »
Guys Iím really worried my investments havenít gone up at all today.

Me too!   I'm losing 3.1%/365.25 to inflation today!   And on Sunday too!   Panic!   The Top is In!

Sunday?  It's Saturday.  You must be one of those out of touch early retired folks that doesn't even have to keep up with the day of the week any more :P

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« Reply #2937 on: May 13, 2018, 10:54:08 AM »

If I didn't have losses, then I haven't had gains either.  It's all paper funny money until you spend it.

In a way, virtually every penny I've ever invested has had 100% losses.  I put real money in, and got nothing back out.  I could have spent that money on real economic activity, but instead I gave it to vanguard or similar, and they gave it to someone who was selling.  That person made money, and I lost money.  And all I have to show for my losses is an arbitrary and ever growing tally of shares in a computer server somewhere, and the hope that I can someday trade those shares for real money.

Suddenly bitcoin seems a little less stupid, right?

Haha, very funny from @sol.  But also very profound.


*Paradoxically in this thought experiment paper is never actually paper these days, while real money is still sometimes paper (and sometimes Beanie Babies).

Also funny but profound, @aspiringnomad

The pattern is clear.  Funny but profound top is IN!!!!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2938 on: May 13, 2018, 01:33:22 PM »
Guys Iím really worried my investments havenít gone up at all today.

Me too!   I'm losing 3.1%/365.25 to inflation today!   And on Sunday too!   Panic!   The Top is In!

Sunday?  It's Saturday.  You must be one of those out of touch early retired folks that doesn't even have to keep up with the day of the week any more :P

No, no, you've got it all wrong!    I'm bewailing my inflation loss for today and ANTICIPATING my inflation loss for tomorrow.   :)

When we get to pre-war Germany levels of inflation I'll start worrying about my inflation loss over a weekend, until then, TOP IS IN!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2939 on: May 16, 2018, 01:48:14 PM »

Just checking is the "Top In?"


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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2940 on: May 16, 2018, 02:34:11 PM »
Just checking is the "Top In?"

I thought it was your turn to watch him?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2941 on: May 16, 2018, 03:01:03 PM »
Just checking is the "Top In?"

I thought it was your turn to watch him?

Nobody was watching him?  TOP ON THE LOOSE

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2942 on: May 16, 2018, 05:01:35 PM »
Just checking is the "Top In?"

I thought it was your turn to watch him?

Nobody was watching him?  TOP ON THE LOOSE


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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2943 on: May 18, 2018, 12:45:05 PM »
Where in the world is the TOP?



The Top just keeps going and going....