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BlueMR2

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House painting - electrical lines
« on: September 15, 2017, 04:32:23 PM »
I've done a lot of house painting back in my college days, but one thing I've never had to do is paint around electrical...  Unfortunately my house is in desperate need of paint, right along where the power lines come in.  They run right from the pole to insulators attached directly to the side of the house (no standoff pipe like I'm used to working around).  There's pretty much no way to get behind them without potentially touching the power lines.  I've been told that the insulation on those hanging lines is NOT to be trusted (especially with the age of the house).

What's the proper way to paint that area?  I really hate to call in the pros for just a little tiny section!  I'm more likely to just leave that part with peeling paint honestly, but I hate to do that too...

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Re: House painting - electrical lines
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2017, 09:50:45 PM »
We had a professional finish painting the outside of our old house as we had already moved to a new town. They called the power company who sent someone out to put some sort of hi-vis wrap around the lines that attached to the house before the painter started. Perhaps your first port-of-call could be to call the power company for some info on this.

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Re: House painting - electrical lines
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2017, 06:45:40 AM »
The following information is to clarify exactly what type of power cable is supplying a typical electrical service in the states, and how it does so. In no way am I providing directions to service, move or alter the installation.

First, a giant misconception is that there is HIGH VOLTAGE supplied directly to your house. There is extremely high and dangerous voltage nearby, but it feeds the transformer up on the pole, which converts the power to 120 and 240 volt power you use inside of your home. In your case, there is a surface mounted cable assemble that is connected to the incoming utility wire on the upper end, and the meter base on the other. it is typically designated by the letter code SEU  or service entrance "U" shaped, as opposed to SER, or round shaped. It looks like the following illustration:

http://www.encorewire.com/wp-content/uploads/EncoreWire-AL-SEU.jpg

It consists of two 120 volt hot wires, which are identified as red and black wires, the individual strands surrounding the wire are twisted together to form the neutral wire at each end of the cable. They also provide a bit of a shield when wrapped around the hot wires. If the insulation deteriorates severely enough, the hot wires will short to the neutral wrap and blow the fuse on the high voltage transformer.

IF the cable is in good condition, and you are confident in what you are doing, pulling individual cable clamps, attaching it to the wall, is not very risky. When dealing with service entrance cables, I  wear safety glasses and never do the work on an aluminum ladder. You can gently pry the cable away from the surface to prep and paint, then reattach the cable straps. It's important to never remove the "point of attachment" which is where the utility company clamp holds the wire stretching over to the transformer. This connection is often extremely stressed, and all hell will break lose if that clamp is removed, since the clamp and hardware support a surprisingly large load.

In most locations, the wiring from the point of attachment, to the power pole, often called triplex, is owned and maintained by the utility company. They will send a supervisor to the house to inspect it, and assess if it's a hazard to anybody working on the place. Typically this cable is in pretty good condition and safe as it's designed to hang, out in the weather for 1/2 a century or more.

All of this assumes that you are not working on an Aluminum ladder, not dealing with a heavily worn or damaged service cable, and are confident that you understand exactly what you are doing. If the cable is a frayed, worn mess, it needs to be replaced, and there are larger issues than painting.


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Re: House painting - electrical lines
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2017, 07:14:28 AM »
paddedhat, you continue to amaze.

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Re: House painting - electrical lines
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2017, 04:46:01 PM »
I'm fairly familiar with the voltage levels being transported from a theoretical standpoint.  My weakness is the practical "what do I do about it" side.  :-)

In this case, the wires from the pole come down separately (all 3) to the insulators in question.  It then loops down into the single wide cable (which then runs along the side of the house over to the meter and entrance/breaker box.  Luckily I do not need to do any painting around that wide cable (or the loop down), it's all fine (under the overhang).  It's where the 3 insulators are attached *to* the overhang that all the paint is peeling off.

1960's era house.  Wires *look* good, but local electricians have said they're prone to developing cracks with our frequent freeze thaw cycles, so don't trust them.  FWIW, the wires have come disconnected from the pole on a couple occasions and were reattached (without being replaced)...

I'll start with the power company.  I have seen buildings with bright orange wraps around the entrance standpipes before and wondered about that...

In my case, all I've got to work with from ground level is an aluminum ladder, but I can also do the work from the roof itself as it's only the trim that needs painted.  Balancing the paint bucket would be the trickiest part given the roof pitch.