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new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« on: October 22, 2012, 03:31:19 PM »
Hi guys,

Searched around but didn't see any posts about painting.  I am very new to DIY projects, but would like to paint a few walls in our living room and bedroom.  Just planning on basic colors (no patterns or textures).  I figured I'd watch a few youtube videos, buy some basic equipment (paint+rollers+bucket?), and let loose...

I know it sounds very simple, but as I'm a big fan of MMM, I figured I'd run this by the community - any suggestions for good tutorials/howtos?  Or cheap painting gear advice?  Gotchas to look out for?

Thanks

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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2012, 03:43:21 PM »
I am FAR from a do-it-yourselfer, but I did paint my own interior walls when I bought my house.  Advice:

Spend the time prepping the walls.  Spackle in the old holes and sand them, down to the littlest. 

Make sure you choose a nice flat finish paint.  I made this mistake and suffered the shiny aftermath until I redid it.

Take your time, when you try to hurry that's when you tip over a tray of paint or drip on your trim.  Not that I've done that.

My favorite tool of all time is a little square thingy that paints around door and window trim, it didn't cost very much and was a huge help.  This:

http://www.amazon.com/Shur-Line-500-Premium-Paint-Edger/dp/B0001MQI9E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350942080&sr=8-1&keywords=paint+edger+tool

And that's all I've got. 

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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2012, 03:51:00 PM »
Some people sneer at the paint edger tool that KulshanGirl suggested, but I swear by it too.  I just don't have a steady enough hand to do a good job cutting in.  You do have to use the edger carefully though, making sure that you don't (for example) accidentally get paint on the wheels (not that I've done that - *eyeroll*), and blotting it to get just the right amount of paint on it.  Make sure that you either put down drop cloths or at least make sure that you put the paint tray on something.  Paint the ceiling first if you're planning on painting it.  And if you're not - are you sure?  Once the walls are freshly painted there's a good chance the ceiling will look kind of dingy. 
 
But the best advice I can suggest is to see if a friend or family member is available to help you paint, maybe in exchange for you helping them with a project.  It's good to work with someone who can show you the basics, to have someone there to help move furniture back and forth, to hand you something so you don't have to come down from the ladder, to have one person cutting in and the other rolling, etc.  And besides, it's just more fun to work with someone else! 

Another essential piece of painting equipment, IMO - a radio!  Good music always helps the job go faster and more enjoyably.

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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2012, 03:53:36 PM »
There is no better workout for your arms and shoulders that painting a ceiling.  I don't think I will ever paint my ceiling again, no matter how bad it gets to looking.  :)

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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2012, 04:48:24 PM »
Thanks guys for the helpful tips.  Glad I'm not considering painting the ceiling.

Paint edger definitely sounds like it would be helpful.  The more focused I am on steadying my hands, the more shaky they seem to be.

And I am (unfortunately) someone who tends to be impatient... move fast and break things... but even I can see how taking the time to do it right will save a ton of aggravation and possibly money later.  Not to mention the wife would never let me paint again.

Probably won't have a chance for the next couple weeks or so, but will update afterward.

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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2012, 05:04:01 PM »
Spend the time prepping the walls.  Spackle in the old holes and sand them, down to the littlest. 
A thousand time this. You want your walls to be smoother than baby skin. We repainted all our walls in white last summer and I can attest that the ceiling is by far the most challenging.

We used a special base coat paint first, and then exactly 3 coats of regular, professional-grade paint at 24 hours interval. Expensive but worth it. Keep your rolls clean at all times and sand imperfections after each coat once it's dry. Use a smaller brush in the corners and apply smoothly; this is where you can tell the amateurs from the pros.

I painted in my underwear with music by chunks of 2 hours, which made it more bearable.

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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2012, 05:08:38 PM »
Good prepping will go a long way. Besides taking miscellaneous nails/hangers and spackling all holes (and waiting for all spackle to be dry), check to see if the paint needs scraping or if the wall is dusty. If the wall is dusty/dirty, clean it first (your paint won't adhere as well otherwise). Go to the hardware store and invest in blue painter's tape - it's a godsend. Put it along the areas you don't want to paint (baseboards, ceilings, etc). Paint up to/over the tape, wait until it dries, then carefully remove the tape. Works every time.

Since you've never painted before, you'll need a roller and pan, a clean stirring stick (usually free w/ the paint), a paint can opener (screwdriver works as well but it is a handy tool), and one or two handbrushes. Get decent quality tools - the cheap stuff won't roll as well, cheap brushes will lose their hairs as you paint.

When you paint, be sure to overlap your swatches by at least a quarter. It's better to overpaint than to have to repaint an area. Depending on what color you are covering, you may need a primer coat or two - talk to the paint people when you get your paint.

And definitely take your time. It's better to go slow than too fast. It really can be an enjoyable process if you just go with the flow. And be sure to let one coat dry before trying to apply another. Oh - and keep the kids and all pets out of the room until everything is dry.

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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2012, 05:12:11 PM »
There is no better workout for your arms and shoulders that painting a ceiling.  I don't think I will ever paint my ceiling again, no matter how bad it gets to looking.  :)

Spend the $12 on an extender pole. It screws right into the end of the roller, and also makes walls a LOT easier. You only need a ladder for cutting-in. :)

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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2012, 05:17:25 PM »
One more thing on roller technique:  When you get paint on the roller and roll it over the bumps of the tray to distribute it better, give the roller a tip to the side and roll the outer edge over the bumps a couple of times to get some of the paint off that edge.  Most of my messy drips happened when I didn't do that.

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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2012, 05:19:07 PM »
I want to paint my kitchen again now.  :)

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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2012, 05:49:06 PM »
People sneer at the paint edger tool? What's wrong with them. I swear by that thing too.

I do all my painting too. I second the prepping. Also, you will never regret time spent covering the floor, taping off various areas. When I moved in to my current place I bought a roll of contractors paper and spent what felt like a week, taping it all down. It made such a difference.

I also "invested" in one of those canvas tarps when I did the bedroom last month. I used to go with the plastic ones, but they're really light and always getting caught up in the ladder.

REMOVE THE PAINTERS TAPE BEFORE THE PAINT DRIES.

There is no way to stress this enough and I really wish someone had told me. A year in and I'm still finding bits of painters tape stuck to the wall.

I love this blog, and he has some great tips on painting (he's totally right about the ceiling too) http://manhattan-nest.com/2011/11/10/i-like-all-colors-that-are-black-or-white/
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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2012, 06:55:46 PM »
All of the above!
And, don't step in the paint can or tray! (Really, it's easy to do)
I know Mustachians shouldn't have plastic shopping bags...but if you do, you can wrap your rollers and brushes in them, even overnight, between coats. Cleanup is the worst part!

Last, joint compound is water soluble. If you spackle, you can cheat on some of your sanding by rubbing with a damp cloth.

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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2012, 03:34:56 PM »
thanks guys, a lot of great stuff here.

Something I was looking at - as sort of a starter's guide - is a link detailing the various materials I'd need: http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/shoppers-guide-essentials-for-painting-a-room-178570

I think they lay out the groups of tools well.

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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2012, 03:47:36 PM »
Nice list. I would never pour a whole gallon into a paint tray. NUTS! I like paint tray liners, but latex paint is fairly easy to peel off of a paint tray when dry.

They talk about buying a drop cloth and then re-purposing it for something else. I say, save it as a drop cloth to be used again and again! OR, repurpose something else for a drop cloth. I've used holey sheets and newspapers in the past. (Both can be a bitch and a hazard if they are slipping or bunching, so I like my drop cloth).

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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2012, 08:21:11 PM »
I agree about the paint edger, but as you get better you'll get more impatient with it. In a lot of cases I find it more of a pain than it's worth. It's easier to just wipe up the drips! I usually do the trim first (our whole house needs the trim to be painted, since the previous owners painted the trim the same as the wall! blech!) so it's shinier for wiping (if no one mentioned it, use a semi-gloss on the trim if you're painting it, flat on the wall or a glossier one in bathrooms/kitchen/hallways for easier cleaning). What was I saying? Oh, keep a damp paper towel nearby for the drips - you should be able to wipe anything while it's wet except carpet. I rarely use dropcloths anymore, I'm just careful!

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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2012, 08:58:01 PM »
If you are trying to go with a darker colour (or trying to cover a dark colour) you really can't beat the paint and primer in one.  I like the Behr brand.  It is more costly, but you'll save yourself at least one coat.  We did a dark blue feature wall in our room, and we didn't get the paint and primer, and we had to do about 5 coats.  Huge time waster, IMHO.

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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2012, 09:07:02 PM »
If you are trying to go with a darker colour (or trying to cover a dark colour) you really can't beat the paint and primer in one.  I like the Behr brand.  It is more costly, but you'll save yourself at least one coat.  We did a dark blue feature wall in our room, and we didn't get the paint and primer, and we had to do about 5 coats.  Huge time waster, IMHO.
 
 
I must second this - years ago I painted a room navy blue (on the bottom half of the walls) without using the dark tinted primer that was recommended.  Shudder!  I think I had successfully blocked that memory from my mind until now.  It took many coats to get good coverage. 

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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2012, 04:58:53 AM »
I started painting my bedroom with that edger thing, and I couldn't get it to work evenly.  Plus, in one section, the edging dried before I could go back and do that part of the wall, so there's an obvious line that says "guess who used an edger here?".  Luckily that part of the wall is in a corner and I don't have to look it too often.

I also painted my bedroom ceiling, and even with an extension pole, I wasn't very good at it, and there are obvious lines from the roller dried in places.  Again, luckily the goofs aren't above my bed or anything, so I don't ever look at it.  (when I bought my house, my bedroom was the first thing I painted, so my bedroom is where I made all the novice mistakes).

I am also adept at making a huge mess of myself while painting.  I will back into walls and get huge splotches of paint on my butt, or step in a spill and then leave shoe prints on the carpet.  Make sure you wear clothes that you don't mind ruining, and get some cloth drop clothes.  The plastic ones are cheaper, but they don't absorb your spills, so it's a mess waiting to happen.  Plus, you can always wash and reuse the cloth ones.  Also, TAPE, and remove the tape before the paint dries.  I didn't do that when I painted my bathroom, and the wall/ceiling edge is jagged in some places from where the paint got peeled off along with the tape.  Don't use a lot of paint when doing your edging, otherwise it could leak down underneath the tape, which defeats the whole purpose.

I've painted most of my house over the last few months since I bought it, and you'll get better the more you do it.  But remember, if you  mess up, you can always paint over your mistakes.  :)

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Re: new to DIY home work - first project: painting
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2012, 06:58:08 AM »
Very good tips from everyone!
The only thing I can add is that if you're not happy with how the colour looks on you walls, you can usually bring the paint back and they can't adjust the shade by making it lighter/darker. I've done this a few times and have never been charged.

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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2012, 04:15:56 PM »
Very good tips from everyone!
The only thing I can add is that if you're not happy with how the colour looks on you walls, you can usually bring the paint back and they can't adjust the shade by making it lighter/darker. I've done this a few times and have never been charged.

You can also start out buying a quart (enough for a wall) - and if you like it, get several gallons made up.