Author Topic: In-laws dealing with a likely scam - old "lease" for POS they don't even have...  (Read 2039 times)

jeromedawg

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Hey all,

Curioust to get some feedback on a likely situation my in-laws will be facing soon.  My FIL apparently agreed some time ago to a contract to lease a POS from a super shady company called "Lease Financial Group" based on out Chicago with another entity in NY called "Northern Leasing Systems":
https://www.bbb.org/us/il/chicago/profile/leasing-services/lease-finance-group-0654-27006448/customer-reviews
https://www.cardpaymentoptions.com/terminals/lease-finance-group/
https://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/lease-finance-group-illinois-c185921.html

Pretty much all the reviews say the same thing: they canceled and sent the leased equipment(s) back, yet were still charged monthly leasing fees, and when they stopped payment the company started sending collection letters and threatened to sue them for breaching contract etc. Some have reported that it potentially is impacting their credit,etc.

It looks like in 2016 the NY Attorney General filed a lawsuit against them: https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/ag-schneiderman-sues-northern-leasing-systems-inc-deceptive-business-practices-and but I'm not sure if there have been any updates at this point.

Currently my wife just found out that my FIL signed up for this service because she saw the charge and called the current processing company to figure out what the charge is for and they had no clue. Then she dug deeper and stumbled across this. So the fruits of my FIL's own ignorance in signing contracts without having someone review it for him (because he can't read English, at least well, let alone a shady contract). She is afraid that if she closes the business credit card that's being charged, the company will go after my in-laws and harass them (and even worse, my in-laws would end up paying whatever the 'ransom' is).

Any suggestions on what can or should be done at this point?

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At least make sure everything you do is well documented. If you send back a closure, make sure they need to sign for receival. Take pictures of what you send, or screen shots of ending an account.

jeromedawg

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Just a quick update but we put a stop-payment on the scammers and they invoiced us. What I've heard of happening is that unless we close the bank account completely (or change the number, which technically is a closure then reopening under the same name but different number), the scammers will debit the account (since they have the bank info) under a different entity name. With my in-laws out of the country right now, we are trying to figure out how to best deal with the situation. Aside from that, LFG/Northern Leasing Systems is a intricate and vicious credit card lease scam/scheme.

Basically the rundown of how it works is that they either have a 'salesperson' come into the place of business (or call) and convince anyone there to sign a contract which effectively is non-cancelable and attempts to prevent any other sort of recourse. If they don't convince someone to sign, I've heard many instances of forgery being committed. They also somehow end up obtaining bank account information (I'm not clear as to how this is done) and start debiting from your account every month. If you put a stop payment they will bill from another entity name. If you put a hold or close the account, they start sending invoices and eventually collections notices and threatening letters. They may even harass via phone call. Then at some point they supposedly file a lawsuit against you in the NY City Civil Court, banking on the fact that most people either A) aren't aware they are being defrauded and/or B) won't bother traveling to NY to dispute. The hope on the scammers' part is that you don't dispute so they win the lawsuit, then they can put liens against you etc. I've also heard of people getting hard inquiries run against them and having their credit damaged. It's a real nightmare and unbelievable that this is happening cross state and the states and government seem to be paying very little attention to it.
 

The Attorney General in NY filed a lawsuit against them a few years ago and it's an ongoing matter... however, these crooks continue to file lawsuits against small business owners that they've defrauded, in hopes of continuing to build their house of cards:
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/ag-schneiderman-sues-northern-leasing-systems-inc-deceptive-business-practices-and
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/court-allows-ag-schneidermans-lawsuit-against-northern-leasing-systems-inc-proceed
https://ag.ny.gov/NLFAQ

Hopefully this ends soon. For business owners, it's nothing short of a nightmare.

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Looks like that lawsuit will drag on for years...

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!