Author Topic: Case Study: Semi-early retirement plan - 2.0 (ages 43 & 38)  (Read 4287 times)

Mrbeardedbigbucks

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Age: I'm 43 years old, the Mrs is 38
Children: none
Location: New Hampshire

Investments:

Total net worth is roughly 950k but should be about $1,020,000 at the end of 2017 (without any market growth or losses).
Roughly 600k will be in my 401k and 420k in a non-retirement brokerage account. Asset allocation is about 75% stock, 20% bonds, 5% cash.


Expenses:

After revisiting our detailed budget and factoring in future health care premiums, our monthly expenses will be about $4500 per month. This includes our mortgage of $815 per month which will be paid off in 15 years. We have no other debt.

Part time income:

My wife and I can easily bring in 1k per month each working 2 or maybe 3 days per week (no more than 20 hours a week). With 24k per year in income we would only need to withdraw 30k annually from our investments. We would keep working 2 or 3 days a week for about 10 years unless of course we fall into careers or find work that we both really enjoy.

Health Care:

I’m well aware that health care premiums are likely on the rise and there’s lots of uncertainty right now but based on our state and projected income, we can currently purchase a gold level policy for $425 per month on the exchange. The wife is not completely on board with a bronze level plan. She wants something comparable to our current employer paid health insurance.  I’ve built in an extra $300 per month for our health care budget on top of the $425 per month, assuming premiums increase in 2018 (70% increase). If premiums don't increase that much then our monthly expenses will be lower.

Taxes:

We’ll keep taxable income low enough to pay 0% on capital gains and qualified dividends. I’ll rollover my 401k and implement a Roth conversion ladder over a period of years and not pay tax on the conversion as long as I keep the tax bracket low enough. We’ll have access to our retirement account before age 59 1/2. There’s also the 72T option if necessary.

Planning:

I’ve used two FIRE calculators and Fidelity’s retirement analysis and they all look successful between 90-100%. I’ve factored in 4 lump sum withdrawals- two for 10k, and two for 15k over a period of 40 years for large purchases (cars, roofs). The Fidelity analysis factors in 2.5% annual inflation.


In summary:

We both partially retire in 2018. Work 20 hours per week (or less) to bring in 2k per month. Withdrawal rate from assets will be about 3%. By the time we’re both 62, we’ll have about $3400 in social security and a pension (both inflation adjusted). I’ve reduced my social security estimate by 25% assuming social security will be cut by the time we’re 62.

With future income factored in, we really only need to fund about a 20 year retirement. Withdrawals from our assets will be minimal after 62. If necessary, once our mortgage is paid off, we can use that $815 toward health care if costs really increase that much when we're in our 50's and early 60's.

Thoughts on this plan? Retirement and investment calculators can only tell you so much. I think real life experiences from people already retired are important to consider. I'm also fairly new to retirement planning so it's very possible I'm overlooking something.

I've posted my original retirement scenario a couple weeks ago. That's why this is my 2.0 version.
Thank you for reading and commenting.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2017, 04:51:17 PM by Mrbeardedbigbucks »

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Re: Semi-early retirement plan - 2.0 (ages 43 & 38)
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2017, 08:32:52 AM »
I haven't done a detailed check of your figures, but if you're claiming a 3% withdrawal rate on your investments, with the balance of your expenses funded by part time employment, that  sounds fairly safe.  Because of the uncertainty of future health care and insurance costs (the current system could be entirely upended in the coming years), I think it's important to maintain flexibility.  Will it be possible to ramp up your PT work to deal with unanticipated expenses?  If so, then it looks like you're in pretty good shape.

One thing to consider is whether your plan would work better in a state that didn't 1) have high property taxes, and 2) did not tax income (NH taxes investment income).  If you're tied to the area because family lives there, or you just plain love it there, then I guess moving is probably a non-starter.  But if you're open to moving to a lower COL area where you could buy a house outright from the equity on your current house, and also pay thousands less per year in various taxes, then that could increase your margin of safety considerably.

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Re: Semi-early retirement plan - 2.0 (ages 43 & 38)
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2017, 04:50:11 PM »
I haven't done a detailed check of your figures, but if you're claiming a 3% withdrawal rate on your investments, with the balance of your expenses funded by part time employment, that  sounds fairly safe.  Because of the uncertainty of future health care and insurance costs (the current system could be entirely upended in the coming years), I think it's important to maintain flexibility.  Will it be possible to ramp up your PT work to deal with unanticipated expenses?  If so, then it looks like you're in pretty good shape.

One thing to consider is whether your plan would work better in a state that didn't 1) have high property taxes, and 2) did not tax income (NH taxes investment income).  If you're tied to the area because family lives there, or you just plain love it there, then I guess moving is probably a non-starter.  But if you're open to moving to a lower COL area where you could buy a house outright from the equity on your current house, and also pay thousands less per year in various taxes, then that could increase your margin of safety considerably.

We're flexible when it comes to the PT work. Ideally we would not want to work more than 3 days a week but of course we have no problem ramping that up if necessary.

If we moved to another state it would likely be to Maine. I believe their property taxes are lower depending on where you live but they have an income tax and they tax capital gains. I'm not sure which state is more beneficial from a tax stand point. NH does not have income or sales taxes but I believe we have the third highest property taxes.  You're taxed on any dividends and interest over $4800 (for joint filers). I just read there's a bill that recently passed the NH senate that will increase the dividend & income exemption to $20000 for joint filer. I'm thinking most of my investment income during retirement would come from selling shares and realizing gains. There's no tax on capital gains in NH.

Are there any states that have no income tax, low property taxes and don't tax divs/interest and capital gains?

« Last Edit: May 21, 2017, 05:36:39 PM by Mrbeardedbigbucks »

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Re: Semi-early retirement plan - 2.0 (ages 43 & 38)
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2017, 07:41:35 PM »
We're flexible when it comes to the PT work. Ideally we would not want to work more than 3 days a week but of course we have no problem ramping that up if necessary.

Yeah, if you can (and are willing to) scale up if necessary, I think your plan is looking pretty solid!

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I just read there's a bill that recently passed the NH senate that will increase the dividend & income exemption to $20000 for joint filer. I'm thinking most of my investment income during retirement would come from selling shares and realizing gains. There's no tax on capital gains in NH.

Ah, and I suppose you have tax-efficient investments in your after tax account that aren't throwing off a lot of dividends anyway.  Then it sounds like it won't hurt you to take capital gains on your taxable account to bridge the gap until you can tap your tax-deferred accounts.  If you can tolerate the high property tax and winters, then you're golden.

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Re: Case Study: Semi-early retirement plan - 2.0 (ages 43 & 38)
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2017, 04:56:09 PM »
The only question I would ask: being so young with all that free time, have you budgeted for hobbies, travel, entertainment? And what passions or callings or legacy are you planning to pursue in FIRE? Remember, $ is only one part of the equation.

That's precisely why I want to retire. I have too many passions and callings I want to pursue. I need to figure out what I want to focus on. This is difficult to do while you work full time and need to focus on a career you don't particularly enjoy.

Our hobbies are mainly cooking and various outdoor activities that don't require too much money, just the price of gas to get where we need to go. I've worked this into the budget.

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Re: Case Study: Semi-early retirement plan - 2.0 (ages 43 & 38)
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2017, 12:54:38 PM »
Then I think you're asking the right questions and are on the right track.

Be sure to keep networks with like minded people in your situation, and if possible avoid gushing about plans to (critical type)family at least until you have or are just about ready to pull the plug.

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