The system confirmed 18 failed checks at 30 minute intervals starting at September 20, 2019 03:17:50
Didn’t notice. Maybe it should be down once in a while to give people a break.
Didn’t notice. Maybe it should be down once in a while to give people a break.
I only noticed because I have a monitor setup to check if the forum is up every 30 minutes.
It was down for 9 hours until it came back up, so I posted here ;-)
Lol, I did too. In the interest of, uh, quality assurance, I decided to send the fabulous webmaster a message and...it timed out. Maybe that's where the problem lies.Didn’t notice. Maybe it should be down once in a while to give people a break.
I only noticed because I have a monitor setup to check if the forum is up every 30 minutes.
It was down for 9 hours until it came back up, so I posted here ;-)
I only noticed because I check the forum every 5-10 seconds for... uh... quality assurance purposes
Went on twitter to see if it was only down for me, and enjoyed reading his shout-out to his awesome web host
can someone explain DDoS/DDOS to me in laymans terms?
can someone explain DDoS/DDOS to me in laymans terms?
A Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack is where a bunch of computers (typically compromised systems, but could also be a coordinated multi-person effort) all repeatedly access the same server to overload it and prevent it from responding to normal users.
can someone explain DDoS/DDOS to me in laymans terms?
A Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack is where a bunch of computers (typically compromised systems, but could also be a coordinated multi-person effort) all repeatedly access the same server to overload it and prevent it from responding to normal users.
Some people are dicks.
To me, all of those reasons would make the perpetrator a dick. Whether you are doing it simply because you can, or for extortion, or to knock a rival offline... all dick moves IMO.
Can be done either because you're a dick and you can. Because you asked for protection money NOT to DDoS a website and were denied. Or politically/strategically to knock a competing business offline.
@arebelspy, or another mod - can anyone tell us what happened last week?
Another quick question. Is there a way to signal all the mods at once? Something like @mods, or @overlords, or something? I signaled you because you're the only one I know.+1 @arebelspy @FrugalToque - other than the 'report to moderator' button (which I assume just flags a post as being in violation of the forum rules somehow) there isn't an obvious way to alert whichever moderator(s) are available to say "hey, here's something you might want to be aware of"
Another quick question. Is there a way to signal all the mods at once? Something like @mods, or @overlords, or something? I signaled you because you're the only one I know.+1 @arebelspy @FrugalToque - other than the 'report to moderator' button (which I assume just flags a post as being in violation of the forum rules somehow) there isn't an obvious way to alert whichever moderator(s) are available to say "hey, here's something you might want to be aware of"
Another quick question. Is there a way to signal all the mods at once? Something like @mods, or @overlords, or something? I signaled you because you're the only one I know.+1 @arebelspy @FrugalToque - other than the 'report to moderator' button (which I assume just flags a post as being in violation of the forum rules somehow) there isn't an obvious way to alert whichever moderator(s) are available to say "hey, here's something you might want to be aware of"
I could add them to my monitoring email that I get anytime the forum is down ;-)
Awww man, I thought it was the incredible traffic load from folks checking in on their way to Camp Mustache Toronto on Thurs/Fri that took down the server.
You would figure Pete could afford better hosting.
Another quick question. Is there a way to signal all the mods at once? Something like @mods, or @overlords, or something? I signaled you because you're the only one I know.+1 @arebelspy @FrugalToque - other than the 'report to moderator' button (which I assume just flags a post as being in violation of the forum rules somehow) there isn't an obvious way to alert whichever moderator(s) are available to say "hey, here's something you might want to be aware of"
I am aware those issues existed yesterday. I believe they have been fixed.
Let me know if they persist today and beyond.
Cheers!
I am aware those issues existed yesterday. I believe they have been fixed.
Let me know if they persist today and beyond.
Cheers!
As someone who comes here mostly to waste time, the forum being down half the time is a major drag.
I am aware those issues existed yesterday. I believe they have been fixed.
Let me know if they persist today and beyond.
Cheers!
As someone who comes here mostly to waste time, the forum being down half the time is a major drag.This is a Mustachian Person's Problem, perhaps the ultimate MPP.
I am aware those issues existed yesterday. I believe they have been fixed.
Let me know if they persist today and beyond.
Cheers!
@arebelspy The forum has already timed out for me once this morning.
I am aware those issues existed yesterday. I believe they have been fixed.
Let me know if they persist today and beyond.
Cheers!
@arebelspy The forum has already timed out for me once this morning.
I've noticed the time out does not occur if I have a single window/tab open for MMMForums. Page load times are in excess of 10 seconds.
The moment I right-click and open, say General Discussion, in a new tab, I get the time out.
Seems that 2 GET requests from same source IP can't be resolved. Or that the first GET takes so long that subsequent GETs time out, which may mean very slow DB reads.
It's terrible to have read and writes to the same DB; at work, writes (from reply box) go to the master DB, while queries/searches/browsing are served by a replica DB.
Thanks for alerting me again. Think it is fixed again.
Any time something like this occurs, please don't assume it's normal, we'd like everything running smoothly.
If I acknowledge it and it still persists days later, assume I don't realize it isn't fixed (sometimes it seems it is, but is not) and feel free to contact again. PM is quicker than @ if it's really bad. :)
Thanks for alerting me again. Think it is fixed again.
Any time something like this occurs, please don't assume it's normal, we'd like everything running smoothly.
If I acknowledge it and it still persists days later, assume I don't realize it isn't fixed (sometimes it seems it is, but is not) and feel free to contact again. PM is quicker than @ if it's really bad. :)
Thanks for alerting me again. Think it is fixed again.
Any time something like this occurs, please don't assume it's normal, we'd like everything running smoothly.
If I acknowledge it and it still persists days later, assume I don't realize it isn't fixed (sometimes it seems it is, but is not) and feel free to contact again. PM is quicker than @ if it's really bad. :)
Do you want me to add your email to the alerts sent when there's downtime?
They have been very accurate so far to total outages.
Thanks for alerting me again. Think it is fixed again.
Any time something like this occurs, please don't assume it's normal, we'd like everything running smoothly.
If I acknowledge it and it still persists days later, assume I don't realize it isn't fixed (sometimes it seems it is, but is not) and feel free to contact again. PM is quicker than @ if it's really bad. :)
If I can’t load the forum, how can I send a PM?Thanks for alerting me again. Think it is fixed again.
Any time something like this occurs, please don't assume it's normal, we'd like everything running smoothly.
If I acknowledge it and it still persists days later, assume I don't realize it isn't fixed (sometimes it seems it is, but is not) and feel free to contact again. PM is quicker than @ if it's really bad. :)
Do you want me to add your email to the alerts sent when there's downtime?
They have been very accurate so far to total outages.
This would be sweet and also a bot that tweet at mmm “forum is down” and also update www.isthemrmoneymustacheforumdown.com
it's ironic that on Sept 20 Mr MM tweeted kudos to his web dev and hosting folks for 4 years of zero downtime.
This would be sweet and also a bot that tweet at mmm “forum is down” and also update www.isthemrmoneymustacheforumdown.com
I clicked it. I wish it was a real link.
Yeah, I hate to complain about something I access for free
This would be sweet and also a bot that tweet at mmm “forum is down” and also update www.isthemrmoneymustacheforumdown.com
I clicked it. I wish it was a real link.
DDOS is an interesting theory. I wonder if one of the mods will chime in at some point once (fully?) resolved.
I noticed that the user counts on the forum's main page seemed up significantly. I had been away from the forums for a couple of weeks but the totals per day and max total ever stats seemed significantly higher than what I recalled seeing in the past. I can't be sure, just going from memory.
An easy fix would be to restrict the forum to logged in users only, too, that would likely cut down on server load depending on what those guests are doing
Content not guaranteed
An easy fix would be to restrict the forum to logged in users only, too, that would likely cut down on server load depending on what those guests are doing
Psh. Just restrict access to walrus stache or above. I’ll generate enough content for everyone
We've been looking into it; those positing a DDOS attack appear to be on the right track. We're looking into potential cloudflare solutions.Thanks for the reply. Pardon my ignorance, but what's the point of a DDOS? Are they looking for ransom money? Trying to drive traffic elsewhere? Or just doing it because they can?
We've been looking into it; those positing a DDOS attack appear to be on the right track. We're looking into potential cloudflare solutions.Thanks for the reply. Pardon my ignorance, but what's the point of a DDOS? Are they looking for ransom money? Trying to drive traffic elsewhere? Or just doing it because they can?
Could be someone spiteful who was banned from the board. Could be someone who got into a heated argument on the forum.
Could be someone spiteful who was banned from the board. Could be someone who got into a heated argument on the forum.
sol confirmed?
Could be someone spiteful who was banned from the board. Could be someone who got into a heated argument on the forum.
sol confirmed?
I miss him. Paging @ Sol. Your absence is felt, dude!Could be someone spiteful who was banned from the board. Could be someone who got into a heated argument on the forum.
sol confirmed?
Someone said the Sol person wasn't banned, just got angry and left. Something about his wife forcing him back to work.
I miss him. Paging @ Sol. Your absence is felt, dude!Could be someone spiteful who was banned from the board. Could be someone who got into a heated argument on the forum.
sol confirmed?
Someone said the Sol person wasn't banned, just got angry and left. Something about his wife forcing him back to work.
MMM says the offending IP addresses are from China:
https://twitter.com/mrmoneymustache/status/1178760887777120257
MMM says the offending IP addresses are from China:
https://twitter.com/mrmoneymustache/status/1178760887777120257
That doesn’t even sound distributed... maybe it’s a changing subnet but seems easy to filter 255 addresses. This is probably a result of the trump tariffs on chinese lentils
It’s much faster now!
I thought IP filtering was typically performed at the router level for speed
The forum being down is an international conspiracy to force me to be productive at work. Boooooooo!
I thought IP filtering was typically performed at the router level for speed
Not an expert. Yes, routers can do IP filtering at their level. But if China is sending web traffic MMM's way, it's going along Internet backbones and not going through routers at that point.
Thanks, mods, admins, MMM, etc. Quite fast for me currently.
I thought IP filtering was typically performed at the router level for speed
Not an expert. Yes, routers can do IP filtering at their level. But if China is sending web traffic MMM's way, it's going along Internet backbones and not going through routers at that point.
Thanks, mods, admins, MMM, etc. Quite fast for me currently.
Not an expert either but I think routers are integral to this whole Internet thing and can’t really be bypassed
I thought IP filtering was typically performed at the router level for speed
Not an expert. Yes, routers can do IP filtering at their level. But if China is sending web traffic MMM's way, it's going along Internet backbones and not going through routers at that point.
Thanks, mods, admins, MMM, etc. Quite fast for me currently.
Not an expert either but I think routers are integral to this whole Internet thing and can’t really be bypassed
At first I thought you were referring to Internet backbone sites (which I thought had routing devices that were called switches).
But after thinking about it some more, I guess you may be referring to the router between the MMM forum server and it's upstream Internet backbone site. You're right, that router can't be bypassed if you want to get to the MMM server.
My little home-quality cable modem / wifi router isn't powerful or configurable enough to handle the kind of problem being discussed here, but it's certainly conceivable that commercial-quality routers could.
ETA: Actually, it used to be that you could connect a computer directly to an Internet backbone site with a Ethernet network card and a hardcoded IP address (of course you should own that IP address, otherwise you can cause problems), so *technically* you didn't need a router to be on the Internet. I did it myself back in the mid-90's at a Silicon Valley-based Fortune 500 company. In limited cases this is probably true today - I bet there are some Google IT guys' computers set up that way just so then don't have to have a router slowing things down ;-). Obviously, though, the vast, vast majority of users these days are connected via routers, get dynamically assigned IP addresses, etc.
sol confirmed?
Someone said the Sol person wasn't banned, just got angry and left. Something about his wife forcing him back to work.
sol confirmed?
Someone said the Sol person wasn't banned, just got angry and left. Something about his wife forcing him back to work.
I disappear for a few months and I miss all sorts of forum drama. Lucky timing on my part.
I'm done. I'm sure the forum will be fine without me.
I thought IP filtering was typically performed at the router level for speed
Not an expert. Yes, routers can do IP filtering at their level. But if China is sending web traffic MMM's way, it's going along Internet backbones and not going through routers at that point.
Thanks, mods, admins, MMM, etc. Quite fast for me currently.
Not an expert either but I think routers are integral to this whole Internet thing and can’t really be bypassed
At first I thought you were referring to Internet backbone sites (which I thought had routing devices that were called switches).
But after thinking about it some more, I guess you may be referring to the router between the MMM forum server and it's upstream Internet backbone site. You're right, that router can't be bypassed if you want to get to the MMM server.
My little home-quality cable modem / wifi router isn't powerful or configurable enough to handle the kind of problem being discussed here, but it's certainly conceivable that commercial-quality routers could.
ETA: Actually, it used to be that you could connect a computer directly to an Internet backbone site with a Ethernet network card and a hardcoded IP address (of course you should own that IP address, otherwise you can cause problems), so *technically* you didn't need a router to be on the Internet. I did it myself back in the mid-90's at a Silicon Valley-based Fortune 500 company. In limited cases this is probably true today - I bet there are some Google IT guys' computers set up that way just so then don't have to have a router slowing things down ;-). Obviously, though, the vast, vast majority of users these days are connected via routers, get dynamically assigned IP addresses, etc.
Could be, but I think you are reading too much into the different terminology of router v switches. That could be how it’s used in industry but these days the distinction is very gray. You need a device capable of routing packets for internet. A switch that decides where to send packets is performing a routing function as far as I’m concerned
The forum being down is an international conspiracy to force me to be productive at work. Boooooooo!
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