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29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« on: March 12, 2019, 08:18:22 AM »
Life Situation: Discovered MMM last summer and became fascinated with early retirement.  The thought of it has me more excited for the future than ever before.  I’m 29, married (file jointly), and do not plan on having kids. We live in the U.S. but the military lifestyle takes us to different states/countries.  I currently have 9 years of active service (E-6) and am definitely shooting for 20 years to get a pension.  So I have roughly 11 years left of stable earning ahead of me until that time, though I would consider serving an additional 3 years if the time/cost benefit was worth it to me (additional rank for higher pension/etc).  I have a divorce under my belt from 4 years ago which was a significant financial setback which I’ve only surpassed in the past year.

Gross Salary/Wages: Military pay is divided into taxable and non-taxable portions.  Our basic pay is based off rank and time in service and is taxable.  Basic allowance for sustenance (BAS) and basic allowance for housing (BAH) are non-taxable and increase with cost-of-living.  Generally, I will always rate BAS, but BAH will fluctuate based on the zip code of my duty location and whether or not I live in base housing or not, in which case I wouldn’t rate it.  I’m using a military pay calculator to provide the following figures (2018 taxable is per my 2018 W-2).

2019 - $69,308 - $5,775.69/mo.  After taxes and TSP allotment, I net $4,733/mo.

Taxable - $42,519
Non-Taxable BAS - $4432 BAH - $22,356 Total - $26,788

2018 - $67,043

Taxable - $40,033
Non-Taxable BAS- $4432 BAH- $21,168 Total - $25,600

Individual amounts of each Pre-tax deductions – None

Other Ordinary Income: My wife works part-time while planning around college (costs covered by the transfer of my GI Bill).  She currently brings in roughly 10-15k reliably year over year while we are stateside but her employment opportunities while we are stationed overseas are severely limited.  She is on board with the FIRE lifestyle but she makes frequent small purchases.  To avoid becoming overbearing with her spending, I don’t worry much about this as she continues to contribute to our monthly expenses and investment goals.

Rental Income:
Rented out two rooms in my house to friends for three months in the past year.  All proceeds were put towards to mortgage and it was only temporary but the future possibility remains that I will rent rooms out to those I trust if they are in need.  Total earned around $3,000.

Taxes: Federal - $371/mo State - $0 (FL resident as long as I’m active duty) SS - $219 Medicare - $51  SGLI - $34.

Monthly expenses:

Mortgage – Current payment is $1,492 but is calculated with 6% property tax.  We rate a 4% tax so the payment will drop into the $1,300 range once the escrow account is audited in April.  I’ll break this payment into P&I and T&I if needed.

Electric – Averages $130-$150, some of which are fees.  We live in SC where electric is expensive and it gets eff you hot 6 months of the year.

Water – $60

Vehicle Gas - $70/mo

Internet - $80

Cell phone - $180 for two

Car Insurance - $190 for two drivers, two vehicles

HOA fees - $50

Groceries - $250-$300 (would like to work on this)

Dining out once a week - $100/mo

Two Tampa Bay Lightning season tickets - $224/mo (Kept them to maintain our seniority.  We typically break even or come out a little ahead throughout the season from selling tickets)

Misc – Things like Hulu, the occasion energy drink, yardwork/hobby expenses, haircuts - $100

Total using higher ranges and assumes eating full cost of season ticket memberships - $2,772

Expected ER expenses: Unknown at this point, but it is my goal to be mortgage-free and have money to travel.  We have cheap, fulfilling hobbies (fishing, hiking/biking, play instruments, art), value efficiency in our vehicles, etc.  Our biggest expense-related goal would be to see the corners of the world while health is on our side.

Assets:

Cash - Typically maintain a $2,000-$3,000 float between our checking accounts.

Betterment (90/10 allocation) – $18,500.  I try to maximize contributions here, averaging about $1,500 a month currently but looking to increase.

TSP – $10,000 (2040 Lifecycle fund, allotment of 10% of my monthly basic pay - $4,003 in 2018. Do not receive employer matching.)

Lending Club - $2,500 (low risk note allocation, was recently curious to try the platform)

Home – Recently purchased for in August 2018 in a high-demand military base area and is our current primary residence.  Assessed at $219,000 during purchase, currently Zillow value of $224,000 (whatever).  I’ve been making additional principal payments since purchase.

2007 Hyndai Elantra – My current ride ‘til it dies.

2012 Dodge Dart – Wife’s vehicle.

Additionally, I take advantage of AMEX/Chase and whoever else waives annual fees on credit/charge cards for military members to play “the game.”  I currently have about $4000 in cash-out value between AMEX/Chase, but I can stretch it much further if using on travel.  We plan to continue accumulating these points into retirement and use them to mitigate travel expenses.  I’m not a sucker and I never pay interest or inflate spending to hit welcome bonuses.

Liabilities:


Mortgage – $219,000 @ 4.5% 30 years starting in August 2018.  Current outstanding principal is $215,000.  It was a zero down VA home loan.

No other debts/liabilities.

Specific Question(s): I don’t want to count my eggs before they hatch.  I still need to successfully complete 11 more years of military service to rate a pension.  Assuming that happens, a conservative estimate (E-8/20 years vice E-9/23 years) would net $2,570/mo pre-tax.  This will be paid starting the day I leave service for the rest of my life and increasing with inflation.  Any VA disability benefits I qualify for would be non-taxable and could range from $500-$3200/mo, also for life but an estimate can’t be predicted at this point in time.  The pension/benefits would effectively provide the means of early retirement on their own, but obviously my desire is to compound a good situation. 

When we leave our current location in a year, our recent house purchase will effectively become a rental.  We also do not plan to retire to this area so it’s not our forever home.  One of my main goals is to be mortgage free in retirement.  I have the means to pay this mortgage off in 11 years (effective retirement date) if I want to and sell for cash to buy our retirement home with.  I do not feel confident that this is the most financially efficient choice and there are multiple ways I can envision this.  Should I focus on paying this mortgage down or just make the minimums?  Make the minimums, sell in 11 years, put the equity on a retirement home and pay the difference by selling investments is also an option.  Putting just the equity on a new home and carrying a mortgage balance to hedge inflation is also an option.  Any advice on the best path is much appreciated.  Feel free to analyze my spending as well.

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Re: 29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2019, 11:12:37 AM »
I have zero input, but just wanted to maybe point you to a website.

A forum member by the name of Nords started this site specifically for military personnel interested in early retirement...may want to give that a look...he is a wealth of knowledge in this arena.
https://the-military-guide.com/
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Re: 29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2019, 12:58:33 PM »
My only comment is that you should be maxing out all tax-advantaged retirement accounts before contributing a dime to a taxable account like lending club. See the investment order thread for more details and reasons why.

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/investment-order/

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Re: 29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2019, 01:49:21 PM »
@Nords  mentioned? Check, investment order mentioned? Check. Well, those are the biggies. My comment, which means nothing, is to rethink the whole pay down the mortgage. I’m not sure what the point is until/unless you’ve found your forever home? You’re young and you’ll still be young at 40. You don’t plan to have kids. You and your wife might want to spend 10 years traveling around the world or living in different parts of the country. Until you know that for sure, I’d invest the money in index funds and let it grow as much and as long as possible. Then, when you’re like, ok, this is our forever home base, but it if you must. You aren’t growing your money substantially putting into your home, your home isn’t an investment, so increasing your mortgage isn’t smart investing, it’s just making you feel “accomplished”. Don’t believe the hype!

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Re: 29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2019, 08:55:53 AM »
A forum member by the name of Nords started this site specifically for military personnel interested in early retirement...may want to give that a look...he is a wealth of knowledge in this arena.
https://the-military-guide.com/
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Thanks, Andy & MrTD!

And welcome, Shibby.

She is on board with the FIRE lifestyle but she makes frequent small purchases.  To avoid becoming overbearing with her spending, I don’t worry much about this as she continues to contribute to our monthly expenses and investment goals.
This question comes up a lot, and the best solution is to give each other an allowance.  Whether it’s $50/month each or $400/month each, it’s yours and hers to spend.  There’s no tracking (other than the budget category of “allowance”), no justification, and no judging.  You can spend it all in the month or you can roll it over and save it for a big goal. 

This not only avoids the debates over who bought which for whatever reason, but it also helps both people in the couple make the team effort toward financial independence.  Nobody has to worry about one spouse being the Budget Police or the other pushing back against the spending policies.

When we leave our current location in a year, our recent house purchase will effectively become a rental.  We also do not plan to retire to this area so it’s not our forever home.  One of my main goals is to be mortgage free in retirement.  I have the means to pay this mortgage off in 11 years (effective retirement date) if I want to and sell for cash to buy our retirement home with.  I do not feel confident that this is the most financially efficient choice and there are multiple ways I can envision this.  Should I focus on paying this mortgage down or just make the minimums?  Make the minimums, sell in 11 years, put the equity on a retirement home and pay the difference by selling investments is also an option.  Putting just the equity on a new home and carrying a mortgage balance to hedge inflation is also an option.  Any advice on the best path is much appreciated.  Feel free to analyze my spending as well.
My first suggestion, while you have the time, is to learn the real estate numbers.  You mention renting it out, and I suspect that’s perhaps because you lack the equity to pay the sales commissions and your share of the closing costs.  Yet you need to make a cold-hearted financial decision whether to sell or landlord, because paying $15K in closing costs to sell now is cheaper than losing $200/month (after expenses & taxes) for 11 years.

Yet you’re also not sure whether your cash flow will stay ahead of the landlording expenses.  “High-demand military base area” is not a market analysis and does not tell you whether you’ll break even or lose money.  Real estate appreciates at about the rate of inflation unless you happen to have picked a location that suddenly becomes hot for local businesses or lifestyle.  You can’t depend on appreciation.

Basic thumbrules for real estate investments (the 1% and 50% thumbrules) suggest that carrying a property valued at $220K would need to rent for $2200/month.  (Unfortunately market rents are typically lower.)  You’d also spend an average of $1100/month on operating expenses (mortgage, taxes, insurance, maintenance, property manager) and repairs.  However the principal & interest payment is already $1110/month on a $219K 30-year loan at 4.5%.  You’ve already accounted for $1500/month average carrying costs without a property manager.  Then you’d spend more money on repairs, an occasional new roof or air conditioning, tenant turnovers, and vacancies... all while still having to pay the mortgage no matter how poor your cash flow might be at the moment.  We’re even assuming the world’s best tenants. 

You might have already blown through both of the basic thumbrules for rental-property expenses.  If you're renting at $1700/month then you're still losing money.

As a landlord, you’d want an emergency fund big enough for a new roof or a three-month vacancy or some other large once-in-a-decade expense.  A reasonable number is $10K and a conservative number is $20K.  Yet your liquid assets are roughly $22K among cash, Betterment, and (maybe) Lending Club.  Now you’re looking at a TSP loan or a big credit-card charge. 

If your tenants are military (“high-demand military base area”) then that’s a minimum of a month of vacancy every 2-3 years (plus repairs and cleaning and advertising and property-manager’s additional tenant-screening fees).  How would you feel about carrying $1100/month (minimum) while you’re thousands of miles away?

You’re essentially hoping to earn more as an 11-year landlord than you could by investing in the stock market for a decade.  If you weren’t a landlord then you could be investing more in the TSP or contributing to your Roth IRAs or putting even more to work in taxable accounts.  The home is a gigantic opportunity cost, plus you're working harder as a landlord and carrying all the financial risk.

The “easy” way to deal with this situation might be to take the $15K loss on selling now.  Then you can rent until you find an investment rental property or at least expect to stay in the same location for 7+ years.  If you’re traveling after the military then you might not want to be a homeowner for a decade or so.

If you don’t already know how to landlord or analyze rental expenses then start reading the BiggerPockets website to learn about cash flow and capitalization ratios.  Subscribe to their weekly e-mails for 20-minute doses of knowledge on market rents, hiring property managers, finding tenants, depreciation & recapture, and your taxes.  When you hear people say “The rent pays the mortgage”, that means they’re actually losing money.  If you lose a little every month for 11 years, that means you’re essentially running a charity for tenants.

Other resources would be Rich Carey of RichOnMoney (an Air Force servicemember who’s reached FI on rental real estate) or David Pere of FromMilitaryToMillionaire (a Marine out here at Kaneohe, also a RE investor who can analyze cash flow).  At the very least you should drop by your base’s family financial support center or even Navy-Marine Corps Relief Society to get help with a rental cash-flow analysis.  Those last two groups would rather see you now instead of after you’ve wiped yourself out on landlording expenses or get behind on a mortgage.

The answer to your pay-down-the-mortgage question is “Not yet.”  You don’t have enough cash reserves, let alone a handle on the rental-property numbers.  Start saving more in your Roth IRAs (in a Vanguard account, perhaps a short-term bond fund) or a high-yield savings account.  Build up your landlord emergency fund while you crunch the numbers on the landlord-or-sell decision.

Expected ER expenses: Unknown at this point, but it is my goal to be mortgage-free and have money to travel.  We have cheap, fulfilling hobbies (fishing, hiking/biking, play instruments, art), value efficiency in our vehicles, etc.  Our biggest expense-related goal would be to see the corners of the world while health is on our side.
You could project your retirement expenses at today’s spending, which would be a conservative estimate.  Then tinker with the numbers to reflect more travel, less time in your residence (rental or home), less commuting expenses, and reasonable expenses for hobbies.

The good news here is that military retirees get Space A privileges on military flights around the world, and you’ve already figured out how to travel hack with rewards cards. 

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Re: 29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2019, 11:11:23 AM »
Nords makes me wish I was in the military just so he could give me advice about my life ;-)

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Re: 29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2019, 11:57:18 AM »
Nords makes me wish I was in the military just so he could give me advice about my life ;-)
"Psst-- high savings rate!  Pass it along..."

But seriously, I wish I'd made the time to learn this stuff when I was in uniform.  A high savings rate managed to overcome all of our classic mistakes, yet we made our path to FI a lot rockier than it could have been.  I've had way too much experience with the phrases "0% down" and "real estate always goes up".

Our daughter and son-in-law are both active duty, so now I can pay forward all this accumulated experience (and some wisdom) to family as well as shipmates, servicemembers, & vets.  I also enjoy talking through FI questions at Camp Mustache, CampFI, and FinCon.  I have high hopes for Chautauqua, too.

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Re: 29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2019, 04:38:37 AM »
Congrats on finding FIRE and MMM!

You look to be making great strides.  Your cell phone bill seems really high.  I pay $138/month for 4 lines with Verizon, unlimited data.  That is too much as well, but some battles are worth fighting in my house and some aren't. 

I'm a fellow sea-service guy (Navy), retired last summer after 28 years.  Life is good!

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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2019, 11:04:12 AM »
Thank you for the replies.  @Nords Your reply is very insightful and has put me in an uneasy spot.  I'm currently on a detachment for a few weeks but plan to use the resources available to me to dig into the viability of my property as a rental.  I'll post an update afterwards!

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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2019, 11:21:32 AM »
Love you, @Nords. One of my children is looking at a military career . . . I get really uneasy about it until I remember you are here with good advice and good experiences.

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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2019, 04:49:41 PM »
@shibby719, @Nords has all the military experience. I'm just a schmuck, so I'll limit myself to one comment. The stock market or a balanced set of financial investments can be managed from anywhere in the world, so if you bite the bullet and sell that house, you have good options on where to put your money going forwards.

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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2019, 05:12:40 PM »
I've always considered base housing to be the biggest bonus of serving in the military (disclaimer:  I was in the Navy for exactly 8 weeks before they decided I wasn't fit for duty so I have no familiarity with what it's like to live in base housing).  Without getting into details on what to do with your current housing, my plan going forward in your position would be to live in base housing, spend your wife's paycheck (assuming it stays above $10,000) and invest every dollar of your take home, only investing in property if it's multi-unit/high return.  Doing it that way, a 20 year career would leave someone with a pension that they didn't actually need.

Side note:  Your 2 line cell phone plan is more than 3 times my 1 line unlimited data plan.  Unless that includes international calling (which you use), I'd go shopping for a new cell phone provider.

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Re: 29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2019, 07:47:17 PM »
Love you, @Nords. One of my children is looking at a military career . . . I get really uneasy about it until I remember you are here with good advice and good experiences.
When I was on active duty, I had to sign for custody of valuable (pilferable) government property.  The joke was that if you lost too much of it, you'd have to sign your first-born child over to the Navy until you replaced the missing gear.

When our daughter started college on her NROTC scholarship, she was 17 years and nine months old-- not quite the minimum age 18 to sign a military contract.  My worst nightmare had finally come true:  I had to sign our first-born child over to the Navy.  Luckily we only had to pay for her gear.

Anyway I'm happy to help with questions, especially if your child is considering the Navy-- and most especially if they're considering submarines.

If they haven't seen the light and want to join some other bonus branch of the service, then I can refer them to people who could answer questions.

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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2019, 02:14:08 PM »
Thanks, @Nords. She is indeed looking at the navy, but it's at least a couple of years away. She's visiting Annapolis in April. I have very mixed feelings about this. She's a rule follower and not mouthy like me (and my other child), so I suspect she'd be fine in the navy if she decides to go that route.

My nephew went for basic in the marines end of last year. I sent him your book for Christmas . . . hopefully he's hanging onto it as I don't expect he set straight away to reading it.

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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2019, 05:03:54 PM »
Thanks, @Nords. She is indeed looking at the navy, but it's at least a couple of years away. She's visiting Annapolis in April. I have very mixed feelings about this. She's a rule follower and not mouthy like me (and my other child), so I suspect she'd be fine in the navy if she decides to go that route.

My nephew went for basic in the marines end of last year. I sent him your book for Christmas . . . hopefully he's hanging onto it as I don't expect he set straight away to reading it.
Ah.  I'll bet your nephew has a pretty nuanced perspective on USNA by now!  And thank you for buying the book.

I'm USNA '82, my spouse is '83,  and our daughter made the cut for an appointment but chose to go NROTC.  Six months after she graduated from college and reported to her first ship, she met her spouse (USNA '14).  They've been married for three years (and together for two). 

If your daughter likes what she sees in April then I'd strongly urge her to do two things:
1.  Apply to attend USNA's Summer Seminar.  USNA tends to use it for applicants who seem undecided, or for applicants whose records are marginal.  If she's not accepted to Summer Seminar then her record either didn't make the cut or she's considered to be ready to sign her appointment.

2.  Contact my daughter.  She's finishing her five years of active duty in May and is transferring to the Navy Reserve, despite the prospect of 3-5 more years of Surface Warfare Officer duty for a $35K/year bonus.  Our son-in-law is staying on active duty and adding a masters from Naval Postgraduate School to his computer science degree (and a cyber warfare specialty).


For everyone else, I'm happy to talk with anyone about a service academy-- I have relatives & friends who've graduated from the big four.  However anyone who's a teen or a young adult would probably prefer to talk with my daughter & son-in-law.  Your candidate wouldn't feel my advice is relevant unless they're writing a history book.

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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2019, 10:50:07 PM »
The cell phone is extremely high. I pay $40/mo for two lines with Ting.  $250/mo in groceries for two adults isn't bad.  I spend $350 for two adults and a child. Is that $190/mo insurance for just the cars? Nothing else? Through USAA I pay $100 for two vehicles which includes renter's insurance.  Shop around.

Why are you investing more in Betterment than in the TSP?  Maximize your tax-advantaged space first, especially since it'll lower your income tax bill and you'll lose less to fees than investing in Betterment.  According to your numbers and assuming nothing else changes, you can afford to increase your contribution by nearly $2000/mo. 

Peel back all the layers on your house.  You need a clear picture on the mortgage, current and future maintenance, management, and potential income.  If it's not a cash cow, don't hang onto it.  I bought a house during a PCS and was only in it for two years.  The best I could have done for rent was to break even on just the mortgage to say nothing of the other expenses.  I sold it and had to write a $10k check at closing.  It was expensive, but I would have lost far more if I held on to it hoping it'll somehow appreciate into a profit.

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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2019, 10:57:56 AM »
@Zamboni My military service has made me who I am and has provided me with more than I could imagine.  It is a great path and you should only subject yourself to a normal amount of worrying!

@Matthew82 There's an opportunity cost to living in base housing.  If I live off base, I rate BAH.  BAH is fixed and non-taxable.  If I rate $2000 a month based on my location and I rent a place for $1300, I pocket the rest tax free to do with what I please.  If I live on base I don't have rent or utility expenses, but I lose the opportunity to establish a higher take-home pay.

@Travis I will admit that I've only recently educated myself on tax-efficient placement of funds and I have some calibrating to do.  However, I can't access any money I put in TSP for unexpected expenses.  I feel comfortable knowing that money I place in Betterment can be withdrawn if I ever have the need.  Increasing the contribution to my TSP by nearly $2,000 a month would eliminate my ability to generate liquid cash.  So I do feel my contributions are too lopsided towards Betterment at the moment but there's a healthy balance I need to find.  Thank you for your insight on your housing experience as I may be faced with a similar decision.

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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2019, 12:28:26 PM »
My military service has made me who I am and has provided me with more than I could imagine.  It is a great path and you should only subject yourself to a normal amount of worrying!
I can appreciate both sides of this part of the discussion.  My military experience was exactly what I needed for who I was as a teen/young adult (or who I needed to become), but it must've been painful to watch.  I know this because I've spent the last nine years watching our daughter go through the same process, and... it's been painful to watch.

As painful as it might have been for me (let alone for her), it's also been a tremendous growth process that's made her the successful & independent adult she is today.  She's been drinking from a fire hose for a decade, and it'll be interesting to watch her "cut back" to the Navy Reserve schedule.

@Matthew82 There's an opportunity cost to living in base housing.  If I live off base, I rate BAH.  BAH is fixed and non-taxable.  If I rate $2000 a month based on my location and I rent a place for $1300, I pocket the rest tax free to do with what I please.  If I live on base I don't have rent or utility expenses, but I lose the opportunity to establish a higher take-home pay.
That's a great point-- you can't house-hack in base housing.

I will admit that I've only recently educated myself on tax-efficient placement of funds and I have some calibrating to do.  However, I can't access any money I put in TSP for unexpected expenses.  I feel comfortable knowing that money I place in Betterment can be withdrawn if I ever have the need.  Increasing the contribution to my TSP by nearly $2,000 a month would eliminate my ability to generate liquid cash.  So I do feel my contributions are too lopsided towards Betterment at the moment but there's a healthy balance I need to find.  Thank you for your insight on your housing experience as I may be faced with a similar decision.
I agree that you can't easily touch the TSP while you're in uniform (possible yet painful).  There are more TSP withdrawal options after you leave the military, and those are fairly straightforward (rollovers and Roth IRA conversions, penalty-free and maybe even tax-free).  I would not limit TSP contributions out of a concern about being able to tap the account before age 59.5.  Instead I'd try to cram every dollar into the TSP that I could, knowing that it can be tapped-- and meanwhile it's growing tax-deferred with the other legal protections of retirement accounts.

[Side note:  Age 59.5 comes a lot faster than I expected. But I digress.]

I think another aspect of this question is whether it's worth paying Betterment instead of going to index funds at Vanguard, Fidelity, or Schwab with low expense ratios.  I'm skeptical whether Betterment's vaunted tax-loss harvesting makes their expenses worth the cost. 

In general, when there's a debate about which two places/choices should get your money, the compromise is to do half with each.  That's more complicated (and maybe more of a hassle) but that compromise can end the analysis paralysis and help everyone sleep better at night.
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Re: 29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2019, 02:42:14 PM »
I've always considered base housing to be the biggest bonus of serving in the military (disclaimer:  I was in the Navy for exactly 8 weeks before they decided I wasn't fit for duty so I have no familiarity with what it's like to live in base housing).  Without getting into details on what to do with your current housing, my plan going forward in your position would be to live in base housing, spend your wife's paycheck (assuming it stays above $10,000) and invest every dollar of your take home, only investing in property if it's multi-unit/high return.  Doing it that way, a 20 year career would leave someone with a pension that they didn't actually need.

Side note:  Your 2 line cell phone plan is more than 3 times my 1 line unlimited data plan.  Unless that includes international calling (which you use), I'd go shopping for a new cell phone provider.

I see this has been somewhat addressed, but in general, the lower your rank and the larger your family, the better deal bas housing becomes.  If you are an E-5 with 3 kids, you are going to bet a much larger (and maybe better, as far as finishes, etc.) home than your BAH would cover.  If you are an  O-5 with no kids, that's almost certainly not the case. At our last base, where living on base was mandatory, there were plenty of junior enlisted families with larger/nicer/newer/better homes than field grade officers.  (In that case, the debate was a moot point because it was required.)

In addition, as other's have mentioned, you can pocket some of your BAH.  So even if base housing would give you a larger place than BAH, it might still make sense to take the BAH because you can get a smaller house, conserve utilities, and pocket some of the allowance.

And that doesn't even get into some of the issues with living on base, many of which are just preferences, but are still important to QOL.

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Re: 29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2019, 01:42:09 PM »
@shibby719

Few things:

- T-Mobile, as a military family we pay $80 p month for 2 lines of unlimited everything.  They also give you a free Netflix subscription saving us another $12 p month

- Spouse working, I am a military spouse that has been telecommuting for 7/9 of my working years.  Not sure if her career field would jive with remote work but worth a mention. I found that networking is key to getting a job at a new duty station. Tell her to check out hiring our heroes military spouse professional network. I was able to land a job and our last duty station overseas by connecting with people on this Facebook group.

- AMEX Platinum Hack- Get those gift cards! https://thepointsguy.com/guide/2018-amex-airline-fee-credit-strategy-and-data-points/

- last thing to mention, and I know it sometimes it's nearly impossible to get to choose your next duty station, but if you ever have an opportunity to get stationed in Bahrain, do it. My spouse and I just returned from a 2 yr accompanied tour and it was a wonderful opportunity to save money and do some amazing personal travel. COLA + Tax Free Pay + Haz Pay = lots of savings if you are wise. Not to mention TSP contribution exceptions (thanks, @Nords for this write up!!)

https://the-military-guide.com/maximizing-your-thrift-savings-plan-contributions-in-a-combat-zone/

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Re: 29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2019, 02:53:49 PM »
Not to mention TSP contribution exceptions (thanks, @Nords for this write up!!)

https://the-military-guide.com/maximizing-your-thrift-savings-plan-contributions-in-a-combat-zone/
You're welcome, I'm glad it helped!

Until the TSP puts out new training guidance, that's the best reference.

Dan also has a good spreadsheet at his site:
http://keepinvestingsimplestupid.com/2019/02/01/maximizing-tsp-contributions-for-the-entire-year-when-you-deploy-to-a-combat-zone/

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Re: 29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2019, 09:01:42 AM »
I would strongly strongly encourage you not to turn that house into a rental.  I went down that path twice and neither ventures were profitable.  They took a considerable amount of energy, disrupted my personal life and caused a lot of angst for my wife.  The worst times always happened when I was at NTC or deployed

Try to sell even it means a loss.  I just sold my last rental 10 years after I bought it and never made a dime the whole time I owned.  Taxes, insurance, maintenenace, HOA etc. Every month, there was always something....

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Re: 29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2019, 10:49:34 AM »
@shibby719

Few things:

- T-Mobile, as a military family we pay $80 p month for 2 lines of unlimited everything.  They also give you a free Netflix subscription saving us another $12 p month

- Spouse working, I am a military spouse that has been telecommuting for 7/9 of my working years.  Not sure if her career field would jive with remote work but worth a mention. I found that networking is key to getting a job at a new duty station. Tell her to check out hiring our heroes military spouse professional network. I was able to land a job and our last duty station overseas by connecting with people on this Facebook group.

- AMEX Platinum Hack- Get those gift cards! https://thepointsguy.com/guide/2018-amex-airline-fee-credit-strategy-and-data-points/

- last thing to mention, and I know it sometimes it's nearly impossible to get to choose your next duty station, but if you ever have an opportunity to get stationed in Bahrain, do it. My spouse and I just returned from a 2 yr accompanied tour and it was a wonderful opportunity to save money and do some amazing personal travel. COLA + Tax Free Pay + Haz Pay = lots of savings if you are wise. Not to mention TSP contribution exceptions (thanks, @Nords for this write up!!)

https://the-military-guide.com/maximizing-your-thrift-savings-plan-contributions-in-a-combat-zone/

We have T-Mobile but we don't own our phones outright.  As far as the big cellphone companies go, they are the most military friendly as they give 50% off your bill.  The free Netflix is nice too.  Just an all around good company.

Thank you for the spouse resource.  When I was in Okinawa for a few years, the job market for the zillions of spouses was essentially babysit or sell essential oils.  Babysitting was quite lucrative once you built up a reputation.  My highly likely overseas tours coming up is going to be as a Marine Security Guard detachment commander at a U.S. embassy, so pick a two random countries for 18 months at a time.  Will be hard for her to plan for but she makes sacrifices as well.  She's in the veterinary field but as long as she can work with animals she'd be happy.

I got into travel hacking late last year.  Already up to a few Platinums lol.

I've spent some time in Bahrain, the naval base in Manama to be exact.  I lived in a top floor flat in a skyscraper with all glass walls as an E-5.  That I was assigned those accomodations blows my mind to this day.  As you've said, the pay was quite nice.

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Re: 29 year old enlisted Marine FIRE planning
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2019, 11:00:45 AM »
Welcome to The Cult and its Forum!  I'd offer my advice based on my military career but Nords is already here and he's got you covered.  Definitely get his book.  The only thing he didn't say that I would is: "don't marry a stripper."  But as a Staff Sergeant I'm guessing you sidestepped that IED years ago.