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Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« on: December 20, 2020, 10:34:53 AM »
Hi everyone,

My plan is to build a 16x16 with 10' walls shed-woodworking shop in the Spring. I've been quoted $5500 (wood floor, metal roof,not including insulation/electrical/heating) for materials and labour from a carpenter, which I'll be helping build too to learn how to frame. I was thinking about a garage, but the quote I got, while reasonable, is too much for this house as I'm not sure I'll be here in a few years.

I want to use this as a year-round woodworking shop exclusively (maybe welding at some point but it's not a priority) - I live in northern British Columbia and it's not uncommon for us to get -30 weather during the winter with 10-15cm of snow dumps common. I'm feeling a little over my head with the order-of-operations in terms of building this, and I should pay attention to specifically to get the most longevity out of it - stuff like how to prep the ground beneath it, durable siding, how much overhang the roof has, insulation, what to heat it with, running electrical, etc. It will have 1 man door, 1 double-door, and many outlets - I'm thinking an outlet every 3 feet, with 4 overhead lights and dust collection.

What is the order of operations in getting this built? Is it tricky to lift a 10' wall? Please give me things to consider, thanks everyone!

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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2020, 11:54:45 AM »
Since you seem interested in the subject but are just starting out, a book is the best way to gain a comprehensive understanding.  Here’s one that might fit the bill:

Ultimate Guide: Barns, Sheds & Outbuildings, Updated 4th Edition, Plan/Design/Build: Step-by-Step Building and Design Instructions Plus Plans to Build More Than 100 Outbuildings (Creative Homeowner) Paperback – Illustrated, August 13, 2019

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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2020, 08:22:58 PM »
Thanks! I ordered 2 books from the library on building sheds. Picking up tomorrow.

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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2020, 11:02:03 PM »
First step with a 16x16 workshop is to double or triple the size.  You run out of room quick.  I do understand if that is what you can fit in your space right now. 

I have no idea what the cost of building materials in Canada is right now, but lumber in the U.S. is extremely expensive right now.  A single 2x4 stud is over $5.00 right now.   $5500 (canadian) sounds pretty reasonable to me.   

I was contemplating a wooden shed just a couple of weeks ago for storage.  A 12'x12' was getting close to 4 grand with me doing all the work. 


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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2020, 06:42:48 AM »
Make sure the floor will actually handle the loads you will be putting on it.  If you are going to do hand tools, you will have a lot where your workbench is, chopping mortises and such.  If you are going to use power tools, those things can get heavy.  Back when I had a table saw, I stored it in a 12X16 shed with a wood floor for a while.  You could actually see the plywood decking bow.

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2020, 07:37:45 AM »
Is this going to be a permanent structure with a foundation or just a cheap shed sitting atop the ground?

You mention welding.  16x16 Will rapidly fill with smoke if you don't have an exhaust system and a wood floor / wood interior is a bad idea.

First order of business its to see if there are any restrictions against what you intend to do, or if permits are required.   

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2020, 08:27:42 AM »
First step with a 16x16 workshop is to double or triple the size.  You run out of room quick.  I do understand if that is what you can fit in your space right now. 
I had exactly the same thought.  If you're running any sort of 8-foot-long stock through a table saw, you need more than 16 feet of space.  IMO one dimension should be at least 20', if not more.  Plenty of people work with a smaller space, or find other solutions (like track saws for plywood).

Another thought:  you're not sure how long you will live here, so you'll want to consider resale value.  A garage (or extra garage if you already have one) will appeal to a larger pool of buyers than something that can only be used as a workshop.

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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2020, 09:21:50 AM »
Well, you start from the ground and work your way up!
Excavation.
Foundation.
Rain drains, footing drains, under floor plumbing
Floor framing and sheathing.
Wall framing and sheathing.
Roof framing and sheathing.
Roof installation.
Window and door installation.
Siding.
HVAC
Plumbing
Electrical
Insulation
Drywall, or equivalent
Flooring
Finish carpentry
Paint

That's the order to build a house; skip the steps you aren't using.
16 x 16 is awful small. The house I just finished had a 24 x 24 garage, it was a decent size for a shop.
Build in increments of 4' for maximum efficiency.
Yes, ten foot high walls are needed for good clearance inside. If you pre sheet the walks with 1/2" plywood you will need wall jacks to lift them. I use wall jacks even on smaller walls because of the wear and tear on my body, I don't lift heavy things anymore.
The simplest structure to build would be a shed roof. Make sure the rafters are strong enough to span the width of the shop.
Find a cheap plan online ($3-400.00 or so), this will make your life easier when pulling your permits. It's easy to draw a site plan yourself.
Overhangs? Yes. 2' is good.
Also, my first shop was quite small (12x20); I built a big carport type structure off the double doors, it was invaluable storage for materials, etc. I built a kitchen's worth of cabinets in that tiny shop but as I built them I had to store them under the carport since there was no room in the shop.
Books that helped me years (uh, decades, uhh many decades!) ago were published by Taunton Press (Fine Homebuilding magazine). They had a good one about setting up a shop, ideas on where to place tools for work flow, lots of shop porn pics, etc.
The smaller the shop, the more organized you need to be.

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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2020, 09:23:07 AM »
First step with a 16x16 workshop is to double or triple the size.  You run out of room quick.  I do understand if that is what you can fit in your space right now. 
I had exactly the same thought.  If you're running any sort of 8-foot-long stock through a table saw, you need more than 16 feet of space.  IMO one dimension should be at least 20', if not more.  Plenty of people work with a smaller space, or find other solutions (like track saws for plywood).

Another thought:  you're not sure how long you will live here, so you'll want to consider resale value.  A garage (or extra garage if you already have one) will appeal to a larger pool of buyers than something that can only be used as a workshop.
Agree with this and fishindude.

Go bigger.  Dig a footer and pour a pad.  Insulate your pad. 

Consider radiant in floor heating.  A lot of heating sources add moisture into the space and I would hesitate to have that with my shop tools there.  Plus forced air systems mess with dust and can really ruin your projects when they’re drying with the finish. 

Sounds like you’ll need a sub panel out there with what you have planned. 

Most of the rest of your questions are regular construction type questions.  Check out matt risinger’s channel on YouTube for some, in your case, overkill building practices.   In general, keep water out, keep air out, control vapor, and then stop heat transfer. 


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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2020, 09:45:35 AM »
A large shed or small garage is pretty easy to build if you are keeping it simple. Lots and lots of YouTube videos out there as well that can give you an idea of what is involved.

Kens Karpentry focuses on garages
https://youtube.com/user/ken311953

My wife and I built a 12x16 shed on a reinforced slab foundation over a months worth of weekends the hardest part was shingles and digging the ground by hand for the foundation. Would have been easier if I could have gone with a metal roof but HOA rules required asphalt shingles to math our residence.

For a building that size I would buy premade trusses just for simplicity, stick frame the walls with 2x6 studs 16” OC and do metal roofing.

If you check with local lumber yards they sometimes have plans for sheds or garages and sell everything you need such as trusses. You can also find plans online that might help.

Foundation, roof pitch and other things will depend on your local area, local codes and if you are in an HOA or not so you will need to do some research.


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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2020, 10:05:58 AM »
A large shed or small garage is pretty easy to build if you are keeping it simple. Lots and lots of YouTube videos out there as well that can give you an idea of what is involved.

Kens Karpentry focuses on garages
https://youtube.com/user/ken311953

My wife and I built a 12x16 shed on a reinforced slab foundation over a months worth of weekends the hardest part was shingles and digging the ground by hand for the foundation. Would have been easier if I could have gone with a metal roof but HOA rules required asphalt shingles to math our residence.

For a building that size I would buy premade trusses just for simplicity, stick frame the walls with 2x6 studs 16” OC and do metal roofing.

If you check with local lumber yards they sometimes have plans for sheds or garages and sell everything you need such as trusses. You can also find plans online that might help.

Foundation, roof pitch and other things will depend on your local area, local codes and if you are in an HOA or not so you will need to do some research.


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2x6 construction for a garage/shed/workshop?  Given lumber prices right now, it’s 2x4’s all the way.  Especially with this being an outbuilding.

You can meet your insulation requirements with exterior insulation on 2x4’s. 


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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2020, 10:22:59 AM »
A large shed or small garage is pretty easy to build if you are keeping it simple. Lots and lots of YouTube videos out there as well that can give you an idea of what is involved.

Kens Karpentry focuses on garages
https://youtube.com/user/ken311953

My wife and I built a 12x16 shed on a reinforced slab foundation over a months worth of weekends the hardest part was shingles and digging the ground by hand for the foundation. Would have been easier if I could have gone with a metal roof but HOA rules required asphalt shingles to math our residence.

For a building that size I would buy premade trusses just for simplicity, stick frame the walls with 2x6 studs 16” OC and do metal roofing.

If you check with local lumber yards they sometimes have plans for sheds or garages and sell everything you need such as trusses. You can also find plans online that might help.

Foundation, roof pitch and other things will depend on your local area, local codes and if you are in an HOA or not so you will need to do some research.


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2x6 construction for a garage/shed/workshop?  Given lumber prices right now, it’s 2x4’s all the way.  Especially with this being an outbuilding.

You can meet your insulation requirements with exterior insulation on 2x4’s. 


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I have always just gone with 2x6 over 2x4 as the cost difference is not that huge and it allows me to have more insulation or store things in the wall stud cavities easier.

Looking at Home Depot 10ft length $8.36 VS $12.84 right now so harder to justify. Would have to see what local lumber yards are running. Right now probably around a ~$300 difference to go with the 2x6 over 2x4?


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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2020, 11:22:38 AM »
Welding with a wooden floor?  Full stop.

Beyond that, that's really small.  I have a shed that's bigger than that's about that size (12x20) and it would be pretty small for work.  I store stuff in it.  I also have a 24x36' garage, which is big enough to work in and store a few cars.

Build a real garage with a concrete floor.

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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2020, 03:37:57 PM »
You guys rock - thanks for all the responses! I talked with my buddy who's gunna build it with me - I'm only going to be at this house another year or so; so I'm going to scale it back to something like a 10x10. I wouldn't get the money out of it that I would need to put into it.

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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2020, 04:14:03 PM »
You guys rock - thanks for all the responses! I talked with my buddy who's gunna build it with me - I'm only going to be at this house another year or so; so I'm going to scale it back to something like a 10x10. I wouldn't get the money out of it that I would need to put into it.
10x10 is pretty small, even smaller than most sheds I have seen. It really would not be much more expense or effort to make it 10x12 (common shed size) or even a little larger.

And maybe extend the roof out a little to give you some covered area to work.

Look at adventures in diy 10x12 shed on YouTube for an example of an easy design (I prefer a slab vs joist for the floor IMO it is easier)


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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2020, 10:27:24 PM »
You guys rock - thanks for all the responses! I talked with my buddy who's gunna build it with me - I'm only going to be at this house another year or so; so I'm going to scale it back to something like a 10x10. I wouldn't get the money out of it that I would need to put into it.

If you only need the space for a short amount of time, can you find a small shop space somewhere nearby to rent? This seems like a lot of effort with very little payoff...unless you are planning to take your shed with you when you move?

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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2020, 04:19:44 AM »
You guys rock - thanks for all the responses! I talked with my buddy who's gunna build it with me - I'm only going to be at this house another year or so; so I'm going to scale it back to something like a 10x10. I wouldn't get the money out of it that I would need to put into it.

If you only need the space for a short amount of time, can you find a small shop space somewhere nearby to rent? This seems like a lot of effort with very little payoff...unless you are planning to take your shed with you when you move?

X2. For a timeframe of just a couple of years, renting really seems like the best option. Particularly with current material pricing.

A basic shed build isn't that expensive, but by the time you insulate it, and add a bunch of electrical/lighting and insulation/HVAC you really start to shell out some dough because you're basically building a small house.

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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2020, 05:34:30 AM »
You guys rock - thanks for all the responses! I talked with my buddy who's gunna build it with me - I'm only going to be at this house another year or so; so I'm going to scale it back to something like a 10x10. I wouldn't get the money out of it that I would need to put into it.

Given these requirements I would buy a prefabbed unit that sits on skids. They can be trucked in and pulled into place with a small utility loading vehicle. If you try to build this on a permanent foundation, just the depth of concrete to get below frost line will kill any budget you want to give to this. Also stick building it, even if you build it on skids, will likely cost more than a prefab unit. None of this will include insulating and heating the building which will cost quite a bit more money to get started. 

 Personally, for less than a year, I would just weld outside weather permitting in the driveway and put your welder on a mobile cart that can be put inside out of the weather when not in use. Then when you get to a more permanent location, I would then look at building a dedicated shop.

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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2020, 08:26:04 AM »
A large shed or small garage is pretty easy to build if you are keeping it simple. Lots and lots of YouTube videos out there as well that can give you an idea of what is involved.

Kens Karpentry focuses on garages
https://youtube.com/user/ken311953

My wife and I built a 12x16 shed on a reinforced slab foundation over a months worth of weekends the hardest part was shingles and digging the ground by hand for the foundation. Would have been easier if I could have gone with a metal roof but HOA rules required asphalt shingles to math our residence.

For a building that size I would buy premade trusses just for simplicity, stick frame the walls with 2x6 studs 16” OC and do metal roofing.

If you check with local lumber yards they sometimes have plans for sheds or garages and sell everything you need such as trusses. You can also find plans online that might help.

Foundation, roof pitch and other things will depend on your local area, local codes and if you are in an HOA or not so you will need to do some research.


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2x6 construction for a garage/shed/workshop?  Given lumber prices right now, it’s 2x4’s all the way.  Especially with this being an outbuilding.

You can meet your insulation requirements with exterior insulation on 2x4’s. 


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I have always just gone with 2x6 over 2x4 as the cost difference is not that huge and it allows me to have more insulation or store things in the wall stud cavities easier.

Looking at Home Depot 10ft length $8.36 VS $12.84 right now so harder to justify. Would have to see what local lumber yards are running. Right now probably around a ~$300 difference to go with the 2x6 over 2x4?

The way I see it, structurally 2x4 is plenty strong for a single-story workshop - heck my two story home is 2x4' and over 100 years old.
For insulation purposes, you are far better off putting that money into a double-layer of exterior insulation (e.g. 2 x 2" XPS). As a non-habitable wood-shop it's most likely exempt from building codes, but to follow them the IBC requires R-13 in the walls + R-10 exterior continuous (zones 6-8).  You'll get the greatest bang for your buck with more continuous.  You don't gain much by going thicker studs.

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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2020, 08:29:21 AM »
Ten by ten??? Jeez, just nail some pallets together I guess.
Get a Tuff shed then sell it when you move.


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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2020, 08:38:16 AM »
Hi everyone,

My plan is to build a 16x16 with 10' walls shed-woodworking shop in the Spring.

Depending on what you plan to do in the workshop, how many tools you plan to use, and whether you can use outdoor space that you can easily use, 16x16 is going to disappear quickly.

As an example my table saw is ~3 feet deep. Lumber (and sheet goods) commonly come in 8 foot lengths. At minimum to rip an 8 foot board you will need 8 feet for out feet, 8 feet for infeed, about 2 feet on the table saw without contacting the blade, and probably 1 or 2 feet on either end for yourself; that 8+8+2+(1 or 2)+(1 or 2) = 20 to 22 feet of interior space. You will need to add the thickness of your wall assembly (2x6 with sheathing would probably be another foot total). And that is assuming there is nothing to prevent you from using every inch of interior space. In reality tools take up a good bit of space, add it shelves, work benches, and other storage that it might become ... well you get the idea.

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I've been quoted $5500 (wood floor, metal roof,not including insulation/electrical/heating) for materials and labour from a carpenter, which I'll be helping build too to learn how to frame. I was thinking about a garage, but the quote I got, while reasonable, is too much for this house as I'm not sure I'll be here in a few years.

Honestly, if that 5500 is CAD, from a US price prospective that quote doesn't seem bad. If buy a similar sq/ft shed kit at HD I'd be left with 1,200 to 1,300 USD to pay someone to build it for me and for any additional materials not included in the kit.

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I want to use this as a year-round woodworking shop exclusively (maybe welding at some point but it's not a priority)

I would separate those two activities as much as reasonably possible. Saw dust burns and metal rust. Buddy of mine too up welding and it is a miracle he didn't burn his workshop down from welding, but the metal filings from grinding did result in lovely rust spots on his lumber.


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I live in northern British Columbia and it's not uncommon for us to get -30 weather during the winter with 10-15cm of snow dumps common.

Sounds like you are in for a quite a few additional expenses beyond the quote to be comfortable, at least in terms of insulation and air sealing upgrades and heating system.

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I'm feeling a little over my head with the order-of-operations in terms of building this,

You are on the right path, for me the largest part of a project of this scope, especially one I haven't undertaken before, in research, design, and planning.

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and I should pay attention to specifically to get the most longevity out of it

The best built unit with the best longevity is going to cost a good bit of money above a basic shed drafty shed with T-111 siding.

Only you can decide if that is worth the cost, but considering you do not want to build a garage partially because you are not certain you will be where you are in a couple years.

As an aside, if your time frame is a couple years I am not sure DIY is a good option. Planning, learning, and actually building is going to take a good bit of time. In my experience at least twice as long as I think and usually more like 3 times. That is likely to add up to a good bit of the time you have left. The extra cost to have it built quicker or, as suggested, finding a temporary alternative solution might be best.

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stuff like how to prep the ground beneath it, durable siding, how much overhang the roof has, insulation, what to heat it with, running electrical, etc. It will have 1 man door, 1 double-door, and many outlets - I'm thinking an outlet every 3 feet, with 4 overhead lights and dust collection.

The sky's the limit. Foundations could be anything from PT sleepers on the ground to a poured frost proof shallow foundation and there is a lot in between.

I would encourage you to consider the overhang, siding, weather barrier, and insulation as all one system. The greater the overhang the less water that will reach the siding, the better the siding the less water will get to the weather barrier, the better the weather barrier the less moisture that will find its way into the wood behind the barrier, and the less moisture that get that far the less that will have to dry to the inside. (and if it cannot dry due to insulation or wall covering it will rot).

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What is the order of operations in getting this built? Is it tricky to lift a 10' wall? Please give me things to consider, thanks everyone!

From the bottom up j/k. As I said you are doing the most important thing now, which is what feels like way too much research and planning and likely multiple revisions.

First thing I would do is find out what you are allowed to do in your area. You've mentioned HVAC and electrical work. Are you allowed to do those yourself in your area? If not are you willing to risk getting caught?

Second, figure out the minimum how well you have to build it with regards to wind and snow load and local zoning and building codes (if they exist).

Third, figure out how you will use it and what you will put in it. I would take some graph paper, but you can do it in software. and place everything (band saw, table saw, drill press, planer, jointer, shelves with hand tools, work benches, lumber storage, dust collector, space for the dog, and on and on) you may every want to put in there and look at workflow. I work in a 12 x 24 space and all of my tools are on wheels. I have to swap them around constantly when dealing with larger stock.

Fourth, be honest with yourself about how much you are willing to spend and realize that if you are building it yourself the little things you won't think of will collectively add to the cost a good bit. A basic shed kit on the ground with a few earth screws to resist tipping over will be the least costly, an insulated concrete slab with good overhangs, spray foam walls, better weather barriers, heat pump for heat, and other upgrades is going to be a lot more money.(and a lot more skills for you to learn, which means more time to completion and less type till your hypothetical move is a couple years).

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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2020, 09:11:08 AM »
You guys rock - thanks for all the responses! I talked with my buddy who's gunna build it with me - I'm only going to be at this house another year or so; so I'm going to scale it back to something like a 10x10. I wouldn't get the money out of it that I would need to put into it.

If you're only going with a 10x10, you can get a shed in a box from the hardware store.  I bought a 10x14 from Lowes' for $500 a few years ago, assembly was fairly easy, only needed a second person for a few things.  My plan was to use it as a workshop for a year or two, but then I moved to a house with an attached garage that I used instead.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Arrow-Common-10-ft-x-14-ft-Interior-Dimensions-9-85-ft-x-13-125-ft-Lexington-Galvanized-Steel-Storage-Shed/1001417650

Looks like they're up to $580 now.  And with the gabled roof, plenty of space to stand up. 

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Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2020, 09:37:07 AM »
A large shed or small garage is pretty easy to build if you are keeping it simple. Lots and lots of YouTube videos out there as well that can give you an idea of what is involved.

Kens Karpentry focuses on garages
https://youtube.com/user/ken311953

My wife and I built a 12x16 shed on a reinforced slab foundation over a months worth of weekends the hardest part was shingles and digging the ground by hand for the foundation. Would have been easier if I could have gone with a metal roof but HOA rules required asphalt shingles to math our residence.

For a building that size I would buy premade trusses just for simplicity, stick frame the walls with 2x6 studs 16” OC and do metal roofing.

If you check with local lumber yards they sometimes have plans for sheds or garages and sell everything you need such as trusses. You can also find plans online that might help.

Foundation, roof pitch and other things will depend on your local area, local codes and if you are in an HOA or not so you will need to do some research.


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2x6 construction for a garage/shed/workshop?  Given lumber prices right now, it’s 2x4’s all the way.  Especially with this being an outbuilding.

You can meet your insulation requirements with exterior insulation on 2x4’s. 


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I have always just gone with 2x6 over 2x4 as the cost difference is not that huge and it allows me to have more insulation or store things in the wall stud cavities easier.

Looking at Home Depot 10ft length $8.36 VS $12.84 right now so harder to justify. Would have to see what local lumber yards are running. Right now probably around a ~$300 difference to go with the 2x6 over 2x4?

The way I see it, structurally 2x4 is plenty strong for a single-story workshop - heck my two story home is 2x4' and over 100 years old.
For insulation purposes, you are far better off putting that money into a double-layer of exterior insulation (e.g. 2 x 2" XPS). As a non-habitable wood-shop it's most likely exempt from building codes, but to follow them the IBC requires R-13 in the walls + R-10 exterior continuous (zones 6-8).  You'll get the greatest bang for your buck with more continuous.  You don't gain much by going thicker studs.
2x4 is fine like you said most houses are built with them.

Guess I am just old and stuck in my ways the old standard of insulation on the inside just seems easier or less complicated for a novice and is how I was taught in building construction in school. Switching out to a 2x6 is no additional work and allows for extra insulation so that is what I have always done.

Even the house we were having built 5 years ago was done this way and that was a large national builder. All of the houses I see going up around here are also built with studs, house wrap on the outside and insulation between the studs on the inside and that is it. Not sure they would build a house non compliant with the IBC...

The builds I have watched with exterior insulation just seem complicated especially for a shed or small garage.


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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2020, 10:33:19 AM »
A large shed or small garage is pretty easy to build if you are keeping it simple. Lots and lots of YouTube videos out there as well that can give you an idea of what is involved.

Kens Karpentry focuses on garages
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My wife and I built a 12x16 shed on a reinforced slab foundation over a months worth of weekends the hardest part was shingles and digging the ground by hand for the foundation. Would have been easier if I could have gone with a metal roof but HOA rules required asphalt shingles to math our residence.

For a building that size I would buy premade trusses just for simplicity, stick frame the walls with 2x6 studs 16” OC and do metal roofing.

If you check with local lumber yards they sometimes have plans for sheds or garages and sell everything you need such as trusses. You can also find plans online that might help.

Foundation, roof pitch and other things will depend on your local area, local codes and if you are in an HOA or not so you will need to do some research.


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2x6 construction for a garage/shed/workshop?  Given lumber prices right now, it’s 2x4’s all the way.  Especially with this being an outbuilding.

You can meet your insulation requirements with exterior insulation on 2x4’s. 


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I have always just gone with 2x6 over 2x4 as the cost difference is not that huge and it allows me to have more insulation or store things in the wall stud cavities easier.

Looking at Home Depot 10ft length $8.36 VS $12.84 right now so harder to justify. Would have to see what local lumber yards are running. Right now probably around a ~$300 difference to go with the 2x6 over 2x4?

The way I see it, structurally 2x4 is plenty strong for a single-story workshop - heck my two story home is 2x4' and over 100 years old.
For insulation purposes, you are far better off putting that money into a double-layer of exterior insulation (e.g. 2 x 2" XPS). As a non-habitable wood-shop it's most likely exempt from building codes, but to follow them the IBC requires R-13 in the walls + R-10 exterior continuous (zones 6-8).  You'll get the greatest bang for your buck with more continuous.  You don't gain much by going thicker studs.
2x4 is fine like you said most houses are built with them.

Guess I am just old and stuck in my ways the old standard of insulation on the inside just seems easier or less complicated for a novice and is how I was taught in building construction in school. Switching out to a 2x6 is no additional work and allows for extra insulation so that is what I have always done.

Even the house we were having built 5 years ago was done this way and that was a large national builder. All of the houses I see going up around here are also built with studs, house wrap on the outside and insulation between the studs on the inside and that is it. Not sure they would build a house non compliant with the IBC...

The builds I have watched with exterior insulation just seem complicated especially for a shed or small garage.


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If you look at the code for insulation, you’ll usually see 2 options.  The in cavity R-value or in cavity + exterior.  In my zone, it’s r-20 or r-13+5. 

And I believe 2x4 is rated for 16”oc for 3 story.  If you go with “smart framing” at 24”oc, you need to move to 2x6’s for 2 and 3 story. 

So for most sfh, 2x4 is more than adequate. 


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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2020, 11:10:14 AM »
Oh and to add, if I’m building my house, new construction, I’m building with 2x6’s and having exterior insulation. 

But most of my places are 2x4’s. The addition I’m building is 2x4 because that’s how the footer and header were already built (old screened in porch).   Garages, sheds, outbuildings? 2x4’s. 


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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2020, 07:53:25 AM »
+1 For simply purchasing a pre-made shed and having it delivered.
Since you won't be there long, you can take it with you when you go, or won't be out a lot of $$ if you just leave it behind.

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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2020, 11:20:19 AM »
This thread is awesome, thanks Pals.

It looks like Bigblock's suggestion of the 14x10 shed from Lowe's is the best idea with consideration I'll only be here a bit. Is there anything I can do to this to ensure the tools won't rust inside? I'd probably limit my woodworking to Summer with the door open, but it would be nice to clear my tools from my cramped basement..

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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2020, 02:01:20 PM »
This thread is awesome, thanks Pals.

It looks like Bigblock's suggestion of the 14x10 shed from Lowe's is the best idea with consideration I'll only be here a bit. Is there anything I can do to this to ensure the tools won't rust inside? I'd probably limit my woodworking to Summer with the door open, but it would be nice to clear my tools from my cramped basement..

Tools rusting are a result of 2 factors, humidity and temperature.

If you control humidity there will be no moisture to cause rust.

Temperature is secondary to humidity, if the tools get cold and then the surrounding air warms up they can become a condensing surface.

If the tools you are worried about are the ones with steel tables (saws and the like) I just keep them coated with paste wax.

I suppose you could put some time into air sealing the shed and then run a dehumidifier that drains to the outside.

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« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2020, 04:08:57 PM »
Not sure if this actually does much, but I always take those silica packets from stuff and throw them in my tool boxes and bags.  I figure as a desiccant, it should do something.   I’ve never had problems unless I accidentally leave something out overnight or longer. 


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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2020, 05:34:24 AM »
Is there anything I can do to this to ensure the tools won't rust inside? I'd probably limit my woodworking to Summer with the door open, but it would be nice to clear my tools from my cramped basement..

I wouldn't put anything you're truly concerned about in an unconditioned space. A light coat of oil or spray lubricant where appropriate and some desiccant packets can't hurt though.

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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2020, 06:19:55 AM »
You can get mineral oil at the drug store. My shop is in the basement and rather humid, I just wipe down my tools with mineral oil at the end of the day. 

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Re: Order of operations for building a 16x16 workshop?
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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2021, 07:36:43 PM »
We are just finishing an 8x12 multipurpose shed/cabin. One consideration for us was the building code - anything over 10 sq meters (107.64 sq ft) requires a building permit in our municipality.

Not sure how a pre-built structure works with that.

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Jumping the shark here, but that made me feel old. I've never heard that, I learned "please excuse my dear aunt sally" and then I realized that's partially because email was in its infancy when I learned PEMDAS. Also, I do not know the device now for the planets now that Pluto is not a planet.

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« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2021, 02:01:39 PM »
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