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Re: DIY - Decking + Backyard + Backyard Office/Extra Room
« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2017, 10:56:52 AM »
Looks good!
My only suggestion is to double-check the code for your step into the house. I know they've gotten a lot pickier about this lately (i.e. rise, depth, and when you need a landing).

Yup its up to code. Rise... depth... etc ... and landing is the whole deck :D

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« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2017, 11:07:18 AM »
Really nice work!  Posting to follow along with your next projects.

Sorry if I missed it, but do you plan on any staining on the deck?
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« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2017, 11:26:18 AM »
Looks good!
My only suggestion is to double-check the code for your step into the house. I know they've gotten a lot pickier about this lately (i.e. rise, depth, and when you need a landing).

Yup its up to code. Rise... depth... etc ... and landing is the whole deck :D

Not sure if that's been inspected yet, or needs to be, but according to the  IRC code that covers most areas of your state, that small step is a pretty serious code violation. There has to be a landing in front of most doors, not just a single step. With an outswing door, like a screen door, it's actually a bit more than a picky rule, it's a pretty dangerous set-up. Here is the section and subsection:

R311.3 Floors and landings at exterior doors. There shall be a landing or floor on each side of each exterior door. The width of each landing shall not be less than the door served. Every landing shall have a minimum dimension of 36 inches measured in the direction of travel.

It's a cheap, easy thing to fix and a nice 4' wide x 3' deep "box" step makes the door a lot safer and easier to use.

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Re: DIY - Decking + Backyard + Backyard Office/Extra Room
« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2017, 02:10:09 PM »
Looks good!
My only suggestion is to double-check the code for your step into the house. I know they've gotten a lot pickier about this lately (i.e. rise, depth, and when you need a landing).

Yup its up to code. Rise... depth... etc ... and landing is the whole deck :D

Not sure if that's been inspected yet, or needs to be, but according to the  IRC code that covers most areas of your state, that small step is a pretty serious code violation. There has to be a landing in front of most doors, not just a single step. With an outswing door, like a screen door, it's actually a bit more than a picky rule, it's a pretty dangerous set-up. Here is the section and subsection:

R311.3 Floors and landings at exterior doors. There shall be a landing or floor on each side of each exterior door. The width of each landing shall not be less than the door served. Every landing shall have a minimum dimension of 36 inches measured in the direction of travel.

It's a cheap, easy thing to fix and a nice 4' wide x 3' deep "box" step makes the door a lot safer and easier to use.

hmmm... the problem is that 4ft by 3ft step robs us of a lot of room... it was one of the reasons we did the deck...

as you can see here:



Now... not sure how to proceed. I will research a bit and see how to deal with it...

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Re: DIY - Decking + Backyard + Backyard Office/Extra Room
« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2017, 02:15:34 PM »
Really nice work!  Posting to follow along with your next projects.

Sorry if I missed it, but do you plan on any staining on the deck?

Before I did this... i was set on staining it...

Now... I am not so sure. I might just go the clear coat for protection only... still undecided.

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« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2017, 02:22:08 PM »
I thought my DIY gate looked awesome without stain. Then I stained it, but did it poorly. Not great. But... I'm staining my second one, but doing it nicely. And boy does that look good. It doesn't take away from the wood - it highlights the grain and really makes it look nice.

Of course, my current deck - we power-washed it and stained it... poorly... last fall. We'll likely have to redo it this fall, but better. If you can do a really nice job, it'll look amazing, and I think it would look a heartbeat more "finished." As much as I love freshly completed wood projects with bare wood, and get how you're feeling right now, I do think you'll be happy if you stain it.

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« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2017, 03:16:28 PM »
Really nice work!  Posting to follow along with your next projects.

Sorry if I missed it, but do you plan on any staining on the deck?

Before I did this... i was set on staining it...

Now... I am not so sure. I might just go the clear coat for protection only... still undecided.


My painting contractor is a big fan of clear, penetrating finishes. He typically pressure washes, then saturates the deck with a clear or slightly tinted finish. Thompsons water seal is probably the best know, widely available product of this type. Seems to me that any time I've done them in anything thicker than a fully transparent stain, it just results in quickly wearing through the finish in traffic areas.

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« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2017, 04:31:55 PM »
Really nice work!  Posting to follow along with your next projects.

Sorry if I missed it, but do you plan on any staining on the deck?

Before I did this... i was set on staining it...

Now... I am not so sure. I might just go the clear coat for protection only... still undecided.


My painting contractor is a big fan of clear, penetrating finishes. He typically pressure washes, then saturates the deck with a clear or slightly tinted finish. Thompsons water seal is probably the best know, widely available product of this type. Seems to me that any time I've done them in anything thicker than a fully transparent stain, it just results in quickly wearing through the finish in traffic areas.

Yup I was at Lowes today getting acquainted with all the brands and finishes... Thompson was defintely one of them... anyway it's still a long way to stain it yet... I need to let the wood breathe and dry a bit before doing it. Probably will do it in the fall or something. Will try to test a few samples before.

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« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2017, 07:49:16 PM »
In hindsight, you could have raised the entire deck to the door level, and then had a step down on the sides.

I really like that fence style -- did you DIY too?

I'm also interested in building an office/studio someday.  Might never happen, but it's fun to think about.  Following

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« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2017, 08:16:15 PM »
In hindsight, you could have raised the entire deck to the door level, and then had a step down on the sides.

I really like that fence style -- did you DIY too?

I'm also interested in building an office/studio someday.  Might never happen, but it's fun to think about.  Following

True but the problem is... at that height, the height towards the roof would be lost and it would feel cramped. I hypothesized that, however we settled getting the deck as low to the floor as possible.

Yes, the fence was a DIY of mine as well:







And the couches are also DIY:


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« Reply #60 on: July 14, 2017, 12:55:23 AM »
Cool, is it the same wood?  If I were to go looking for that lumber, what should I request?

Ps why do you think this style is more modern looking?  Does it require higher quality lumber?  Or is it a technically disadvantageous design compared to tradition but people choose it anyways just to be different?

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« Reply #61 on: July 14, 2017, 08:27:39 AM »
Cool, is it the same wood?  If I were to go looking for that lumber, what should I request?

Ps why do you think this style is more modern looking?  Does it require higher quality lumber?  Or is it a technically disadvantageous design compared to tradition but people choose it anyways just to be different?

I think it's more modern looking. At least to what the trend has been in the past decade... a lot has to do with the straight angles and create a continuity that is very predominant in architecture nowadays, if I were to guess.

The wood of the fence yes, it's the same wood of the deck although not the same dimensions. The fence is 1x6 standard (actual thickness 3/4 inch) while deck is 5/4 thickness. Just normal pressure treated pine.

As regarding to disadvantageous ... i think the opposite. It makes the yard look bigger due to perspective of the lines and it gives more depth. Also, it goes up much faster since you are screwing 8/16 foot boards at a time horizontally vs the typical vertical 6ft board.

The couches are just 2x4 studs put together.

You can go higher quality such as exotic woods but it gets pricey but it might be worth it for longevity. Ipe and any brazilian type of wood and you will die before you need to do anything to it.





it comes at a cost though about 3-4x more expensive than treated pine... its around 2.5/3 dollars per ln foot vs less than 1$ for treated pine

Althouygh you can probably get cheaper and same quality on other exotic woods such as tigerwood or massaranduba at around 1.5 dollar per ln foot

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Re: DIY - Decking + Backyard + Backyard Office/Extra Room
« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2017, 11:10:27 AM »
Looks good!
My only suggestion is to double-check the code for your step into the house. I know they've gotten a lot pickier about this lately (i.e. rise, depth, and when you need a landing).

Yup its up to code. Rise... depth... etc ... and landing is the whole deck :D

Not sure if that's been inspected yet, or needs to be, but according to the  IRC code that covers most areas of your state, that small step is a pretty serious code violation. There has to be a landing in front of most doors, not just a single step. With an outswing door, like a screen door, it's actually a bit more than a picky rule, it's a pretty dangerous set-up. Here is the section and subsection:

R311.3 Floors and landings at exterior doors. There shall be a landing or floor on each side of each exterior door. The width of each landing shall not be less than the door served. Every landing shall have a minimum dimension of 36 inches measured in the direction of travel.

It's a cheap, easy thing to fix and a nice 4' wide x 3' deep "box" step makes the door a lot safer and easier to use.
That's interesting--I'm just about to replace our (original, tiny, all-pressure-treated, cheapest-builder-grade, 10-year-old, very warped) deck, and it was originally built 6" below the height of the interior floor, so it's a single step down.  The new deck will be level with the inside so that I get lots of luxurious storage space beneath, but I had no idea it was a code requirement in a lot of areas.

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« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2017, 03:57:55 PM »
well its not a code here! :) confirmed it and the guys said it was more than fine.

They actually congratulated me for taking so many steps and precautions with the deck that they haven't seen in the area even with professional builders.

So its all good there!

Regarding the extension of the deck, my wife and I were discussing and I think we might do it in concrete instead. Not a slab of concrete which is kinda ugly but instead giant pavers! We already have the warmth this deck provides and then the pavers in concrete with make a nice contrast with the green and warmth of the deck.

And makes things easier since we would dodge having to dig 6 inches or more of dirt!

I like the idea of doing giant pavers for a 600 sq feet patio ... still, its a lot of work but not as much as the deck. Probably cheaper too!

Instead of doing concrete by ourselves or using a mixer... i might hire a pour! for a 500 sq foot patio where maybe 60-75% is actual pour... how much would that be in concrete?

Do I need to add wire mesh or if I ask them to add fiberglass to the mix would be enough for strength?

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« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2017, 05:32:55 PM »
well its not a code here! :) confirmed it and the guys said it was more than fine.

Ha, one of the reasons I don't regret retiring.  Your guy says it's just fine (realistically, it isn't and can be a tripping hazard) You go one township away, and another inspector  would red flag the thing, make you tear it out, do it exactly by the book, and then charge you $75 to reinspect it. The whole system is a total cluster-F.  Glad it worked out for you. They are right, BTW, your workmanship looks great.

I had discussed the option of having a building built off site and delivered, in earlier posts. Up until today, I hadn't seen anything built by the local Amish shed industry that looked remotely modern. Today, I stopped at lappstructures.com in New Holland. If you go to their website and look at the "studio" photo album, there is a pic. that looks very similar to the ones you posted, and I'm sure it's a small fraction of what some of those things ended up costing. They have a similar one on display.

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« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2017, 07:26:13 PM »
well its not a code here! :) confirmed it and the guys said it was more than fine.

Ha, one of the reasons I don't regret retiring.  Your guy says it's just fine (realistically, it isn't and can be a tripping hazard) You go one township away, and another inspector  would red flag the thing, make you tear it out, do it exactly by the book, and then charge you $75 to reinspect it. The whole system is a total cluster-F.  Glad it worked out for you. They are right, BTW, your workmanship looks great.

I had discussed the option of having a building built off site and delivered, in earlier posts. Up until today, I hadn't seen anything built by the local Amish shed industry that looked remotely modern. Today, I stopped at lappstructures.com in New Holland. If you go to their website and look at the "studio" photo album, there is a pic. that looks very similar to the ones you posted, and I'm sure it's a small fraction of what some of those things ended up costing. They have a similar one on display.

Thanks!

Totally agree that rules and ordinances differing from town to town are a Cluster F ....

Regarding that lapstructures website... is that an amish one or something?

I assume by modern, you were talking about this one I saw:



Will take them into consideration once i get to that point!

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« Reply #66 on: July 23, 2017, 04:00:30 AM »
well its not a code here! :) confirmed it and the guys said it was more than fine.

Ha, one of the reasons I don't regret retiring.  Your guy says it's just fine (realistically, it isn't and can be a tripping hazard) You go one township away, and another inspector  would red flag the thing, make you tear it out, do it exactly by the book, and then charge you $75 to reinspect it. The whole system is a total cluster-F.  Glad it worked out for you. They are right, BTW, your workmanship looks great.

I had discussed the option of having a building built off site and delivered, in earlier posts. Up until today, I hadn't seen anything built by the local Amish shed industry that looked remotely modern. Today, I stopped at lappstructures.com in New Holland. If you go to their website and look at the "studio" photo album, there is a pic. that looks very similar to the ones you posted, and I'm sure it's a small fraction of what some of those things ended up costing. They have a similar one on display.

Thanks!

Totally agree that rules and ordinances differing from town to town are a Cluster F ....

Regarding that lapstructures website... is that an amish one or something?

I assume by modern, you were talking about this one I saw:



Will take them into consideration once i get to that point!

Well, based on the town they are in, and the way the management dresses, I'm pretty sure that this particular company is Mennonite, but it's pretty similar. The industry is interesting. There are dozens of manufacturers concentrated in the area. Some are small operations running out of the barn at a local Amish farm, and only selling wholesale to dealers. Others are huge operations, with retail sales offices, and dozens of carpenters, who build everything from the small shed shown in your back yard pictures to massive two story garages that come in 4-6 sections and get set with a crane. What used to be a few choices of plain storage sheds is now everything from finished man caves and stand alone studios/office space, to fancy pool houses with bars and outdoor kitchens.

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« Reply #67 on: July 24, 2017, 06:41:37 PM »
Following! Closing on a house in August and looking to do something similar in our backyard.

Also - could you explain how you use coupons/gift cards to save $ at Lowe's? Would be very interested to learn!