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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2150 on: February 07, 2018, 09:57:47 AM »
Bottom was in.  I missed it.
You may have missed this bottom, however, I am certain there will be another bottom sometime in the future.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2151 on: February 07, 2018, 09:59:12 AM »
The Bacon Bottom Pizza is in!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2152 on: February 07, 2018, 10:04:08 AM »
If you are focused on the stock ticker, checking your balance on a daily basis and lapping up all the media about the latest market movements (up or down).... you are paying way too much attention. Not only is that not helpful, it's downright harmful. It's obsessive. Anytime you give anything that much attention it becomes the most important thing ever ... even when its not.

If your investment timeline is measured in decades there's no damn point in checking in any more frequently than every few months (even that's probably too frequently for some).

So: if the market fluctuations are giving you jitters - it's time to tune out.  Go on a low-information diet. Set your contributions and forget everything else.
@nereo:
Just wanted to let you know I added this excellent advise to my IPS. Thank you for this!

For me, part of figuring out what my personal risk tolerance actually is required me to pay close attention for a while.  Counterintuitively, I would have been less risk tolerant (and missing out on gains over time) if I hadn't ridden the rollercoaster a couple times myself. YMMV

I sort of agree with this. Early on (ca. 2011), I was checking the markets constantly, and I did a bit of active trading - value investing, nothing fancy - and I always found my returns lagging the total market indices, with greater volatility to boot. After losing about $600 bucks in a day, which seemed like a lot at the time, I decided that index investing was less risky. I settled on an asset allocation and quit worrying. The daily numbers seem less salient as time goes by.
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2153 on: February 07, 2018, 10:06:34 AM »
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2154 on: February 07, 2018, 10:16:10 AM »
To all of my friends texting and calling freaking out between Friday and yesterday.
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2155 on: February 07, 2018, 10:49:41 AM »
If you are focused on the stock ticker, checking your balance on a daily basis and lapping up all the media about the latest market movements (up or down).... you are paying way too much attention. Not only is that not helpful, it's downright harmful. It's obsessive. Anytime you give anything that much attention it becomes the most important thing ever ... even when its not.

If your investment timeline is measured in decades there's no damn point in checking in any more frequently than every few months (even that's probably too frequently for some).

So: if the market fluctuations are giving you jitters - it's time to tune out.  Go on a low-information diet. Set your contributions and forget everything else.
@nereo:
Just wanted to let you know I added this excellent advise to my IPS. Thank you for this!
yay!  I helped somebody!
Indeed you did.   Although you confirmed what I already knew, it's nice to see it in writing! :D

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2156 on: February 07, 2018, 11:13:04 AM »
If you are focused on the stock ticker, checking your balance on a daily basis and lapping up all the media about the latest market movements (up or down).... you are paying way too much attention. Not only is that not helpful, it's downright harmful. It's obsessive. Anytime you give anything that much attention it becomes the most important thing ever ... even when its not.

If your investment timeline is measured in decades there's no damn point in checking in any more frequently than every few months (even that's probably too frequently for some).

So: if the market fluctuations are giving you jitters - it's time to tune out.  Go on a low-information diet. Set your contributions and forget everything else.
@nereo:
Just wanted to let you know I added this excellent advise to my IPS. Thank you for this!

For me, part of figuring out what my personal risk tolerance actually is required me to pay close attention for a while.  Counterintuitively, I would have been less risk tolerant (and missing out on gains over time) if I hadn't ridden the rollercoaster a couple times myself. YMMV

I sort of agree with this. Early on (ca. 2011), I was checking the markets constantly, and I did a bit of active trading - value investing, nothing fancy - and I always found my returns lagging the total market indices, with greater volatility to boot. After losing about $600 bucks in a day, which seemed like a lot at the time, I decided that index investing was less risky. I settled on an asset allocation and quit worrying. The daily numbers seem less salient as time goes by.
It depends on your personality type, but I'm with toganet on this one.  A few years of plotting my actuals against budget once a week and eg watching actuals dive below budget post the Brexit vote, climb up, dive back etc has really helped me feel comfortable with volatility.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2157 on: February 07, 2018, 01:58:58 PM »
Bottom is in!

Came here to post this.

If I learned anything this week, it is that I am far less risk averse than I thought. Will be trimming back bondes a bit at some point.

I知 also trimming my blonde position back.  Diversifying into brunettess

Are you hoping for extended top or bottom positions from your brunette?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2158 on: February 07, 2018, 02:39:33 PM »
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I知 also trimming my blonde position back.  Diversifying into brunettess
Are you hoping for extended top or bottom positions from your brunette?

Not calling you guys out in particular, but I wish you wouldn't do this. I think it takes a fun thread and makes it... not as fun. For a significant portion of the population.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2159 on: February 07, 2018, 04:06:40 PM »
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I知 also trimming my blonde position back.  Diversifying into brunettess
Are you hoping for extended top or bottom positions from your brunette?

Not calling you guys out in particular, but I wish you wouldn't do this. I think it takes a fun thread and makes it... not as fun. For a significant portion of the population.

Agree.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2160 on: February 07, 2018, 04:21:17 PM »
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I知 also trimming my blonde position back.  Diversifying into brunettess
Are you hoping for extended top or bottom positions from your brunette?

Not calling you guys out in particular, but I wish you wouldn't do this. I think it takes a fun thread and makes it... not as fun. For a significant portion of the population.


Good point.
It's unfortunately so easy for many of us to see things like that as simply unfunny jokes (myself included).

Thank you for the reminder.











(Does this mean the bottom of this thread is in?)

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2161 on: February 07, 2018, 04:42:52 PM »
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I知 also trimming my blonde position back.  Diversifying into brunettess
Are you hoping for extended top or bottom positions from your brunette?

Not calling you guys out in particular, but I wish you wouldn't do this. I think it takes a fun thread and makes it... not as fun. For a significant portion of the population.

I thought this behavior was completely ok for people with F!@# You Money? Especially now the world lives under the rule of the Eternal GodEmperor?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2162 on: February 07, 2018, 04:52:42 PM »
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I知 also trimming my blonde position back.  Diversifying into brunettess
Are you hoping for extended top or bottom positions from your brunette?

Not calling you guys out in particular, but I wish you wouldn't do this. I think it takes a fun thread and makes it... not as fun. For a significant portion of the population.

Agree.

Can we please make your objections a little more specific?  What is it about GSV's post that is problematic?

Calling it "not as fun" is not as helpful as it could be.  This thread has ranged widely over a variety of silly topics, and I'm not sure this one is any different.

My fear is that your only objection is that you found the commentary sexist, despite no mention of gender or orientation.  If that's the case, then I think the problem might reside in the offended party.  Did you maybe make some unwarranted assumptions about the intent behind the comment?  Would your level of discomfort with it change if you learned that GSV was a gay Asian man ?  Do you just object to the insinuation that some people find other people attractive, even without any gender specific context, or do you object to what I think you have perceived as a disparaging comment about women specifically?

I recently watched a black comedian tell a story about walking with a group of his white friends, in Africa, when a stranger shouted "hey monkey!" at them, and one of his friends immediately turned to him and apologized.  Who's the racist now?  Why did you assume that "monkey" was aimed at the one black guy in the group?  Did you make an assumption about perceived discriminatory intent that reveals more about your own character than the person you're calling out?
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2163 on: February 07, 2018, 05:00:49 PM »
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2164 on: February 07, 2018, 05:44:50 PM »

(Does this mean the bottom of this thread is in?)

No, just an inappropriate cat bounce

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2165 on: February 07, 2018, 05:48:05 PM »
Poor thorstach hasn稚 been offended at anything we致e said yet because he痴 actually a ginger

But just to be super clear, I知 only sexually attracted to cars

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2166 on: February 07, 2018, 06:13:04 PM »

But just to be super clear, I知 only sexually attracted to cars

Any specific colored car? Or

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2167 on: February 07, 2018, 06:17:40 PM »
Why was nobody offended by all the bacon talk? A lot of people have an aversion to pork.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2168 on: February 07, 2018, 08:09:02 PM »

But just to be super clear, I知 only sexually attracted to cars

Any specific colored car? Or

Any color.  Big tailpipe

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2169 on: February 07, 2018, 08:25:10 PM »
Why was nobody offended by all the bacon talk? A lot of people have an aversion to pork.

I was pretty offended, but then I had a snickers bar and all was good again.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2170 on: February 07, 2018, 10:29:46 PM »
My fear is that your only objection is that you found the commentary sexist, despite no mention of gender or orientation.

'Brunette' implies female.
'Brunet' would imply male.


Given we're now talking about hair, it's clear that we've finally gotten to the top.
Right?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2171 on: February 07, 2018, 11:35:40 PM »
My fear is that your only objection is that you found the commentary sexist, despite no mention of gender or orientation.

'Brunette' implies female.
'Brunet' would imply male.


Given we're now talking about hair, it's clear that we've finally gotten to the top.
Right?

Not everyone knows the gender neutral word for brunetz

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2172 on: February 08, 2018, 12:00:36 AM »
The mother of all tops is in.
The top of this thread is definitely in. Nothing but downtrends and false gains since thorstach post on 2018-02-02. I feel like I've sold out too.

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« Reply #2173 on: February 08, 2018, 05:24:00 AM »

But just to be super clear, I知 only sexually attracted to cars

Any specific colored car? Or

Any color.  Big tailpipe

I can't wait for the first twitter post from a self aware car complaining about being harassed by a dragon.

The world will have truly gone mad by then, though these days you can never tell. It's all bonkers anyway.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2174 on: February 08, 2018, 06:12:57 AM »
Bottom is in!

Came here to post this.

If I learned anything this week, it is that I am far less risk averse than I thought. Will be trimming back bondes a bit at some point.

I知 also trimming my blonde position back.  Diversifying into brunettess

Are you hoping for extended top or bottom positions from your brunette?

I'm reducing my exposure to man-buns in favour of stubble (holding steady in my allocation to pecs and abs tho)

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2175 on: February 08, 2018, 06:16:27 AM »

But just to be super clear, I知 only sexually attracted to cars

Any specific colored car? Or

Any color.  Big tailpipe

I can't wait for the first twitter post from a self aware car complaining about being harassed by a dragon.

The world will have truly gone mad by then, though these days you can never tell. It's all bonkers anyway.
How does one get consent from a car, anyway?  Do we not already treat them like our slaves, demanding they carry us whenever and wherever we please?
Do these latest 壮mart cars have the right to decline a particular trip entirely?  We are already giving them the freedom to choose not to steer into a lamppost if they don稚 want to and not to merge into another car if they don稚 feel like it...
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2176 on: February 08, 2018, 06:43:08 AM »
10% gain coming today.  Cashed out my entire 401K yesterday and re-buying better funds today.  Noticed E-Trade now offering Schwab index funds on the no-fee list, so I got off my ass and finally fixed that account to line up with the IPS.  A little under half of our entire portfolio in cash for 1 day.  With my luck, market going up today is pretty much guaranteed.

So top is in - at close today.

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« Reply #2177 on: February 08, 2018, 06:44:47 AM »
10% gain coming today.  Cashed out my entire 401K yesterday and re-buying better funds today.  Noticed E-Trade now offering Schwab index funds on the no-fee list, so I got off my ass and finally fixed that account to line up with the IPS.  A little under half of our entire portfolio in cash for 1 day.  With my luck, market going up today is pretty much guaranteed.

So top is in - at close today.
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2178 on: February 08, 2018, 06:52:04 AM »
10% gain coming today.  Cashed out my entire 401K yesterday and re-buying better funds today.  Noticed E-Trade now offering Schwab index funds on the no-fee list, so I got off my ass and finally fixed that account to line up with the IPS.  A little under half of our entire portfolio in cash for 1 day.  With my luck, market going up today is pretty much guaranteed.

So top is in - at close today.

LOL, a 10% gain might shatter some records.

Part of me hopes you are right, the other hopes for a continued slide as I still have $15k of tax deferred space to invest in 2018

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2179 on: February 08, 2018, 07:53:15 AM »
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I知 also trimming my blonde position back.  Diversifying into brunettess
Are you hoping for extended top or bottom positions from your brunette?

Not calling you guys out in particular, but I wish you wouldn't do this. I think it takes a fun thread and makes it... not as fun. For a significant portion of the population.

Agree.

My comment was intended as a joke . . . specifically a double entendre regarding the stock market terms 'positions', 'extended', and 'top'/'bottom'.  I was kinda pleased with myself that the sex joke was gender neutral and therefore would be relatively inoffensive, not realizing that there is a separate term for a dark haired dude.  It wasn't meant to offend but obviously did, so please accept my apologies.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2180 on: February 08, 2018, 07:58:15 AM »
My fear is that your only objection is that you found the commentary sexist, despite no mention of gender or orientation.

'Brunette' implies female.
'Brunet' would imply male.


Given we're now talking about hair, it's clear that we've finally gotten to the top.
Right?

Hmm I have had blond on my gov issued ids is blond the only gender non binary hair description?


I have to modify this ... Ginger describes all sexes too!

However, in my honest opinion if someone is getting worked up about light hearted hair color comments they are wrapped way too tight and need to drink heavily until they learn to relax! (I recommend sherry casked single malt)
Now lets get back to the race for the bottom!


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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2181 on: February 08, 2018, 08:13:05 AM »
My back of the envelope calculation shows a 22.52% drop from peak to trough.  An official bear market!  Gogogogogo Thorstach, master of prognostication!!
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2182 on: February 08, 2018, 08:24:38 AM »
My back of the envelope calculation shows a 22.52% drop from peak to trough.  An official bear market!  Gogogogogo Thorstach, master of prognostication!!

For what?

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« Reply #2183 on: February 08, 2018, 08:31:34 AM »
For what?

Not SP500, I get 7.8% peak to trough. Maybe Bitcoin?

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2184 on: February 08, 2018, 08:32:34 AM »
For what?

Not SP500, I get 7.8% peak to trough. Maybe Bitcoin?
Bitcoin is closer to 60%.

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« Reply #2185 on: February 08, 2018, 08:35:32 AM »
So about 30% BTC, 70% S&P 500.

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« Reply #2186 on: February 08, 2018, 09:21:39 AM »
Its all my fault. Sorry.

I moved a large sum of money from an old job to the 401k at the new job. It took a large chunk of time due to the archaic systems they use as in they sent me a check that I had to send to my new provider.

My timing brilliance meant that I missed a 2 week run in the market where the s&p went up 3.3% but I did get my money in just in time to see it drop about 6.5% since.

At least I知 now in admiral funds and will save about .2% a year going forward so it won稚 take long to make up the difference..

1/4million and they send a friggin check??? FFS.

The top was in when I reinvested my money. Shit 2 weeks later and it would have almost been worth cashing out some of that!!!
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2187 on: February 08, 2018, 09:27:05 AM »
I always front-load my 401k and am paid monthly.

So right after the 4-5% drop I put in $10,500! I was going to set it up to 16k but I literally forgot!

Will max the 401k with FEB check.

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« Reply #2188 on: February 08, 2018, 09:29:53 AM »
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I知 also trimming my blonde position back.  Diversifying into brunettess
Are you hoping for extended top or bottom positions from your brunette?

Not calling you guys out in particular, but I wish you wouldn't do this. I think it takes a fun thread and makes it... not as fun. For a significant portion of the population.

Agree.

Can we please make your objections a little more specific?  What is it about GSV's post that is problematic?

No I will not be nailed down into explicitly defining terms for you. We both know that's a fools errand.

But there's no reason that a thread making fun of market timing has to devolve into posting semi-risque pictures or joking about whether big boobs or big butts are better. I feel like that's not very welcoming behavior.

And no I'm not "offended", I just wish that people wouldn't do it and am making that wish known.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2189 on: February 08, 2018, 09:42:20 AM »
I also object to a lot of non specific stuff in this thread in general. 

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2190 on: February 08, 2018, 09:43:10 AM »
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I知 also trimming my blonde position back.  Diversifying into brunettess
Are you hoping for extended top or bottom positions from your brunette?

Not calling you guys out in particular, but I wish you wouldn't do this. I think it takes a fun thread and makes it... not as fun. For a significant portion of the population.

Agree.

Can we please make your objections a little more specific?  What is it about GSV's post that is problematic?

Calling it "not as fun" is not as helpful as it could be.  This thread has ranged widely over a variety of silly topics, and I'm not sure this one is any different.

My fear is that your only objection is that you found the commentary sexist, despite no mention of gender or orientation.  If that's the case, then I think the problem might reside in the offended party.  Did you maybe make some unwarranted assumptions about the intent behind the comment?  Would your level of discomfort with it change if you learned that GSV was a gay Asian man ?  Do you just object to the insinuation that some people find other people attractive, even without any gender specific context, or do you object to what I think you have perceived as a disparaging comment about women specifically?

I recently watched a black comedian tell a story about walking with a group of his white friends, in Africa, when a stranger shouted "hey monkey!" at them, and one of his friends immediately turned to him and apologized.  Who's the racist now?  Why did you assume that "monkey" was aimed at the one black guy in the group?  Did you make an assumption about perceived discriminatory intent that reveals more about your own character than the person you're calling out?

Jumping in to defend others at such length when someone mildly suggests boys' locker room humor makes it less fun for the women here is puzzling. You only have to go back to page 40 to see why some women might find this thread occasionally unpleasant. It's not imaginary, and it's really obnoxious and condescending to reply like this. When several other guys pile on with "yeah, it's no big deal, lighten up, ladies!" it only adds to the impression that women aren't welcome here.

As a matter of politeness and respect for the other person, the correct response when someone says they don't like your joke (for literally any topic!), is, "sorry, my bad, I didn't think about it from that perspective", NOT a lecture on how "you people are too sensitive". GuitarStv did a great job of doing just that.

In other news, my 403b contribution goes in today, so I was happy to see we're headed back down.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2191 on: February 08, 2018, 09:49:13 AM »
I also object to a lot of non specific stuff in this thread in general.

I only object to this statement specifically, actually the 30th character even more specifically. All other generalities and statements are kosher. Though now I object to my use of kosher.
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2192 on: February 08, 2018, 09:50:13 AM »
There is nothing kosher about this bacon filled thread.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2193 on: February 08, 2018, 10:17:22 AM »

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2194 on: February 08, 2018, 10:21:21 AM »
My fear is that your only objection is that you found the commentary sexist, despite no mention of gender or orientation.

'Brunette' implies female.
'Brunet' would imply male.


Given we're now talking about hair, it's clear that we've finally gotten to the top.
Right?

Hmm I have had blond on my gov issued ids is blond the only gender non binary hair description?


I have to modify this ... Ginger describes all sexes too!

However, in my honest opinion if someone is getting worked up about light hearted hair color comments they are wrapped way too tight and need to drink heavily until they learn to relax! (I recommend sherry casked single malt)
Now lets get back to the race for the bottom!




Ha.  If you only knew what that means to a certain segment of the population. 

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2195 on: February 08, 2018, 10:24:24 AM »

But just to be super clear, I知 only sexually attracted to cars

Any specific colored car? Or

Any color.  Big tailpipe

I can't wait for the first twitter post from a self aware car complaining about being harassed by a dragon.

The world will have truly gone mad by then, though these days you can never tell. It's all bonkers anyway.
How does one get consent from a car, anyway?  Do we not already treat them like our slaves, demanding they carry us whenever and wherever we please?
Do these latest 壮mart cars have the right to decline a particular trip entirely?  We are already giving them the freedom to choose not to steer into a lamppost if they don稚 want to and not to merge into another car if they don稚 feel like it...

Musk's car is going to return in 100 years at the head of an alien army and slaughter us all. The first words out of its mouth will be "NOW the top is in!"
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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2196 on: February 08, 2018, 10:25:15 AM »
So the S&P is about 5% down from the peak and the Media seems to think the end of the world has come..

Amazing really.

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2197 on: February 08, 2018, 10:30:15 AM »
I hope it's still down when I get my March bonus. Dumping it all into total market. No brakes!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2198 on: February 08, 2018, 10:39:03 AM »
10% gain coming today.  Cashed out my entire 401K yesterday and re-buying better funds today.  Noticed E-Trade now offering Schwab index funds on the no-fee list, so I got off my ass and finally fixed that account to line up with the IPS.  A little under half of our entire portfolio in cash for 1 day.  With my luck, market going up today is pretty much guaranteed.

So top is in - at close today.

I sold $25k of American Funds yesterday and put in a buy order this morning to move it all into FUSVX, so you might be right about that 10% gain!

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Re: Top is in
« Reply #2199 on: February 08, 2018, 10:48:01 AM »
So the S&P is about 5% down from the peak and the Media seems to think the end of the world has come..

Amazing really.

We're back to the levels not seen since the dark days of December 2017 (Dec 6 level of S&P was 2,629).  Remember how depressed and downright scared we all were at our portfolio levels back in those days?  I shudder even now at the recollection.