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seaniemac

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What mortgage should I refinance into?
« on: January 22, 2020, 12:00:12 PM »
Life situation: Married filing jointly Me 47 Wife 55 .  3 “adult” kids, 3 grand kids ages 13, 6, & 4

Gross salary: 160K for me and 54K for wife

Pre-tax deduction: My 401k    $800/check semi-monthly
                                 My Dental/vis    $32 check semi-monthly
                               
                                 Wife Per check – paid bi-weekly
                                 Wife 403b    $650
                                 Wife H.S.A.    $234
                                  Wife Medical -    $134
                                  Wife Pension -    $220 – wife started teacher job later in life in 3.5 years eligible for 10 year pension 10% of 62K for life and medical  - in 13.5 years eligible for 20 year pension 40% of 85K for life

Other income: Dividends – approx. $1k a year reinvested

Total income after taxes/deductions : $9388 / mo – I may be put on yearly bonus plan this year at 15% ($ 24K) of pay – fingers crossed!

Monthly expenses:
Mortgage : $876 P/I 223 months left  $450 T/I
Utilities (includes cell phones $45 each, internet and cable $160.00, water and sewer $100, electric/gas heat $200): $550/month
Groceries: $700
Restaurants/Takeout/ Entertainment: $800/mo 
Gas: $250/mo
Gym: $21/ mo
Credit cards: $0
Cars:    2018 Honda Accord Car payment: $462/month (42 months left @ 2.5% ) car accident totaled my 2001 Honda Civic with 275k miles on it July 2018 hence the new car purchase
2013 Subaru Outback payment $387/month (29 months left @ 1.9 %)
All our and kids student loans paid off
Life and disability insurance: $64/ semi-monthly check thru work
Home improvement loan, new roof, kitchen upgrade (added dishwasher = happiest wife ever) – 444 / month at 0% interest – 42 months left
Insurance –Car, Life, RV, $1 mill Umbrella - $278/month
RV Seasonal Site / Property Tax on 2 cars and RV - $350/month
Roth IRA Contributions – $1083/ mo

Assets: as of 12/31/2019
$        254,800       House&RV&Cars
 $       595,114       My 401K
 $         65,474       Wife 403B
 $       109,985       My Roth IRA
 $       229,948       Wife Roth IRA
 $       265,729       Brokerage
 $       153,206       My cash balance Pension
 $         54,632      
24 k Savings/ 22K H.S.A./2k traditional IRA/5 k Wife Pension/ 1k Coinbase
 $         14,690       CHET – for grandkids
      
 $           7,116       My 2019 Fundrise Roth IRA
 $     1,750,424       Subtotal

Liabilities as of 12/31/2019 :
 $       128,046       Mortgage – $876 @ 4.875% - 223 months left
 $         17,100       Roof&Home Improvement loan – $444 0% - 42 months left
 $         11,593       Subaru – $387 @ 1.9% - 29 months left
 $         19,266       Honda –  $462 @ 2.5% - 42 months left
      
      
      
 $       176,005       Subtotal
       
 $     1,574,419    Net Worth   

Recently, last 3 years or so after learning of FIRE and readjusting our thinking we have really gotten rid of a lot of debt - paid off all Student loans and RV.  We have the RV parked full time at a seasonal site in Saratoga Springs which we love to glamp in all spring, summer and fall and also I work from home there occasionally during the summer while wife is off from school and take two – three weeks vacation there. 

Plan for future:
As more debt gets paid off – plow more into savings
Currently yearly savings with company matches ($2k H.S.A & $17K my job) –    2020 - $75k
 2021 - $84k – max wife 403b – 26k a year
 2022 - $93k – max my 401k add 6.5k - 26k year  & add $1k Roth
Depending if I get put on yearly bonus plan or not will add more to taxable accounts.
Starting to mull over when to retire was planning on 13.5 years.

I just recently (this month) sold a property to my sister that I owned and she lived there and I was paying $400/ month out of our pockets on top of her payment to help her get back on her feet (she was recently divorced/ relocated back to area and got her son my 6 year old nephew to attend one of the best school public schools in the state ). So I now will have an extra $400/month to utilize. 

My question:
What mortgage should I refinance into?

I am going to refinance the mortgage now that I have sold the other property to take advantage of lower rates.

Was going to refi the mortgage take a 10 year mortgage @ 3.125% utilizing the extra $400/mo and for a payment of approx. $1270/month and knock this principal down aggressively. Now I am really torn between taking a 30 year mortgage because rates are so damn low and thinking we could maximize all pretax retirement accounts this year 2020 if we go with 30 year mortgage @ 3.875% $611/mo. Or maybe meet in the middle with a 15 year mortgage @ 3.5 $929/mo. Really undecided but want to either lower months to pay off or maximize savings?
     


Any suggestions would be very helpful?



Regards,

Sean                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

dandarc

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Re: What mortgage should I refinance into?
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2020, 12:43:38 PM »
If you will actually invest the extra cash flow from the lower payment, take the 30 year fixed. Actually, do a cash-out refinance and invest whatever lump sum you get immediately as well.

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/dont-payoff-your-mortgage-club/

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Re: What mortgage should I refinance into?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2020, 12:44:37 PM »
Also - one of these things is very much not like the others - how much is the house worth?

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Re: What mortgage should I refinance into?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2020, 12:48:54 PM »
You left off some important info (sorry if I missed it, only have a few minutes before phone meeting):

1. When are you planning on retiring?

2. Does having a paid off mortgage upon retirement have an emotional draw for you, or are you disciplined enough to manage your balance sheet and invest the difference between your lower payment with a 30 yr refi and the higher payment of a 10 or 15 yr refi?


seaniemac

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Re: What mortgage should I refinance into?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2020, 01:01:58 PM »
"dandarc" - House is worth approx. $190k

"Kronsey" - maximum time to retire is 13.5 years - rethinking this date all the time and maybe trying to pull it in.

I am very disciplined and will invest the difference (was planning on maxing wife's retirement pre-tax 403b this year upping from $16.9k to $26k). 

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Re: What mortgage should I refinance into?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2020, 01:15:48 PM »
I am very disciplined and will invest the difference (was planning on maxing wife's retirement pre-tax 403b this year upping from $16.9k to $26k).
This is very important information. If you're not maxing out your tax advantaged accounts, pre-paying a low interest rate mortgage is not wise. Even folks in the "pay off the mortgage" camp here usually add "after maxing out your tax advantaged accounts".

You're not yet maxing out those tax advantaged accounts yet - take the refinance option that lets you do that easily.