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Worst ever MMM article
« on: January 22, 2014, 10:45:27 PM »
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/01/20/haters-gonna-hate-but-not-mate/

Seriously is this the worst article ever written by MMM and what makes it even funnier is some of the suck-up comments that admittedly I could barely read. MMM as the alpha male and his breakdown on how the alpha male got all the women. I actually wonder if it was a joke it was so delusional.

I mean how funny is this line:-
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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2014, 10:55:53 PM »
I didn't think it was particularly bad.  It doesn't sound like you got it.

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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2014, 10:57:39 PM »
The Alpha Male portion was based on stuff in Predictably Irrational.... if that makes it better for you.

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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2014, 11:21:47 PM »
Why you gotta hate?

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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2014, 11:24:08 PM »
The Alpha Male portion was based on stuff in Predictably Irrational.... if that makes it better for you.

Thanks for that. I thought the only people dumb enough to use the Alpha male term were guys that are into pick-up crap on the Internet. I'll stay away from that one.

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2014, 11:27:59 PM »
Why you gotta hate?

Good comment. It was a pretty bad article full of made up BS to try and get his point across. The complainypants article was good which made a similar point without the made up anthropological BS and arrogant strutting stating how good he is.

I've only heard the term Alpha male in 3 scenarios - one via Internet PUA morons who are probably about 15 years old, two from MMA fighters who have probably been punched in the head one too many times and 3 from MMM. He is in pretty good company so maybe I should take my comments back.

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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2014, 11:31:26 PM »
I felt pretty 'meh' about the article, but then, not every single blog post is going to change my life.

There was a recent thread about whether or not MMM has gone downhill, and it included a very insightful comment about how when you're new to something, it's exciting and stimulating. Once you've internalised the messages and made the changes in your life, it's old hat. So maybe that's what you're experiencing?

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2014, 11:47:52 PM »
Yes Happier, been through that stage and out the other end.

The content flow has certainly dried up on the blog, but the forum....well that's another matter.

There's a never ending pipeline of stories here. MMM can only really discuss the life of his own family's experience in detail.  There are 100's if not 1000's on here. Makes it much more interesting.

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2014, 11:57:08 PM »
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There's a never ending pipeline of stories here. MMM can only really discuss the life of his own family's experience in detail.  There are 100's if not 1000's on here. Makes it much more interesting.

I also find the forum far more useful as you can gain advice and tips on the day to day practicalities of mustachianism. The blog is more big-picture, which is great, but once you're on board with the philosophy it doesn't offer much in the way of "and this is how you save $5 today". And heck, it would be really boring if it did!

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2014, 12:37:10 AM »
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There's a never ending pipeline of stories here. MMM can only really discuss the life of his own family's experience in detail.  There are 100's if not 1000's on here. Makes it much more interesting.

I also find the forum far more useful as you can gain advice and tips on the day to day practicalities of mustachianism. The blog is more big-picture, which is great, but once you're on board with the philosophy it doesn't offer much in the way of "and this is how you save $5 today". And heck, it would be really boring if it did!

I don't even read the blog unless a post gets people all riled up on the forum :-)

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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2014, 07:28:06 AM »
Why you gotta hate?

Good comment. It was a pretty bad article full of made up BS to try and get his point across. The complainypants article was good which made a similar point without the made up anthropological BS and arrogant strutting stating how good he is.

I've only heard the term Alpha male in 3 scenarios - one via Internet PUA morons who are probably about 15 years old, two from MMA fighters who have probably been punched in the head one too many times and 3 from MMM. He is in pretty good company so maybe I should take my comments back.

You're using the term complainypants? Pot/Kettle.

Just like the other threads on his previous article I'll question the point of this. Does this gain any value? Do we get an insight on how to improve our lives?

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2014, 07:34:56 AM »
I didn't think it was particularly bad.  It doesn't sound like you got it.

(Emphasis mine.)

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2014, 07:39:44 AM »
I didn't think it was particularly bad.  It doesn't sound like you got it.

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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2014, 07:44:49 AM »
The Alpha Male portion was based on stuff in Predictably Irrational.... if that makes it better for you.

Thanks for that. I thought the only people dumb enough to use the Alpha male term were guys that are into pick-up crap on the Internet. I'll stay away from that one.

Ever see theredpill on Reddit?

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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2014, 08:46:16 AM »
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There's a never ending pipeline of stories here. MMM can only really discuss the life of his own family's experience in detail.  There are 100's if not 1000's on here. Makes it much more interesting.

I also find the forum far more useful as you can gain advice and tips on the day to day practicalities of mustachianism. The blog is more big-picture, which is great, but once you're on board with the philosophy it doesn't offer much in the way of "and this is how you save $5 today". And heck, it would be really boring if it did!

I don't even read the blog unless a post gets people all riled up on the forum :-)

+1, I actually don't even like the blog anymore because so little of it pertains to me.  I do still enjoy the yearly spending and things like that.  See my "bored at work" thread that I started in August and you'll realize why I'm on here so often ...

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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2014, 08:49:52 AM »
The Alpha Male portion was based on stuff in Predictably Irrational.... if that makes it better for you.

Thanks for that. I thought the only people dumb enough to use the Alpha male term were guys that are into pick-up crap on the Internet. I'll stay away from that one.

Ever see theredpill on Reddit?

I haven't, but the red pill reference makes it clear where you're going. I thought the same thing!  :-)

Or, for something that applies to those already married: MMSL 

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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2014, 09:13:42 AM »
I was disappointed with the blog post.  When I saw that I was nearing the end of it, I thought "That's it?"

But, the forum is where I live.  Such a great community (as long as I stay away from the occasional fights).

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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2014, 08:39:39 PM »
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/01/20/haters-gonna-hate-but-not-mate/
Seriously is this the worst article ever written by MMM and what makes it even funnier is some of the suck-up comments that admittedly I could barely read. MMM as the alpha male and his breakdown on how the alpha male got all the women. I actually wonder if it was a joke it was so delusional.
I mean how funny is this line:-
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Guys: Mr. Money Mustache is not stealing your women.
I think the whole post was written to illustrate the point "There's no such thing as bad publicity."

You're also clear evidence that his evil scheme is succeeding!

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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2014, 10:16:41 PM »
Point of clarification: most of the examples we're discussing here are not from Predictably Irrational. Quoting the blog, emphasis mine:

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I read in one of these books that the “Hater” instinct is just another one of our predictably irrational strategies, originally based on mating success.

After the blog introduces the topic of mental strategies with Predictably Irrational, it moves on to other books and other subjects. I am not familiar with any research about "haters" and I have no comment about the alpha male bit, but they were definitely from different sources.

Predictably Irrational is a great book of psych research covering modern experiments. For example, people consider a choice of A vs B differently than A vs A' vs B and you can see how much of an impact the changes have by thorough experimentation. The book does not concern itself with historical questions or social commentary. It's a fascinating read if you like psychology and I hope no one avoids it because of any disagreements in this thread.

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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2014, 06:50:11 AM »
I agree. I felt the post was itself a thread of complanypants, stretched (I hardly think that is why people are hating on his philosophy) mixed with a dose of sexism (what, all haters are men?).

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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2014, 06:26:38 PM »
mixed with a dose of sexism (what, all haters are men?).

It was hilarious really. I mean MMM being the Alpha male and we are all scared of him taking our women. If that doesn't deserve a facepunch I don't know what does. Completely delusional.

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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2014, 06:33:06 PM »
Whether I like a blog post or not, I feel like I am a guest in MMM's house. He pays for this forum and lets us use it for free. He blogs and has shared many good ideas....So, I am not going to be his guest in his "house" and then say the wine sucks. My mama taught me better.




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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2014, 06:47:22 PM »
I agree. I felt the post was itself a thread of complanypants, stretched (I hardly think that is why people are hating on his philosophy) mixed with a dose of sexism (what, all haters are men?).

Well, to be fair it could go both ways.  If the women hadn't decided to reward the behavior by fucking them and letting them breed...

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2014, 08:17:47 PM »
Whether I like a blog post or not, I feel like I am a guest in MMM's house. He pays for this forum and lets us use it for free. He blogs and has shared many good ideas....So, I am not going to be his guest in his "house" and then say the wine sucks. My mama taught me better.

That's a fair comment, but I will hasten to add that the price you pay is being exposed to his advertisers.

The entire internet is basically built on this concept. Facebook is the ultimate example. You don't really use it for free. Your usage, habits and attributes are simply 'sold' to corporations for marketing purposes.

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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2014, 08:47:23 PM »
Whether I like a blog post or not, I feel like I am a guest in MMM's house. He pays for this forum and lets us use it for free. He blogs and has shared many good ideas....So, I am not going to be his guest in his "house" and then say the wine sucks. My mama taught me better.

Reasonable (hence why I didn't start a thread myself) but he does invite criticism by having this particular category. It's probably preferable to have it buried here than below the thread itself too. That all said I get great value from the forums and some from the blog.  I appreciate being able to play in MMM's sandbox. I just felt this one post was markedly subpar.

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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2014, 08:49:19 PM »
I agree. I felt the post was itself a thread of complanypants, stretched (I hardly think that is why people are hating on his philosophy) mixed with a dose of sexism (what, all haters are men?).

Well, to be fair it could go both ways.  If the women hadn't decided to reward the behavior by fucking them and letting them breed...

I'll try to fuck them in the future, but draw the line at breeding... ;)

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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2014, 01:35:52 PM »
mixed with a dose of sexism (what, all haters are men?).

It was hilarious really. I mean MMM being the Alpha male and we are all scared of him taking our women. If that doesn't deserve a facepunch I don't know what does. Completely delusional.

You're just scared...LOL (kidding)

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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2014, 01:43:59 PM »
I don't even read the blog unless a post gets people all riled up on the forum :-)

I'm starting to think this is good advice. I enjoy his writing style but the forum is a wealth of great advice and I'm glad there's so many active people on it.

Plus, I notice that there's often very little crossover between people who comment on the blog and who comment on the forum. Some do both but I see very little overlap in screen names.

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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2014, 04:25:03 PM »
Plus, I notice that there's often very little crossover between people who comment on the blog and who comment on the forum. Some do both but I see very little overlap in screen names.

Yeah, I never bother to post on the blog.  A blog comment is not a conversation - a forum post is.

I'd rather interact and discuss than throw a comment out into the void.

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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2014, 06:26:39 PM »
Seems to me that a lot of the blog comments are personal finance bloggers making meaningless statements ("Way to go, MMM! You're the best!") just to generate pageviews for their own blogs.

Whereas here, we do have a few bloggers (who I'm sure are keen for people to click over, of course), but I think there's a genuine attempt to engage, question, and learn on the forums. Which I like.

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« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2014, 07:26:16 PM »
Plus, I notice that there's often very little crossover between people who comment on the blog and who comment on the forum. Some do both but I see very little overlap in screen names.
Yeah, I never bother to post on the blog.  A blog comment is not a conversation - a forum post is.
I'd rather interact and discuss than throw a comment out into the void.
YMMV.
Seems to me that a lot of the blog comments are personal finance bloggers making meaningless statements ("Way to go, MMM! You're the best!") just to generate pageviews for their own blogs.
Whereas here, we do have a few bloggers (who I'm sure are keen for people to click over, of course), but I think there's a genuine attempt to engage, question, and learn on the forums. Which I like.
Hey hey hey, we professional personal finance bloggers refer to that as "networking".  It's considered the polite way to raise your hand to volunteer for a guest post.  Pageviews?  Old-school tactic back when Google treated any link as credible.  Those don't happen to any significant degree these days, and anyone hoping to scarf a bunch of blog comment readers into clicking on their poster name is probably deluding themselves.

The good bloggers are supposed to follow up that "Way to go" lede with a substantive reinforcing comment, and perhaps a reference to some other pertinent situation.  That ideally keeps the blog administrator from deleting your comment out of hand.  But frankly we sometimes do it just to boost each other's morale and maybe even rev up another lurker to respond.

When you're reading over 100 other blogs, the issue with commenting is that you run out of time and actually have to remind yourself (calendar, tickler list) to occasionally comment on blogs.  However I've found it easier to network with other bloggers on Facebook groups, or on Twitter, or at conferences-- and work up to a guest post that way instead of commenting on their blogs.  So what you're seeing on most PF blogs today is either reader fan mail (which is great) or spammers (not so great).  I do know one woman who makes a significant fraction of her entrepreneurial income from being paid by bloggers to comment on their blog and other blogs. 

I spent a decade on forums before I appreciated blogging, and I get most of my book advice/stories from forums.  I think it's a much more productive way to gain audiences, especially if you can do it without running your own forum.  But blogging is how MMM managed to generate the comments and attract the readers who campaigned for this forum. 
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« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2014, 07:50:46 PM »
Yeah, I don't actually disagree with you at all Nords and I definitely don't mind it when the bloggers have something meaningful to contribute. There are plenty of bloggers who contribute in a fantastic way to this forum (including you!). It just gets my goat when bloggers are posting on MMM's blog without anything particularly interesting to say... I used to read other PF blogs and quickly got sick of how much the commenting was just other PF bloggers saying yeah! we're all cool! without meaningful discussion or exchange of ideas. (And how many posts were dedicated to the blogger writing about trying to make money from their site, including tips like "you should comment on popular blogs to get readers to come over and visit your blog!" - which is exactly what I think is going on with the comments on the MMM blog, though I take your point that some bloggers are honestly trying to encourage each other and build the community).

TL;DR: It's the spammers that annoy me. Or did, until I realised I could just not bother to read the blog comments.

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« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2014, 10:23:55 PM »
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/01/20/haters-gonna-hate-but-not-mate/

Seriously is this the worst article ever written by MMM and what makes it even funnier is some of the suck-up comments that admittedly I could barely read. MMM as the alpha male and his breakdown on how the alpha male got all the women. I actually wonder if it was a joke it was so delusional.

I mean how funny is this line:-
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Guys: Mr. Money Mustache is not stealing your women.

I thought perhaps this forum thread was started as a joke, since you were complaining about a blog post that was all about the uselessness of complaining.

But then I kept reading and realized that you were serious.  Huh.  OK.

BTW, Google can help you learn more about the legitimate uses of the term Alpha Male (or just Alpha) in studies of social animals and how they relate to each other. 

FWIW, I enjoy the blog for what it is, and I enjoy forums for what they are.  While I don't spend a lot of time in this forum, I do participate multiple times a day in another one, and it's true that forums are much better for conversations than blog comments. But I continue to enjoy the variety of things that MMM posts on his blog, including the post that started this thread.  He writes well enough that even the articles on topics that hold less appeal for me end up being interesting reads. Thanks, MMM!

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« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2014, 10:39:51 PM »
Interesting idea for a thread posting.

For me the worst article is: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/06/13/bicycling-the-safest-form-of-transportation/

Now I love to bike and have the bike trailer, but the math in this article is shady and shaky (ussually MMMs' math is accurate and usually I fully agree with it, pretty much, all except this article):

He starts off by stating according to the stats:

we end up with a cycling fatality rate of about 6.9 per 100 million miles ... that same statistic is 1.11 for cars in 2010.
So on the surface, it looks like cycling in the US is about 6.2 times more dangerous than car-driving per mile ... But we’re not done yet. First of all, let’s compare a cyclist at a comfortable commuting pace of 12MPH,  with a car driver on the interstate at 75MPH. Now, the risk per hour is equal, because the car is covering 6.2 times more miles than the cyclist. So the accident risk per hour of the two activities is roughly equal.


If we stop here, this is a bizarre comparison, if we are comparing commuting by car and bike (which is probably what most driving is used for), the entire commute is not going to be 75 mph on an interstate (and if that is your commute, there is no way your are biking that commute in any realistic amount of time).

Most car travel happens in town or commuting at around probably 25-35 mph, not 75 mph (unless it is for travel between cities, which again is probably one of the only trips you cannot bike).  Town car driving is way more boring with lots of your time sitting still at stop lights, and in heavy traffic. 

If take 72 mph (car) / 12 mph (bike) = 6.0.  This is ratio more distance traveled for the car over the bike.

Thus, to get his statement of the risk being equal, he has to get the distance ratio to be roughly 6 or 6.2 (to counter act the stats of the bike being 6.2 times more risky than the car per mile).

So basically, if we consider the comparison of the car going anything less than 75 mph for comparison, the ratio of car to bike distance traveled drop below 6.0.  If we assume that car going slower like a more realistic 25-35 mph, then, the car is actually safer (at least twice as safe).  Please keep in mind that I love to bike and do it all the time and wish more people would to, but this article is BS, because it appears that the conclusion for the article was written before the stats were even looked at.  Pushing bogus interpretations of statistics to convince people to bike is total BS.

Instead, you can help them get over their safety concerns with biking in more constructive ways.  Like encouraging them to take it in small steps, i.e. start with the easier small trips first and work your way up over time.  Also you could show them how to use Google maps and satellite images to carefully plan their route ahead of time.  For example, to find low traffic volume, low speed roads to bike on (i.e. sleepy neighborhood streets and alleys are two of my favorites).  If there is a particularly bad/busy intersection that cannot be avoided, in some instances, I will actually dismount, and walk the bike on the sidewalk and push the button for the crosswalk and cross it as a pedestrian if need be.





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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2014, 11:39:29 PM »
BTW, Google can help you learn more about the legitimate uses of the term Alpha Male (or just Alpha) in studies of social animals and how they relate to each other.

Dude I'm not trying to be slack but humans aren't wolves. If you seriously believe in this stuff go for it but I don't. I suggest if you want to learn something about Alpha males you google "Internet frauds designed to sell stuff to suckers".

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« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2014, 11:40:56 PM »
Interesting idea for a thread posting.

For me the worst article is: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/06/13/bicycling-the-safest-form-of-transportation/

Now I love to bike and have the bike trailer, but the math in this article is shady and shaky (ussually MMMs' math is accurate and usually I fully agree with it, pretty much, all except this article)

I bet the math is shaky however riding a bike is good for your health and it might save you money as well.

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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2014, 11:55:05 PM »
Interesting idea for a thread posting.

For me the worst article is: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/06/13/bicycling-the-safest-form-of-transportation/

Now I love to bike and have the bike trailer, but the math in this article is shady and shaky (ussually MMMs' math is accurate and usually I fully agree with it, pretty much, all except this article):
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 Pushing bogus interpretations of statistics to convince people to bike is total BS.

I totally agree with you!  The whole relative speed issue is a giant red herring because to go from point A to point B you travel a distance.  That time varies with mode of transportation.  But MMM had it backwards - apparently the distance between point A and point B is a linear function of speed! 

Also, the study he used to show a linear relationship between amount of exercise and length extension shows a linear relationship for about 1 hour of biking per week.  After that, the effect decreased, to the point that after about 3-4 hours per week there was no additional benefit!

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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2014, 09:28:38 AM »
I don't even read the blog unless a post gets people all riled up on the forum :-)

I'm starting to think this is good advice. I enjoy his writing style but the forum is a wealth of great advice and I'm glad there's so many active people on it.

Plus, I notice that there's often very little crossover between people who comment on the blog and who comment on the forum. Some do both but I see very little overlap in screen names.





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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2014, 12:59:35 PM »
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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2015, 04:29:00 AM »
Whether I like a blog post or not, I feel like I am a guest in MMM's house. He pays for this forum and lets us use it for free. He blogs and has shared many good ideas....So, I am not going to be his guest in his "house" and then say the wine sucks. My mama taught me better.

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Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2015, 06:29:14 AM »
I thought his post was amusing.  I would like to see him or Mrs. MMM post more, though. She has a lovely "voice" and a different, but complementary, perspective.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2015, 01:13:49 PM by pbkmaine »

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Re: Worst ever MMM article
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2015, 08:44:20 PM »
Interesting idea for a thread posting.

For me the worst article is: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/06/13/bicycling-the-safest-form-of-transportation/

Now I love to bike and have the bike trailer, but the math in this article is shady and shaky (ussually MMMs' math is accurate and usually I fully agree with it, pretty much, all except this article)

I bet the math is shaky however riding a bike is good for your health and it might save you money as well.

+1

Rather than call it "worst", though, I think it's more like bad math + immature tone of the article in passing it off as scientifically accurate. He lost me at

"In engineering and math, one method we use to prove a case is to define the boundary condition. If you can prove that your design holds up even in the worst possible case, it is guaranteed that it will work in all situations (emphasis mine)."

As an avid biker, I think it would have been sufficient if he had given a tl;dr version with "biking is awesome for your health and saves you a ton of money," rather than trying to convince the skeptics (badly).