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Luke Warm

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rotting deck
« on: March 19, 2016, 07:36:55 AM »
we have a wood deck on our house that is beginning to rot. we live in florida so it stays wet a lot of the time. it's made with pressure treated wood but since the removal of arsenic from the pressure treating process, the wood only lasts 5-6 years. also the wood gets slime on it making it treacherous to walk on when it is wet. the cheap solution is to buy more decking and replace the boards that are rotting as needed. also there is a type of plasticy paint that home depot sells that i could paint on the replacement boards to prolong their life. or i could spend all my money and replace all the boards with that trex plastic deck material. i think the trex would actually outlast the deck structure as it's made of pressure treated wood also. has anyone tried that plasticy deck coating paint? is it worth the effort?

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Re: rotting deck
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2016, 09:28:45 PM »
Wish I had an answer, but I can certainly feel the pain on this one. I spent decades building in the Northeast, and finding ANY evidence of failed PT lumber in normal residential applications is pretty unusual. Last winter I did some volunteer work at a state park in central FL. We repaired a boardwalk though a swampy area of a busy campground. The structure was all PT yellow pine and well built. The damage was extreme, with a collapsing walkway, and some of the joists degrading to the point that they were essentially composting and returning to the earth. The entire project was originally built as a boy scout project, SEVEN years previously.

Just an educated guess, but I think the heavy coating you discuss will be a disaster. It will encapsulate the top surface of the boards, blocking the ability of the material to properly dry between rain and high humidity cycles. Obviously the material dries by evaporation on the sides and bottom, but I would think it would be a fraction of the drying that takes place when the top face of the material is exposed to sunlight, and radiant heat from the sun.

 Good luck with your project. We spend our winters in Fl. and I find the climate and related construction techniques and issues to be pretty interesting. That said, I'll stick with what I know, no termites, fire ants,  elevations of a few feet above sea level, hurricanes, "lifetime" building products that rot into mulch in a few years, etc........We are in a big campground at the moment, and at least two employees spend most of their time hauling biomass off the property. They rake, shovel and saw at everything from grass to palm trees continiously, in order to literally keep the jungle at bay. I get tired just watching the battle, LOL.

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Re: rotting deck
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2016, 10:03:27 PM »
I live in SE Texas (gulf coast) and have similar weather. I also have a PT wood deck. It was painted with that plasticy paint you're talking about when we bought the house. Noticed it rotting in most of the boards within the next couple of years and had to replace all of it. The paint let in just enough moisture to turn the wood into mush inside a plastic shell. Don't bother with paint, because there is no way to get 100% of the surface sealed.

We ended up replacing and then I treat the surface with water seal stain (with UV coat) every other year. So far, that has made the deck last with almost no rotting at all and it's been about a decade. I have some minor wear at a drip line on one board where the water sheets off a roof section, but I hit it with a double layer when I reseal and that seems to help slow down the water damage somewhat.

I use a scrub brush on a broom handle and some oxyclean in water every year (especially before resealing) and scrub it down then hose it off so there is no mold or other slippery buildup (and help maintain the surface). The oxy doesn't have anything that harms the plants/grass that I could tell.

I was told you are supposed to clean your deck every year and reseal every 3 years (but the heat/sun/humidity in our area breaks down things much faster thus the every 2 years and probably should be doing it every year).
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Re: rotting deck
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2016, 10:36:49 PM »
I've used the Home Depot stuff on a deck on my rental in Spokane WA.  Much different climate, of course.  Easy to apply, all that stuff.  Been wearing fine for about the last four years.  I suspect it might have been cheaper just to go with the PT.

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Re: rotting deck
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2016, 05:53:56 AM »
I put behr deckover on our deck a couple of years ago.  We.live in the Atlanta area.  Was a fine project, like painting on cake batter. (Tip - use their regular stain for vertical surfaces. Its a very close color match, much easier to apply, and less expensive.)  The deckover saved us a fortune vs replacing with trex.  But our big problem was splintering wood, not rot.

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Re: rotting deck
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2016, 02:39:26 PM »
thanks for the input. i just bought a piece of deck board and replaces the rotted stuff. the structural pieces were slightly rotted but still usable. i had a thought of replacing the decking with some concrete backer board, like you use behind tile. i might try it when bigger areas start rotting.

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Re: rotting deck
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2016, 02:51:52 PM »
thanks for the input. i just bought a piece of deck board and replaces the rotted stuff. the structural pieces were slightly rotted but still usable. i had a thought of replacing the decking with some concrete backer board, like you use behind tile. i might try it when bigger areas start rotting.

Um, no.  Backer board is not structural, and is applied over structural sheathing for flooring applications. My specific concern is how the failure might take place, if it shears off at an edge where it's attached to a joist, you may go through it. The outcome could be bloody and ugly. In your situation composites or something like Ipe, which is a nearly rot proof South American hardwood decking, are probably your best choice.

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Re: rotting deck
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2016, 03:17:53 PM »
after i posted that i got to thinking how fragile that stuff is. are there different grade of pt wood?

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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2016, 03:48:24 PM »
after i posted that i got to thinking how fragile that stuff is. are there different grade of pt wood?

Yes. A lot of stuff built for marine use, or listed as suitable for direct burial, is treated with a lot more toxins to make it more durable. The standard is ounces per board foot. IIRC, the old formula PT we used for decades was .40  and the newer stuff on the shelf is not only a lot less toxic, but .25 OZ/BD. FT. or roughly 40% less treatment. It would be a lot more money, but if you can find a supplier of marine lumber, for dock building, I will indeed last a heck of a lot longer. Don't forget, if you want to make a deck last in the jungles of Florida, the most durable one are the kind that flow out of the chute of a concrete truck, LOL.

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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2016, 07:41:56 PM »
What about fake wood? My parents (midwest) rebuilt a porch with wood that is not actually wood (I guess plastic?), but looks pretty decent. It's paintable, though you don't have to, and they never bothered to paint it. I know they said it was more expensive than wood, but it doesn't rot.

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Re: rotting deck
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2016, 07:25:10 AM »
has anyone tried that plasticy deck coating paint? is it worth the effort?

Yes and yes.  The wood wasn't rotten but it was showing wear.  If your wood is rotten, replace it.  The deck coat is very thick.  It is really just very thick exterior paint.  It was much less expensive to paint the deck than to replace the deck.

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Re: rotting deck
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2016, 02:03:10 PM »
I have a Trex deck, with the fake wood grain. Put it in 5 years ago. South facing full sun in the dry hot Utah. Its not holding up well. The color is fading, and unevenly. The surface is starting to crumble up. Unlike wood you can't just sand it down without erasing the wood grain. It scratches easily from sliding around deck furniture. It stains easily from bird poop or grease & oil from a grill.  Its supposed to be splinter free, but I get tiny splinters when I walk barefoot. Its nice that you don't have to stain it every year or two, but the downside is you can't paint or stain it to give it a fresh look after 5-10 years. I don't know how it would hold up in florida, but find a 5-10 year old deck to inspect before you believe the marketing hype about trex.

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Re: rotting deck
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2016, 09:46:46 PM »
I have a synthetic deck (trex is one of many brands - be sure to shop around) that has held up well in the sun and seasons in Alaska.  It might not look perfect after 10 years of use, but I would use it again to avoid the maintenance of a wood deck.  If this deck is near ground level could a concrete patio work?  There are some pretty affordable and reasonable diy acid wash products that could make a nice looking slab for you.

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Re: rotting deck
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2016, 11:54:41 PM »
our climate is different, but we treat our pressure treated deck every 2 years with a oil/stain combo.  its been fine. no break down.  its about 8 years old. we have brutal winters here, and the ice/snow can really be hard on things.

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Re: rotting deck
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2016, 10:56:44 AM »
I'm a big wood lover.

I'd go with an exotic wood.  Ipe is a go-to choice, it's pretty expensive though.

I think Cumaru can be a good option.  Kiln dried Cumaru to be specific (air dried Cumaru isn't very stable.  It can warp, twist, and check.)

You can let it go gray, which some find beautiful anyways, or you can oil it to bring out its rich deep color if you like.