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I’m only here to say STONKS

Ok I’ll speculate that this ends by short sellers defaulting on their obligations.  They will get sued by their counterparty and the damages will be neigh impossible to determine but the price won’t continue to go up because it will now be a matter of paying dollars, not shares.  This coming from someone who knows nothing about the deep legal foundations of modern short selling
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I am purely an index investor, I own three index funds..... but I am going to YOLO $200 today for fun, to be a part of this amusing moment in stock market history. If I double my money I will convert into vanguard.


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deep legal foundations of modern short selling

Im sure there’s a statute somewhere that grants Wall St the right to fuck over retail investors without repercussions.

Bless these degenerates. I just hope most of them do in fact cash out in time.

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Apparently many brokerages are blocking the purchase of these meme stocks right now. Can confirm, I tried putting in an order for AMC on Merrill Edge, and it says blocked. But it lets me set a limit sell order for my GME shares. If law or regulations require a pause, why only in one direction? I've been dismissive of the general "they're out to get us" attitude on WSB, but this imbalance that I can personally confirm seems fishy.

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Apparently many brokerages are blocking the purchase of these meme stocks right now. Can confirm, I tried putting in an order for AMC on Merrill Edge, and it says blocked. But it lets me set a limit sell order for my GME shares. If law or regulations require a pause, why only in one direction? I've been dismissive of the general "they're out to get us" attitude on WSB, but this imbalance that I can personally confirm seems fishy.

Yep, here's the news:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/28/robinhood-interactive-brokers-restrict-trading-in-gamestop-s.html

I suspect the brokers are protecting themselves from liability in some way, or perhaps they are not able to guarantee execution from market makers. When these stocks crash, expect a wave of class-action lawsuits against the brokerages for supplying the rope investors used to hang themselves.

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Yeah this blocking on platforms is total horseshit and people should start a class action lawsuit.

it's market manipulation

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Totally f-ing over all the people who were trying to make the "non GME" shorts do the same thing.  I knew deep down there would not be a 2nd opportunity like GME.

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GME dropping like a rock!

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So retail investors in GME are unable to buy using Robinhood and other platforms.  Thus, triggering a(nother) round of "the man is keeping us down" at least on the Reddit boards.  What happens next on a macro level? 

Do many of these investors stop trading stocks and go into something seen as more fair like betting on professional wresting?  (I saw that retail investors had 20% of trades in 2020 as compared to ~10% in 2019).  Does the market then drop significantly because this money is flowing out?   

Does another round of Occupy Wall Street begin?

Do politicians seen as establishment get pressured/primaried/voted out?  Or, does Congress do another of those "hearings" with CEOs of Robinhood and other platforms like they did with Facebook and Twitter?

Other?

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Does another round of Occupy Wall Street begin?

Do politicians seen as establishment get pressured/primaried/voted out?  Or, does Congress do another of those "hearings" with CEOs of Robinhood and other platforms like they did with Facebook and Twitter?

Other?

now it's really time to "stop the steal" and from storming capitol to storming wallstreet   

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So retail investors in GME are unable to buy using Robinhood and other platforms.  Thus, triggering a(nother) round of "the man is keeping us down" at least on the Reddit boards.  What happens next on a macro level? 

Do many of these investors stop trading stocks and go into something seen as more fair like betting on professional wresting?  (I saw that retail investors had 20% of trades in 2020 as compared to ~10% in 2019).  Does the market then drop significantly because this money is flowing out?   

Does another round of Occupy Wall Street begin?

Do politicians seen as establishment get pressured/primaried/voted out?  Or, does Congress do another of those "hearings" with CEOs of Robinhood and other platforms like they did with Facebook and Twitter?

Other?

Time to go long on (pop)corn futures...

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It's unclear to me how this (i mean what retail investors and r/wallstreetbets are doing) is illegal.  They are buying and holding a stock en mass.  How is this any different than mustachians piling into a index fund? Or any one specific stock?  Nothing secretive or fraudulent appears to be going on to me, just normal people piling into a stock for speculative reasons.  All the tv show hosts and analysts crying foul sound like big fucking babies.  "Wah wah retail investors are exploiting a big hedge fund that took on risky positions." "It's not right, and they shouldn't be allowed to do this. It has no basis in the underlying fundamentals! It's pure speculation!".  Not one of them is saying that maybe the hedge fund shouldn't have shorted the stock 140%.

I had a robinhood account from several years ago when they were giving away stocks and there was a referral thread on this forum.  I got my free stocks, and have just let it sit.  Yesterday I finally succumbed and liquidated my entire robinhood holdings (all $35.11 worth) and put it all into gamestop at $279.  STONKS.   Robinhood has restricted my ability to purchase any additional shares of GME, but I am allowed to sell my position.  Who am I selling to if buying is restricted?  Why is it only restricted on some platforms? 

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It's unclear to me how this (i mean what retail investors and r/wallstreetbets are doing) is illegal.  They are buying and holding a stock en mass.  How is this any different than mustachians piling into a index fund? Or any one specific stock?  Nothing secretive or fraudulent appears to be going on to me, just normal people piling into a stock for speculative reasons.  All the tv show hosts and analysts crying foul sound like big fucking babies.  "Wah wah retail investors are exploiting a big hedge fund that took on risky positions." "It's not right, and they shouldn't be allowed to do this. It has no basis in the underlying fundamentals! It's pure speculation!".  Not one of them is saying that maybe the hedge fund shouldn't have shorted the stock 140%.

I had a robinhood account from several years ago when they were giving away stocks and there was a referral thread on this forum.  I got my free stocks, and have just let it sit.  Yesterday I finally succumbed and liquidated my entire robinhood holdings (all $35.11 worth) and put it all into gamestop at $279.  STONKS.   Robinhood has restricted my ability to purchase any additional shares of GME, but I am allowed to sell my position.  Who am I selling to if buying is restricted?  Why is it only restricted on some platforms?

you're selling to people that are on other platforms willing to buy.

but when several of the top platforms halt ability to buy and you can only sell, that pretty much forces people to sell which will in turn drop the price.

that's bigly wrong

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I don't speculate as a rule, and I think the people feverishly buying GameStop stock are being incredibly foolish. They're going to lose their shirts when their self-created bubble inevitably pops.

Even so, what the retail brokerages are doing is really suspicious. I could see Robinhood and others putting a trading freeze on GME if the volatility gets too high. But what justification could there be for blocking people from buying the stock but still allowing them to sell it? That seems like a purer example of market manipulation than anything that WSB is doing.

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We'll see what the excuse is from the agencies and brokers after this ends.

The market makers are making bank selling $500+ calls at $45+. With the retail buy restriction in place, it's not gonna jump. (But I was wrong about it reaching $200 :).

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Short squeeze stocks are clawing back.  I don't understand anything...

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I bought the max amount of shares with the cash (dividends) that was in my account. (500$)

I did so because I was laughing my ass off watching all this happen... until the brokerages in the States stopped people from buying, but allowed to sell. That`s clearly pandering to the short sellers.

So I did my small part and used my cash to buy as many shares as I could, then half when it jumped back up by more than 100%... because if nobody is allowed to buy, what the hell is happening with the damn stock price? If you can only sell, somebody has to buy them, which meant it was bigger players taking advantage. (or other countries I guess)

Then two hours later it was back up by more than 100%, so I sold half to get all my money back, and now holding to squeeze a bit.

---I`m in Canada, so our brokerages weren`t screwing buyers over

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I don't speculate as a rule, and I think the people feverishly buying GameStop stock are being incredibly foolish. They're going to lose their shirts when their self-created bubble inevitably pops.

Even so, what the retail brokerages are doing is really suspicious. I could see Robinhood and others putting a trading freeze on GME if the volatility gets too high. But what justification could there be for blocking people from buying the stock but still allowing them to sell it? That seems like a purer example of market manipulation than anything that WSB is doing.

The plan is to force Melvin Investments (Hedge Fund Operator) into bankruptcy due their inability to cover the shorts they bought.

Long story short, bunch of people decided to kamikaze a Hedge Fund for the fun of it. Or because "Fuck Hedge Fund managers."

Brokerages are trying to force (even actively selling without permission) shares from people to save Melvin Investments who took a 2 billion dollar loan out, which has already been spent. End of trading Friday is when this will all come to a head when the shorted shares come due at several hundred times their original value.

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but when several of the top platforms halt ability to buy and you can only sell, that pretty much forces people to sell which will in turn drop the price.

that's bigly wrong

This.
yeah someone was going to be left holding the bag, but the brokers just stepped into save hedge funds at the expense of retail instead of letting the market take its course. Note, limiting options positions and use of margin I am totally OK with as that protects the brokers balance sheet. But limiting fully cash covered share positions is a total load of crap!

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frugalnacho - It was a bit better on CBNC's half hour before the opening bell.  They asked why not question how much the rules are to blame, rather than just focusing on the people exploiting a broken rule?  There was some exasperation, too, with the lack of fundamentals driving the decision ("I guess if Apple were 140% short, it would be worth 20 trillion"), but I didn't see direct criticism of the people exploiting the loophole.

gentmach - Where did you learn about brokerages selling shares without the permission of the owner?  A company selling customer assets without their knowledge or consent would be hard to distinguish from fraud.

bacchi - I don't know, I doubt the market makers made bank selling $100 strike options.. or $115, or $200.  Each of those strike prices has 10,000+ contracts of 100 shares each.  So a loss of $167/share becomes $167 million for those selling the call options, and that's just the $100 strikes.  Overall it seems they're hurting bad enough that one or more might go under.
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So retail investors in GME are unable to buy using Robinhood and other platforms.  Thus, triggering a(nother) round of "the man is keeping us down" at least on the Reddit boards.  What happens next on a macro level? 

Do many of these investors stop trading stocks and go into something seen as more fair like betting on professional wresting?  (I saw that retail investors had 20% of trades in 2020 as compared to ~10% in 2019).  Does the market then drop significantly because this money is flowing out?   

Does another round of Occupy Wall Street begin?

Do politicians seen as establishment get pressured/primaried/voted out?  Or, does Congress do another of those "hearings" with CEOs of Robinhood and other platforms like they did with Facebook and Twitter?

Other?

1) A generation of young investors decide "the stock market is rigged". This tilts public opinion toward an expanded social security / government pension system, higher taxes on the rich, and financial regulation.

2) Meanwhile, the new business model for the less-cynical holdouts is the combination brokerage / social media app with marketing slogans about "the little guy", "sticking it to the man", etc. Millenial / GenZ investors will think it is not a wall street business out to get their money, because all things social media are GENUINE and TRUTH, and the legacy brokerages are "boomer". These apps will feature humorous meme-ified user content to pump and dump stocks.

3) Q-Anon-esque internet religions will spring up around paranoid memes. They'll talk about a cabal of rich people controlling the stock market and watching their every move so that their day trades lose money, etc.

4) Interest in cryptocurrency will increase as the perceived legitimacy of the financial markets decreases. At least until that ends in tears too. Excuses will be needed for why everything fails.

5) Day traders facing calls on their margined GME longs will have some of their index funds and tech stocks liquidated too. At today's high valuations and twitchiness about the economy, this could be enough to set off a correction.

6) Those who made money on the great short bubble of '21 will be the ones who sold out their peers and exited early. If history is any guide, they will rationalize their gains as being due to hard work and capitalistic risk-taking and they'll resist talk about taxes and social safety nets. They will become the new conservatives, and so conservativism will become tilted toward their mentality. That mentality is to think independently and look for arbitrage opportunities / opportunities to rip people off in a zero-sum world, and then to resist calls to solidarity like we see on wsb every day. Those who lost money will have the mentality of jumping onto social media bandwagons and placing a high value on solidarity. They won't question these values - they'll accuse the earlier sellouts of ruining their wealth redistribution plan. These will become the new liberals, and they will be very skeptical of the idea that capitalism efficiently allocates resources. This wealth and experience difference will echo throughout the next 20 years, and merge with existing political memes / tropes. Both AOC and Ted Cruz are jumping in on behalf of the little guy for a reason - to claim the deep frustration that is coming for the majority of meme stock investors.

7) More index investors will see the great short squeeze of '21 as a chapter close to the end of the bubble. The more insane it gets, the more salient our stories about pets.com, 22 year old VC execs, and eyeball metrics. If Biden's push for more stimulus is rebutted by Senate Republicans plus at least one Democrat, there will be a selloff. Failure of stimulus will be the go-to-cash signal for a lot of people, and arguably the market is already bleeding off optimism as time drags on. 

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frugalnacho - It was a bit better on CBNC's half hour before the opening bell.  They asked why not question how much the rules are to blame, rather than just focusing on the people exploiting a broken rule?  There was some exasperation, too, with the lack of fundamentals driving the decision ("I guess if Apple were 140% short, it would be worth 20 trillion"), but I didn't see direct criticism of the people exploiting the loophole.

gentmach - Where did you learn about brokerages selling shares without the permission of the owner?  A company selling customer assets without their knowledge or consent would be hard to distinguish from fraud.

bacchi - I don't know, I doubt the market makers made bank selling $100 strike options.. or $115, or $200.  Each of those strike prices has 10,000+ contracts of 100 shares each.  So a loss of $167/share becomes $167 million for those selling the call options, and that's just the $100 strikes.  Overall it seems they're hurting bad enough that one or more might go under.

I don't watch the news, I'm just seeing what's being posted now, so probably the most egregious and noteworthy stuff. Just seems like a lot of people are getting pissed off about a buying frenzy driving the price up, but only because it's hurting a hedge fund.  None of the retail investors buying shares created the rules, and they don't seem to be breaking them either.


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frugalnacho - It was a bit better on CBNC's half hour before the opening bell.  They asked why not question how much the rules are to blame, rather than just focusing on the people exploiting a broken rule?  There was some exasperation, too, with the lack of fundamentals driving the decision ("I guess if Apple were 140% short, it would be worth 20 trillion"), but I didn't see direct criticism of the people exploiting the loophole.

gentmach - Where did you learn about brokerages selling shares without the permission of the owner?  A company selling customer assets without their knowledge or consent would be hard to distinguish from fraud.

bacchi - I don't know, I doubt the market makers made bank selling $100 strike options.. or $115, or $200.  Each of those strike prices has 10,000+ contracts of 100 shares each.  So a loss of $167/share becomes $167 million for those selling the call options, and that's just the $100 strikes.  Overall it seems they're hurting bad enough that one or more might go under.

Another Forum, which keeps an eye on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/ArkhonDH/status/1354834763245359111

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I also bought a few shares.  Willing to lose it all, this is the least mustachian thing I’ve don’t in a long time.  Was surprised IB restricted buying (my account is currently IBKR lite so maybe if i switched back to pro it would have let me do it).  Ended up using fidelity.

If it’s just a bunch of people like me who don’t really care about losing a few hundred dollars, I think the shorts will lose.  They can’t scare people holding a couple shares with volatility.  On the other hand those guys who YOLOd might cash out

I just wanted to be part of the crowd today

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I just wanted to be part of the crowd today

This is exactly why I did so. I invested .0005% of my portfolio. I should be fine, no matter what happens.



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Was surprised IB restricted buying (my account is currently IBKR lite so maybe if i switched back to pro it would have let me do it).

Nope, pro is also restricted from buying shares. Option trades are still allowed.

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I also bought a few shares.  Willing to lose it all, this is the least mustachian thing I’ve don’t in a long time.  Was surprised IB restricted buying (my account is currently IBKR lite so maybe if i switched back to pro it would have let me do it).  Ended up using fidelity.

If it’s just a bunch of people like me who don’t really care about losing a few hundred dollars, I think the shorts will lose.  They can’t scare people holding a couple shares with volatility.  On the other hand those guys who YOLOd might cash out

I just wanted to be part of the crowd today

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frugalnacho - I phrased that wrong, I meant "a rule that is incorrect".

gentmach - Have you tried a limit order instead?  On Vanguard I could not buy GME with a market order:
"Only limit orders are accepted for IPO's, Pink Sheet, and Bulletin Board securities. To place an order for this security, you must include a limit price."

Then again, I was able to sell as a market order, so Vanguard is allowing some things your brokerage isn't.  I could only buy as a limit order, though, so try selling as a limit order and see if the message was incorrect.


One danger sign... some of my stocks overlap with Robinhood investors, and I'm seeing several of them take significant drops today.  To me it looks a little bit like the tide going out before a tsunami.  Given that tomorrow is the last day to buy call options that expire tomorrow... maybe people are selling non-GME investments, and getting ready to buy GME call options?

I just bought a few shares to see what happens.  Or maybe it's a thank you to Robinhood investors who have helped push stocks higher when I wanted to sell.

Wait - I can buy at Vanguard but not at IBKR?  This I gotta see...

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Lots of misinformation out there, though I'm hardly in the know TBH.

But from what I gather, Citadel is a clearing house for transactions used by Robinhood and others, and Citadel is the one that is putting the hold on buys for a list of stocks, like AAL, BB, EXPR, etc. So the trading platforms may not be in the wrong, their hands are tied according to this narrative. Of course, I then seen things like Citadel being an investor in some of the hedge funds that propped up Melvin last week when their losses exceeded $3 billion.

Also, I don't know that there is any guarantee that the short sales will necessarily have a day of reckoning by EOB Friday, I think they are only limited by capital requirements in relation to whatever their paper losses are.

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I also bought a few shares.  Willing to lose it all, this is the least mustachian thing I’ve don’t in a long time.  Was surprised IB restricted buying (my account is currently IBKR lite so maybe if i switched back to pro it would have let me do it).  Ended up using fidelity.

If it’s just a bunch of people like me who don’t really care about losing a few hundred dollars, I think the shorts will lose.  They can’t scare people holding a couple shares with volatility.  On the other hand those guys who YOLOd might cash out

I just wanted to be part of the crowd today

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frugalnacho - I phrased that wrong, I meant "a rule that is incorrect".

gentmach - Have you tried a limit order instead?  On Vanguard I could not buy GME with a market order:
"Only limit orders are accepted for IPO's, Pink Sheet, and Bulletin Board securities. To place an order for this security, you must include a limit price."

Then again, I was able to sell as a market order, so Vanguard is allowing some things your brokerage isn't.  I could only buy as a limit order, though, so try selling as a limit order and see if the message was incorrect.


One danger sign... some of my stocks overlap with Robinhood investors, and I'm seeing several of them take significant drops today.  To me it looks a little bit like the tide going out before a tsunami.  Given that tomorrow is the last day to buy call options that expire tomorrow... maybe people are selling non-GME investments, and getting ready to buy GME call options?

I just bought a few shares to see what happens.  Or maybe it's a thank you to Robinhood investors who have helped push stocks higher when I wanted to sell.

Wait - I can buy at Vanguard but not at IBKR?  This I gotta see...

Most of the commentary I've seen isn't even focussed on the rules being broken, just people being salty and bitching about it.  Heavily implying that what's going on should be illegal, because....reasons.   Just because people are piling in, not based on fundamentals, but just because.  This isn't how the stock market should work! It's hurting the wrong people!

It seems I have the option to buy GME at vanguard.  I don't have any money not invested at vanguard though, and it doesn't seem like I have the option to trade one of my holdings to buy in.  Can I sell some of my vanguard funds within my IRA and immediately use those to purchase GME?  I've never purchased a stock in vanguard.  Whenever I've needed to rebalance I always just trade one vanguard fund for another without going through the process of selling and buying individually so I'm not familiar with how it works.

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frugalnacho - Stocks are $0/share to trade at Vanguard.  I've bought them in my Roth IRA and Brokerage Account before, same $0 for everyone.  So you should be able to buy GME without fees, but what happens from there is hard to know.


I verified that IBKR is giving worse service than Vanguard on buying GME.  I'm really surprised IBKR is doing this - they're supposed to have more markets, more ways to trade ... and they just restrict buys of GME stock.  Well, for what it's worth, you could still buy call options as of yesterday.
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IBKR: ""BUY 2 GME NYSE @ 231.20" Transactions in this instrument are limited to closing-only trades."
I'm really disappointed in IBKR, not giving clients the choice of what they can buy.  Apparently it's true at Robinhood as well.  What other firms are restricting like this?

Do Fidelity and Schwab allow purchase of GME shares?

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Schwab just let me buy, all of 2 shares for $444.44 (nice round number), as that's all the cash I had leftover in my account from what was sold earlier this month from my company RSUs to cover taxes.  To the moon, I think is what the kids are saying, right? 

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frugalnacho - I phrased that wrong, I meant "a rule that is incorrect".

gentmach - Have you tried a limit order instead?  On Vanguard I could not buy GME with a market order:
"Only limit orders are accepted for IPO's, Pink Sheet, and Bulletin Board securities. To place an order for this security, you must include a limit price."

Then again, I was able to sell as a market order, so Vanguard is allowing some things your brokerage isn't.  I could only buy as a limit order, though, so try selling as a limit order and see if the message was incorrect.


One danger sign... some of my stocks overlap with Robinhood investors, and I'm seeing several of them take significant drops today.  To me it looks a little bit like the tide going out before a tsunami.  Given that tomorrow is the last day to buy call options that expire tomorrow... maybe people are selling non-GME investments, and getting ready to buy GME call options?

I just bought a few shares to see what happens.  Or maybe it's a thank you to Robinhood investors who have helped push stocks higher when I wanted to sell.

Wait - I can buy at Vanguard but not at IBKR?  This I gotta see...

I tried my Ally account which claimed a "Dashboard Error." Vanguard I couldn't remember the password to so I haven't tried it.

Glenn Greenwald is also getting errors it seems.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1354856018270892038

Vanguard is on a list of "Active" brokers at WallStreetBets reddit page.

Most of the commentary I've seen isn't even focussed on the rules being broken, just people being salty and bitching about it.  Heavily implying that what's going on should be illegal, because....reasons.   Just because people are piling in, not based on fundamentals, but just because.  This isn't how the stock market should work! It's hurting the wrong people!

It seems I have the option to buy GME at vanguard.  I don't have any money not invested at vanguard though, and it doesn't seem like I have the option to trade one of my holdings to buy in.  Can I sell some of my vanguard funds within my IRA and immediately use those to purchase GME?  I've never purchased a stock in vanguard.  Whenever I've needed to rebalance I always just trade one vanguard fund for another without going through the process of selling and buying individually so I'm not familiar with how it works.

"Because the peasants are 'Unsophisticated.'"

But yes, you should be able to use Vanguard. I have Phizer stock in my Vanguard accounts.

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Fidelity yes.

TD Ameratrade and Schwab are reportedly restricting the ability to purchase, along with a bunch of other platforms.

I can purchase for $0 at vanguard, but could I do that immediately after selling some VTSAX to fund it?  Like can I sell $1k of VTSAX right now, then immediately use that to purchase GME? I don't want to make a sale of my mutual fund only to find out I have to wait until tomorrow or the next day or something for it to execute and settle up before I could use the funds.  Even if I could I don't think I should put anything into GME.  Seems like a tempting gamble to drop a bit into it and ride the wave up though.  But is there even going to be a continued wave? Or are all these platforms restricting the ability to buy going to quash this whole ordeal?

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Was surprised IB restricted buying (my account is currently IBKR lite so maybe if i switched back to pro it would have let me do it).

Nope, pro is also restricted from buying shares. Option trades are still allowed.

are you able to sell puts? I tried mid am and IBpro said no opening positions in GME.


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But from what I gather, Citadel is a clearing house for transactions used by Robinhood and others, and Citadel is the one that is putting the hold on buys for a list of stocks, like AAL, BB, EXPR, etc. So the trading platforms may not be in the wrong, their hands are tied according to this narrative. Of course, I then seen things like Citadel being an investor in some of the hedge funds that propped up Melvin last week when their losses exceeded $3 billion.

Apex Clearing clears for Robinhood. IBKR and TD self clear, as does Vanguard. Fido, which allows buying apparently, uses National. https://investorjunkie.com/stock-brokers/broker-clearing-firms/

The weak link isn't the clearing firms.

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Also, I don't know that there is any guarantee that the short sales will necessarily have a day of reckoning by EOB Friday, I think they are only limited by capital requirements in relation to whatever their paper losses are.

Agreed about the day of reckoning. This ride is over.

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Was surprised IB restricted buying (my account is currently IBKR lite so maybe if i switched back to pro it would have let me do it).

Nope, pro is also restricted from buying shares. Option trades are still allowed.

are you able to sell puts? I tried mid am and IBpro said no opening positions in GME.

I only looked at calls and...no. No opening positions on puts. I can see IB limiting naked puts but why limit cash-covered long puts?

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TD Ameratrade and Schwab are reportedly restricting the ability to purchase, along with a bunch of other platforms.

I just got the automated trade notification email, so my Schwab trade appears to have been successful  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nope. You must log in to continue.

No facebook login for me and I'm getting the same error.


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Fidelity yes.

TD Ameratrade and Schwab are reportedly restricting the ability to purchase, along with a bunch of other platforms.

I can purchase for $0 at vanguard, but could I do that immediately after selling some VTSAX to fund it?  Like can I sell $1k of VTSAX right now, then immediately use that to purchase GME? I don't want to make a sale of my mutual fund only to find out I have to wait until tomorrow or the next day or something for it to execute and settle up before I could use the funds.  Even if I could I don't think I should put anything into GME.  Seems like a tempting gamble to drop a bit into it and ride the wave up though.  But is there even going to be a continued wave? Or are all these platforms restricting the ability to buy going to quash this whole ordeal?

I don’t know the answer for sure but I believe no.  Mutual funds only transact at the end of the day.

I was able to sell a little VTI in my IRA to fund same day purchase of GME but that’s an ETF and I have a limited margin account.   



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Apparently it’s back on IBKR

Frugal I don’t think it’s worth the hassle even if you wanted a bite

 

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