Author Topic: Attic Door/Stairs Insulation  (Read 5572 times)

nirvines88

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Attic Door/Stairs Insulation
« on: December 27, 2014, 09:09:40 AM »
The house I just purchased has no insulation on the attic door/stairs.  It only has a wooden cover, on which the foldable stairs are attached.  I imagine this is a utility bill nightmare due to loss of heat in the winter and air conditioning in the summer.  Any creative and, ahem, economical ideas on how to insulate this door?   

Some options I've seen:
1) Making a box with styrofoam insulation that fits over the stairs.

Video with really weird intro that shows how to do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mGCZNpkQ3w 
Similar link, but with text/pictures: http://www.todayshomeowner.com/how-insulate-attic-drop-down-access-stairs/

2) Buying a thermal blanket looking thing that fits over the stairs.  The downside: The thermal blankets are pretty expensive.

Here's a picture of my approximate situation (it's not from my own house, but you get the picture):

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Re: Attic Door/Stairs Insulation
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2014, 12:32:51 PM »
http://batticdoor.com/  They make various kits/solutions.  For my application I was able to purchase a kit from them and have it shipped to my door cheaper than I could make up my own kit from parts...

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Re: Attic Door/Stairs Insulation
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2014, 01:36:40 PM »
Thanks for the link; I agree, it would probably cost me at least $30 to make one of these and it probably wouldn't be as good.  I'm looking at the website: http://batticdoor.com/StairCover.htm

At the bottom, there are 3 kits: Good (includes stair cover and weather stripping for $30), Better (includes stair cover and reflective shield for $60), and Best (includes stair cover, reflective shield, and R 50 insulation for on top of stair cover for $100). 

Which do you think is the best value?  Is it worth it to get the reflective shield and/or the additional insulation to place on top of the "good" kit?  Or is the "good" kit adequate?

Is the good kit just a cardboard box with insulation?!

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Re: Attic Door/Stairs Insulation
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2014, 03:26:49 PM »
The "good" kit gets you the box and weather stripping for what I consider to be a reasonable price (remember, you'll have some shipping to cover as well).  If you're good at building, you can probably build a box for that price, but getting the weatherstripping too, probably not.  However, if you're good at building and already have weather stripping around, you could do that yourself.  :-)

If you can get the reflective shield and insulation for less than the incremental cost, then the bigger options may not be necessary.  Based on my last shopping trip, the reflective shield "better" would be worth getting included, but you'd have to check current prices (don't forget to include shipping if looking online!).  The upgrade to "best" looks like your most likely bet to beat their price.  What I've found is that insulation is normally the cheap part and that it's all the other items that get expensive on trying to piece together solutions.  If you already have some leftover insulation around, which many people do, you could use that.  Although, their insulation may be better than just stuffing in part of a regular roll, since they do claim R-50 completed.

Certainly it's possible to do any or all of the above yourself, and it would vary based on your skills, materials already on hand, etc.  Me, even though I'm somewhat handy, I'd buy the "best" kit since I expect the kit to work together well.  I'm willing to spend an extra $40 to make sure I get a workable kit right away vs. finding out my insulation isn't a good fit, having to source that (possibly paying shipping again or having to go shopping locally), all while having heat continue to leak out.  OTOH, if you really don't have $40/your hair is on fire, you may decide that you really need to do more of it yourself.  It's all very conditional, I really can't tell you what to do.  :-)

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Re: Attic Door/Stairs Insulation
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2014, 10:53:38 AM »
If you use the stair access frequently, then a higher-quality and sturdy foam box and weatherstripping will pay for itself in the long run.  If you almost never use them, then an R-30 fiberglass batt and some weatherstripping foam around the edge will be fine.  I wouldn't want to deal with a batt every time I used them if it was something I did frequently.

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Re: Attic Door/Stairs Insulation
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2014, 10:34:21 PM »
If you use the stair access frequently, then a higher-quality and sturdy foam box and weatherstripping will pay for itself in the long run.  If you almost never use them, then an R-30 fiberglass batt and some weatherstripping foam around the edge will be fine.  I wouldn't want to deal with a batt every time I used them if it was something I did frequently.

I won't be using the attic hardly at all.  Your latter suggestion looks way cheaper.  Would you just lay the batt on top of the weatherstripped edges? 

Also, would it be OK to cover the fiberglass butt with something, such as reflective foil duct tape or some kind of cover to avoid having to touch the fiberglass and it shedding around the stairs?

Lastly, does it matter if it's faced (moisture barrier) or unfaced (no moisture barrier)?  Unfaced is cheaper and I don't think moisture should be a problem at that part of the house.


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Re: Attic Door/Stairs Insulation
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2014, 10:00:53 AM »
A good air seal is just as important as the insulation - so don't skimp on that aspect. 

Here's a link with good objective info http://www.finehomebuilding.com/design/departments/energy-smart-details/insulating-attic-stairs.aspx.
I'd go with some type of thick foam box with a good air seal. 
Fiberglass is cheap, but it'd probably be difficult to make fiberglass insulation work well in this application.  A foil shield is most probably not effective in this situation since it requires an air gap behind it to work as a radiant barrier. 

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Re: Attic Door/Stairs Insulation
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2015, 09:39:59 AM »
If you use the stair access frequently, then a higher-quality and sturdy foam box and weatherstripping will pay for itself in the long run.  If you almost never use them, then an R-30 fiberglass batt and some weatherstripping foam around the edge will be fine.  I wouldn't want to deal with a batt every time I used them if it was something I did frequently.

I won't be using the attic hardly at all.  Your latter suggestion looks way cheaper.  Would you just lay the batt on top of the weatherstripped edges? 

Also, would it be OK to cover the fiberglass butt with something, such as reflective foil duct tape or some kind of cover to avoid having to touch the fiberglass and it shedding around the stairs?

Lastly, does it matter if it's faced (moisture barrier) or unfaced (no moisture barrier)?  Unfaced is cheaper and I don't think moisture should be a problem at that part of the house.

I prefer unfaced myself in most situations.  My idea is to create a thick blanket that lays over the opening, it can even extend past the edges of the opening.  For instance, a plywood board 6" larger than the opening in all directions with the insulation on the top side (won't work in a truss situation where width is limited but you get the idea).  Use twine to lash the batts to the top side.  Open the door, lift the cover up and set it to the side.  The foam weather stripping is for the edge of the ladder door, closed cell is best.