Author Topic: Has anyone done much analysis on Collective Investment Trusts (CIT)?  (Read 673 times)

ATtiny85

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My 401k options are basically all CITs through BlackRock (via Fidelity). While they are low cost (0.04% for the Target Date Funds), I dislike the lack of information about what I really own. The share class gets updated every couple years (normally dropping the ER) and poof, all the historical information is gone. And reading that one reason they tend to be lower cost is that they don't have SEC reporting requirements...well that's a weird thing. (This car is cheaper because we don't need to include safety features...these smoke alarms are cheaper because we don't have pay to certify them...and so on)

I tend to be somewhat trusting in these sorts of things (this is a large company with 60k+ employees), but when trying to sharpen the pencil to really understand something as simple as overall asset allocation I sometimes get a little uneasy. One thing I can confidently say, is that "they" are not using these CITs for my benefit, but rather because it makes the most business sense (meaning "they" make the most money from doing it this way).

Anybody with more insight or comments? I don't mind continuing to leave blinders on and let it go, just now and then I'd like to have more transparency. If it truly bugged me I do have Brokerage Link and could move to something with annual reports and a ticker.

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Re: Has anyone done much analysis on Collective Investment Trusts (CIT)?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2023, 09:06:19 AM »
VTI and IXUS both charge 0.03% for exposure to over 3,000 U.S. stocks, so it might be worth a brokerage option on that alone.  I also like the ability to lookup prices and holdings at a number of websites, which sounds like it is not the case for CITs.

A legal point I'm curious about: does a fiduciary duty require transparency?  Meaning if they give you low fees (0.04%) in your 401(k), can they conceal the investments?  I don't know the answer.

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Re: Has anyone done much analysis on Collective Investment Trusts (CIT)?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2023, 02:06:03 PM »
VTI and IXUS both charge 0.03% for exposure to over 3,000 U.S. stocks, so it might be worth a brokerage option on that alone.  I also like the ability to lookup prices and holdings at a number of websites, which sounds like it is not the case for CITs.

A legal point I'm curious about: does a fiduciary duty require transparency?  Meaning if they give you low fees (0.04%) in your 401(k), can they conceal the investments?  I don't know the answer.

Yeah, if it wasn't for the lack of tickers, I doubt I would worry much about it.

Thanks for the comment.

 

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