Author Topic: How to Protect Yourself from Yourself  (Read 4125 times)

dalekeener

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How to Protect Yourself from Yourself
« on: March 27, 2015, 12:22:27 PM »
I have my IRA money maxing out each year in a couple different investments at Schwab (SCHB, PGX, NOIEX), pretty much divided equally while keeping 20% in cash.  I have noticed recently I have been as if picking at a scab, trading various sector etf's and other somewhat exotic so to speak etf's...Some times good, sometimes not so good, other times well you get the picture. 

How does one, I know it is a me issue, keep from trying to find the perfect right now investment. I am guessing it is just a mind set I have to get squared away. Does anyone else have this issue at times?

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Re: How to Protect Yourself from Yourself
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2015, 12:25:05 PM »
Change your mind about what you mean by investing. Are you an investor, or are you a speculator.

Come up with an IPS. Use a plan to dictate what you do with your money rather than randomness.

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Re: How to Protect Yourself from Yourself
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2015, 12:29:45 PM »
Having higher fund fees (like Schwab often has--don't know about your particular funds) and higher trading fees (e.g. by buying and selling ETFs) is one way to make it really likely you will significantly underperform the market.

It sounds like you would be better off just moving your IRA to Vanguard and putting all your funds into a Vanguard Target Retirement Fund that corresponds with your retirement date until you have a better plan for what to do with your money. Once you do learn more about investing, you will probably realize that leaving it in that Vanguard Target Retirement Fund is the best plan.

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Re: How to Protect Yourself from Yourself
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2015, 12:35:06 PM »
Why would you keep 20% cash in an IRA?!?!?!?!?!? If it is an investment...invest it. If you want it in a savings account do that.

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Re: How to Protect Yourself from Yourself
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2015, 05:28:49 PM »
What Matchewed wrote.
Change your mindset.

Find another hobby.
Investing in low cost index funds, with a buy and hold approach, according to your IPS should be boring and require little monitoring and upkeep.

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Re: How to Protect Yourself from Yourself
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2015, 07:10:53 AM »
I just don't think too much about it. I have 40+ years I can let the money sit.

I also learned painful lessons first hand while younger to not chase.

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Re: How to Protect Yourself from Yourself
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2015, 07:42:42 AM »
This is what I did years ago at a young age to satisfy my curiosity:  I had an IRA and a taxable index fund (Vanguard S&P 500) that I put an equal amount of money in.  My goal was to trade within the IRA(since no tax consequences if I did not take money out of the IRA) to see if I could beat the returns of the index fund.  I was the type of person that needed to have skin in the game to really focus.  Rules:  I would not touch the index fund but trade as often as I wanted within the IRA, and keep track over time.  I thought it would be a no-brainer ---  that I would easily beat the index fund because I would keep up with the news, wouldn't have to pay any tax, read Value Line and Morningstar nearly daily, buy when I had a "good feeling", use business cycles to my advantage, etc.  Of course, I was convinced that I was smarter than everyone else! Bottom line: Occasionally, over very short periods of time (up to a couple of months at various times), I was able to beat the index returns, but when I looked year to year, or over 2 to 3 years time, I didn't even come close. Depending on the comparison time interval, I typically was 2 to 6% below the index. How could that be?  Eventually I gave up trying to beat the market and put all of my investments on automatic pilot, mostly through dollar cost averaging.  Some 30 years later, I am so glad I did.  It was the primary reason that I was able to be FI and retire early. 

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Re: How to Protect Yourself from Yourself
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2015, 06:54:48 AM »
... I know it is a me issue, keep from trying to find the perfect right now investment. I am guessing it is just a mind set I have to get squared away. Does anyone else have this issue at times?

You need to convince yourself that there is no such thing as "the perfect right now investment."  Can't you see that, even if there were, that could most likely change in a month, a week or sometimes even in a day?

That being said, a tactical solution would be for you to allocate a specific amount of the cash in your IRA to that sort of pursuit.  Then resolve to select and hold the rest of your holdings based on your more longterm self-interest.

Good luck.

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Re: How to Protect Yourself from Yourself
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2015, 07:21:12 AM »
Write up a 1 page investment plan including an asset allocation target. If you like let yourself invest 10% of your liquid NW in market specific ETFs if that turns your crank as long as the other 90% is invested sensibly consider this your play money.

Invest that 20% cash. Keep a month or 3 of cost of living if you feel the need and get a line of credit to buffer cashflow bumps.

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