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Blindsquirrel

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   6 inch clay tile about 6 feet down has collapsed. Plumbing co wants $6000 to do it and will be 10 days!

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Re: Has anyone here done a main sewer line replacement? Quick help needed
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2017, 10:41:49 AM »
Yep, been there.  Mine cost 11k back in 2011.  Clay tile over 8 feet down all the way out to the street, in the middle of winter in Denver.  The resulting piles of clay soil the backhoe removed obliterated my landscape so that had to be totally redone in the spring.  It only took 2 days, though.  But when the city inspector came to sign off on it, the new line did not have the required slope!  Same attachment points as the previous one but either it didn't have the slope and nobody knew or something settled.  The standard fix for this is to install a sewage sump with a grinder and pump in the basement floor to raise the house end of the line.  That's what brought it up to the ridiculous price.
My neighbor across the street had his fail a couple years later and they were able to do the type where they make a little hole by your house and another little hole in the middle of the street and push a new line through the old one.  My house was not able to have that for some reason.
Good luck.  That's what an emergency fund is for.

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Re: Has anyone here done a main sewer line replacement? Quick help needed
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2017, 10:43:22 AM »
I had to get this done at one of my previous houses. All they did was dig down to the pipe where it exits the house with a backhoe, clear out the roots from the existing clay pipe with a metal claw on a cable, then ran pvc inside the remaining clay pipe from the house to the main sewer line.

  • You'll need to dig a big enough hole to feed the pvc through the clay pipe (which could be tough by hand)
  • You will have to know exactly how far away the main sewer line is. If you cause any issues the city will come after you for damages.
  • And don't forget about if any gas lines are in the area

I think I remember the price being similar as well and it took two people (and the backhoe) about 6-7 hours to do everything.

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Re: Has anyone here done a main sewer line replacement? Quick help needed
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2017, 11:37:05 AM »
We had Orangeburg pipe that collapsed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orangeburg_pipe Basically wood pulp and tar, looked about as durable as cardboard.

Cost was $5,000 about ten years ago, 4-6 feet down. Not sure why it would take 10 days, ours was one full day, crew with a backhoe.
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Re: Has anyone here done a main sewer line replacement? Quick help needed
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2017, 12:23:27 PM »
If you're talking that they can't get to it for 10 days, I'd get a couple more quotes. But yeah, it'll be expensive.

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Re: Has anyone here done a main sewer line replacement? Quick help needed
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2017, 02:10:45 PM »
   6 inch clay tile about 6 feet down has collapsed. Plumbing co wants $6000 to do it and will be 10 days!

I did my own main line replacement; it's not complicated but it was hard work.  I don't know from your original post if you're contemplating DIY or just asking if the cost is reasonable.  If it's 6' down that is probably a backhoe job, or a big trencher at least.  I replumbed mine under the house (crawl space) by breaking the old cast iron up with a sledgehammer and replacing it with PVC, then dug the main line to the street out by hand and replaced the cast iron with PVC as well.  I only had to do a 20' stretch of trench and it was still hard labor.

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Re: Has anyone here done a main sewer line replacement? Quick help needed
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2017, 02:15:08 PM »
Yep, I had this happen in the first house I owned. Cost to fix the line was around $5500 but total cost was closer to $7000 because we had to redo the sidewalk, level the yard, and sod.

My one suggestion is to take some time and find someone reputable. I was so desperate to have it fixed quickly I just took the contractor who could do it soonest. In the end it was fine, but they weren't particularly careful with the lawn (tore up way more than they should have) and they hit our water main, which had to be replaced (at no cost to us, but still...).

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Re: Has anyone here done a main sewer line replacement? Quick help needed
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2017, 05:06:53 PM »
Had my orangeburg sewer line replaced using a trenchless pipe bursting method for about $5k for a 60-80' run this past summer.

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Re: Has anyone here done a main sewer line replacement? Quick help needed
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2017, 04:39:44 AM »
We had ours done about 2 years ago to the tune of $6000. They had to drill under the concrete driveway. As others have said, find someone reputable. A neighbor found some fly by night guy for $2000 and it had to be redone after a couple of years.

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Re: Has anyone here done a main sewer line replacement? Quick help needed
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2017, 05:31:03 AM »
Sadly, this is an area, like well pump replacement, where some contractors see an opportunity to really screw people over. I know of cases in my area where a contractor has six hours of backhoe time at $7-800 total cost, a few hundred in labor and supplies, and walks away at the end of the day with a check for $5,000.  Personally, I would hire the dirt work out and DIY the repair, but that's not everybody's cup of tea.  In larger construction work, companies avoid getting screwed in dealing with unknown situations like this is to agree to do it as a "time and material" job. This means that all parties involved are billing by the hour and do not have the chance to gouge, assuming that there is competent supervision.

In dealing with this, I would find a reputable plumbing contractor and get a bid for repairing the line, on a time and material basis, once it is exposed. Then find a small excavating contractor to do the dirt work. This should be done on a pre- arranged hourly fee basis. Have the line opened up, call the plumber in, get an inspection if required, then fill the excavation, and regrade. Make it clear that everybody will be paid in CASH as soon as the job is done. Be there the entire time to ensure that there job is getting done. There are many cases where this can turn a $5000 crisis into a $1500 repair. You don't have to be an expert to watch and count $20 bills when it's done, but it prevents a contractor from bending you over in a crisis.

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Re: Has anyone here done a main sewer line replacement? Quick help needed
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2017, 09:20:49 AM »
    I agree. I told the plumbing company to F themselves. Could not very well leave 2 sets of tenants without functional bathrooms  to wait around for those clowns to start the job in 10 days.
So, $300 to rent a backhoe. I had used one a fair bit 25 years ago when working at a golf course. I made a bit of a mess at first (OK a big muddy mess TBH, thankfully the camera guy showed me about where the collapse was and it was not under the house. If it collapses under the house, that is going to not be fun at all.) but got the hang of it rather quickly. I had a regular contactor help me with the work. Ended up just digging up the whole thing (used 5 ten ft sections of pipe) until I got somewhat close to where gas lines run. $250 in schedule 40 pipe, fittings and glue. Did all of the gluing on the nice clean grass.  Also put in a clean out and tested the far end with a hose on for 15 minutes to make sure I had the right section. No problem with the hose running so we attached PVC to tile pipe with Fernco fittings and declared a victory.   Yard is a bit of a mess but that can wait. Everything seems to be working as it should and my tenants are pretty happ with me I think.
 A pox upon plumber with your 10 days to get to it and $6000 for a days work. My pictures are too big to post for whatever reason.

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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2017, 05:52:52 PM »
Nice job on saving about $5K. It's amazing how much money there is in the "rescue the panicked homeowner" game. My son has a good friend who started his own plumbing business. The kid is in his mid-20s, and self educated, no apprenticeship or degrees. He works with one helper and is grossing over 200K a year in income, a significant percentage is from emergency well pump replacement work. He charges quite a bit less than many of his competitors do.