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bandito

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How to make grout
« on: October 27, 2017, 02:53:18 PM »
I need to fill the cores in a block foundation. I would like to use high strength non shinking grout but the stuff is expensive. I google around a but had no luck at finding the ingredients to make grout. Was wondering if anyone knew the answer. Reason I ask is if the main ingredients are Portland and sand then I can hopefully make it for cheaper.

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Re: How to make grout
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2017, 05:42:22 PM »
I found this link.  Seams to explain it well. I guess 1/3 and a small aggregate stone is optional.

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Re: How to make grout
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2017, 07:43:03 AM »
Block foundation? Like holding up your house or other structure? Are you filling up the inside of the block or the joints between the blocks. 

Why would you not use regular concrete or mason mix type S depending on the job? Give us a bit more information but grout is not what you want based on what I am reading.




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Re: How to make grout
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2017, 10:41:20 AM »
It's a garage. I want to fill the cores (holes) in the blocks where the vertical rebar runs are. From my research grout, concrete and mortar are all the same but the mixes are different. Grout has a higher water content then the other two making it flow better into tighter spaces. I already have a yard of sand and was going to get more type s cement. I wanted to do this way to save some money as the pre mix is alot more money.

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Re: How to make grout
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2017, 10:55:54 AM »
Block foundation? Like holding up your house or other structure? Are you filling up the inside of the block or the joints between the blocks. 

Why would you not use regular concrete or mason mix type S depending on the job? Give us a bit more information but grout is not what you want based on what I am reading.

Grout is actually the correct term. "Grouting cores" is a common and critical step of a lot of block construction, once you get beyond basic residential work. The concept behind the stuff being wetter than a mortar mix is not only for flow, but because the block sucks up a lot of moisture from the mix, leaving a grouted column that shrinks away from the interior walls of the block core, which tend to be frowned upon by inspectors.  When you place the grout be sure to "rod" it vigorously. This involves taking a scrap piece of rebar and aggressively plunging it, up and down, in a grout filled core, to settle the mix in. You will see the level drop, sometimes drastically, as you rod.  I don't know how right or wrong it is, but on most commercial and bigger block jobs I have ever been around, the masons use the same mix to grout and lay block. They often grout in layers, of 4-6 blocks high, and fill the cores as they go.

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Re: How to make grout
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2017, 11:11:26 AM »
It's a garage. I want to fill the cores (holes) in the blocks where the vertical rebar runs are. From my research grout, concrete and mortar are all the same but the mixes are different. Grout has a higher water content then the other two making it flow better into tighter spaces. I already have a yard of sand and was going to get more type s cement. I wanted to do this way to save some money as the pre mix is alot more money.

Ready mix truck?

Maybe I am just lazy! The thought of mixing a bunch of concrete/mortar/grout/Portland cement by hand does not sounds like a fun time to me. Either way good luck!

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Re: How to make grout
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2017, 12:39:50 PM »
Thanks for the replies. Both excellent points.

So does anyone know the correct mix/ratio.  Is 1/4 cement and 3/4 sand correct?  Also I got some 3/8 stone to for filling the larger holes.

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Re: How to make grout
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2017, 07:53:10 AM »
It's a garage. I want to fill the cores (holes) in the blocks where the vertical rebar runs are. From my research grout, concrete and mortar are all the same but the mixes are different. Grout has a higher water content then the other two making it flow better into tighter spaces. I already have a yard of sand and was going to get more type s cement. I wanted to do this way to save some money as the pre mix is alot more money.

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Maybe I am just lazy! The thought of mixing a bunch of concrete/mortar/grout/Portland cement by hand does not sounds like a fun time to me. Either way good luck!

There are times on big block jobs, where the walls are grouted after the fact, using batch plant concrete. This typically involves a concrete pump and a simple funnel that rides along the top of the wall. It essentially is a plywood flower box with tapered sides, open bottom, and a pair of wooden runners that keep it centered on the wall.

When it comes to not having fun, there are contractors in these parts that repair block basements. One of their techniques is to cut "windows" in the block to access the core, then hand fill the core with mortar, and short pieces of rebar, to reinforce a wall that's been pushed back into place.  Every so often I see one of their displays at a fair, look at the little 4" square hole cut  in the block, with the mortar and bar inside and think, "God, that has got to be one shitty way to make a living"