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Using Central Vacuum Lines for heating + cooling
« on: August 17, 2019, 01:33:41 PM »
So I moved into an older house in the Maritimes built in 1953 with a 9 foot basement with an oil furnace and a wood furnace.  The main floor has a pellet stove that is newer and was the last owners prime source of heat. 

I know nothing about any of these heating methods.  However I can air circulation is a problem. 

So short term I could remove the Central Vac pipes and get some kind of mini fans to circulate the air with an extra vent system.  The central is near the basement furnaces that feed into the same place.  Or just leave the empty holes with no vent or extra fan. 

Long term I could put a cistern in back of the house and run water that is underground throughout the house year round. 

I have no idea about any of this. But it seemed logical.  In a brief, low effort google search I found nothing about this. 

I seems like a Moustachian thing to do.  So maybe someone has tried? 

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Re: Using Central Vacuum Lines for heating + cooling
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2019, 07:35:40 PM »
Honestly, this is jumping around, and I can't figure out what you've got or what you're trying to do. Here's what I'm picking up:

There's an oil furnace in the basement, no longer in use
Wood furnace in the basement, no longer in use
Pellet stove in main floor, current primary heat source
Central vac is installed throughout the house
Air circulation is a problem in the house

You want to remove the central vac hoses and use the spaces for ducting?

The central vac system I've seen (singular) was not large enough for ventilation ducts to my knowledge. And you would have to insert ducting to use it for heating/cooling, otherwise you'll be breathing crap. Not good.

Beyond that, please provide more clarity.

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Re: Using Central Vacuum Lines for heating + cooling
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2019, 08:57:27 PM »
Yeah, central vac is not going to do what you need for heating/cooling unless you want your HVAC to sound like a server room/leaf blower. There's a reason ducting is normally big in houses -- its so the air can move slowly (quiet and power-efficient) but because of the large cross section, you can still move a lot of air.

There's an additional problem where it all joins up to the vac in that, the vac is only designed to achieve that level of suck at a single vent and isn't likely going to a wider pipe as multiple vents join to the vac tubing. Open multiple and turn it on and you'll probably quickly discover you have no real air motion anywhere.

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Re: Using Central Vacuum Lines for heating + cooling
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2019, 05:33:44 AM »
Yeah, central vac is not going to do what you need for heating/cooling unless you want your HVAC to sound like a server room/leaf blower. There's a reason ducting is normally big in houses -- its so the air can move slowly (quiet and power-efficient) but because of the large cross section, you can still move a lot of air.

There's an additional problem where it all joins up to the vac in that, the vac is only designed to achieve that level of suck at a single vent and isn't likely going to a wider pipe as multiple vents join to the vac tubing. Open multiple and turn it on and you'll probably quickly discover you have no real air motion anywhere.

I was not describing it well.  The Central Vac was put in long after the house was built.  It is in the centre of the house.  With a line to the main floor and a separate one to the top floor. 

I want to remove all the plastic vacuum stuff.  And make the holes in the floor and walls slightly bigger.  Basically using them as metal ducts.  Except it would just be ducts open to the basement and other floors.  Using metal duct work like you do for moving air from furnaces. 

But it would not have much air movement without a fan inside the duct work. 

I want to ise it to exchange air.  Remove all the vacuum parts.  Is there a point though?  How much air will get moved?  It would not cost a lot of material to do it.

The whole using water was probably not a needed part of the question, just longer term, solar panels and a cistern and using water is just a dream.

But every time I see the central vac or the lines... I keep thinking that this no longer used central vac lines through an older house could be useful, as a right of way to move air... or later water.

I did ask the question in a weird open ended way, because perhaps there is a better way to use the space and holes already created.  And maybe someone here has done it or heard of a way to do ot, I have not thought of yet.


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Re: Using Central Vacuum Lines for heating + cooling
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2019, 07:24:34 PM »
You don't know what you're trying to do, we can't help. One sentence which clearly states the end goal.

Examples:
"I want to have central heat/ac in the house, with a gas/electric furnace"
"I want to improve air flow while retaining the pellet stove as the primary heat source"
"I want to convert to hot water heating"

If you want central heat/ac in the house, then it's possible that the existing spaces for the central vac could be enlarged and ducting added. Possible. You'd need to get an HVAC pro out to the house who's good at working with older houses to see if it really is doable. It's not that simple to retrofit a house. Someone did it to my house and it's honestly not great.

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Re: Using Central Vacuum Lines for heating + cooling
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2019, 03:15:41 PM »
Yes the OP sounds crazy. Hire a professional. Put in a proper forced air furnace and proper insulated duct.

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Re: Using Central Vacuum Lines for heating + cooling
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2019, 05:00:57 PM »
central vac lines are probably too small to move a useful amount of air. Plus there are check valve fittings at the walls will need to be dealt with.


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Re: Using Central Vacuum Lines for heating + cooling
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2019, 05:18:34 PM »
Central vac lines are not big enough for air movement for heating/cooling. They are plenty big enough for air movement for 0xygen*. But with your older house likely leaking like a sieve anyway, not sure why that would be necessary.

*Passive houses that are sealed up tight have active ventilation that generally uses ~2 inch PVC to each room.
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Re: Using Central Vacuum Lines for heating + cooling
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2019, 05:46:54 AM »
*Passive houses that are sealed up tight have active ventilation that generally uses ~2 inch PVC to each room.

Going off this thought, I can see where OP might be getting the idea - there are a LOT of old homes around where I live and many have limits on the amount of remodeling that can be done. Most of them, instead of having window or room A/C units have Retrofit A/C systems installed (similar to this https://www.thisoldhouse.com/how-to/retrofit-air-conditioning-using-mini-ducts). These indeed use insulated ~2 inch ducts that feed each room (larger rooms have multiple). They do work, but definitely not with central vac ducting. At best, the central vac lines can be taken out and proper mini ducting can be strung through the same route that the vac lines took.