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Reader Case Study - Can we jump into our van yet?
« on: March 15, 2018, 06:22:52 PM »
Hi everyone!

Life Situation: Married, filing jointly, me - 38, DW - 37, no kids, live in HCOL area, no state taxes

Gross Salary/Wages:
Joint gross wages:
9,434 /month me
5,992 /month DW

15,426 /month total
185,119 /year total

Individual amounts of each Pre-tax deductions
Annual Amounts
13,585 Employer provided 401(a)
 9,055 Employer provided 403(b)#1
18,500 Optional 403(b)#2
18,500 DW’s 457
6,900 HSA
1856 employer health care premiums
4,807 DW’s Pension
73,204 Total

Other Ordinary Income:
2,000 annually

Qualified Dividends & Long Term Capital Gains:
1,300 dividends from taxable brokerage account
5,464 dividends from non taxable accounts

Rental Income, Actual Expenses, and Depreciation: If these are significant for you
NA

Adjusted Gross Income:
127,340 annually (from tax return, doesn’t exactly match the above math, not sure why)

Taxes:
Annual
17,976 Total Federal withholding tax
1,478 me Medicare tax (I don't pay into SS)
4426  DW SS tax
1035  DW Medicare tax
No state taxes

Current expenses:

% of total   Monthly   Annual
Budget


Non Discretionary   
14.66%   $718      $8,621   mortgage principle (P)
4.01%   $197      $2,360   mortgage interest (I)
11.70%   $573      $6,878   Food/alcohol/household
6.54%   $321      $3,846   Utilities(internet, elec, water, propane, septic)
9.11%   $446      $5,356   healthcare
6.05%   $296      $3,557   auto maintenance
5.66%   $277      $3,326   property taxes (T)
4.03%   $198      $2,372   heating fuel
4.02%   $197      $2,364   gasoline
3.40%   $167      $2,000   home improvement/maintenance
2.46%   $121      $1,448   car insurance
1.22%   $60      $720      home insurance (I)
72.87%   $3,571   $42,848   Total non discretionary

Luxuries         
6.80%   $333      $4,000   atm/cash/entertainment/hobbies/gifts/misc
3.40%   $167      $2,000   restaurants
1.43%   $70      $840      cell phones
12.77%   $626      $7,507   travel
2.74%   $134      $1,609   pets
1.18%   $58      $693      Union dues
      $1,330   $15,956   Total luxuries
         
      Totals
      $4,900   $58,804   Total Budget including PI
      $3,985   $47,823   Total Budget eliminating PI


Expected ER expenses:
Might be $5000 less on annual basis, so $53,000 or $42,000 depending on PI included or not

Assets:

$35k    Cash
$38k    HSA ($15k of receipts saved:)
$82k      457
$420k    401/403 (a, b)
$247k   Roth IRAs ($116,500 contributions)
$103k   After tax brokerage accounts
$135k   Trad rollover IRAs
$3k      Teachers Retirement fund that I think is matched if we hold until retirement age! (60)
$16k      Cars
$230k   House
$1,309,000   Total Assets

$132k   Present value of DW’s pension ($25k/year @ age 60 if DW retires at age 40)
$10K?   We’ll have health care covered from age 60-death via DW’s retirement program. Medicare will be primary, employer-provided as secondary, no premiums, $300 deductible, $2MM lifetime limit, pretty sweet!

$13k/year Social security for DW @ age 70 if retire @age 40.

Our AA is about 17% cash, 83% index funds (VTSAX or Fidelity versions), 0% bonds. I kept it together during this recent 10% correction!

Liabilities:
$64,000 mortgage balance
3.5%, $128,000 loan started in 2011, 15 year term, $1300 PITI, + $300 extra principle payment every month, about 4-5 years left at current payback rate.

~$4000 credit cards monthly, paid off in full every month (these are the expenses listed above, minus PITI)

Net Worth:
Net worth today including present value of Pension but not house =  $1,211,000
Net worth today including present value of Pension + house =  $1,441,000

We currently save about 69% of our after tax income, or $123k/year


Calculations/Model results:
Personal Cap:
Me going to half time, DW staying full time for 2 more years: 90% success
Both half time for 2 more years: 88%
Both full time for 2 more years: 92%
Both retire now! = 82%

CfireSim:
100% success, very hard to make fail in any reasonable situation


Specific Question(s):
We’d like to both be FI and likely RE by age 40, or about 2 years from now, but hey, the earlier the better! I’m not a big fan of my current job. I would welcome any feedback if you think we’re golden or perhaps should stick it out a bit longer. Also, any advice as to how to bridge the gap between RE and RE+5. I’m thinking to start a Roth Ladder while living on taxable accounts + HSA + 457 + Roth IRA contributions.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2018, 11:41:28 AM by FirePaddle »

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Re: Reader Case Study - Can we jump into our van yet?
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2018, 10:34:03 AM »
Unless you plan to sell your home and roll the equity into your retirement savings, I would suggest you not include it when calculating how much you need to have in order to retire.

Because you have a lot of gap years to cover, a Roth conversion ladder is probably right up your alley.  You have almost enough right now in cash, taxable accounts, and Roth contributions to cover your expenses for the first 5 years.  If I were you, over the next couple years, I'd increase after-tax savings some, in order to make sure you have enough in those accounts to cover the first 5 years.

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Re: Reader Case Study - Can we jump into our van yet?
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2018, 10:51:26 AM »
Adjusted Gross Income:
127,340 annually (from tax return, doesn’t exactly match the above math, not sure why)

Taxes:
1,478 FICA from pay stubs
If "not exactly" means "off by less than $1K" then it's probably not worth reconciling.

But if you are off by ~$10K or more, it probably is worth understanding why.

$1478 seems very low, even if neither of you pays into Soc. Sec.

What numbers do you get for AGI and taxes if you enter gross income, premiums, and retirement contributions into the case study spreadsheet?

Also, are the "Employer provided" amounts deducted from your gross pay, or are those employer contributions that do not affect your pay?

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Re: Reader Case Study - Can we jump into our van yet?
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2018, 11:45:16 AM »
Thanks for the comments zolotiyeruki. I think I might increase after-tax savings a bit. Perhaps the savings from the new tax law. Oh, yeah, I don't include the house value when calculating my withdraw amounts.

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Re: Reader Case Study - Can we jump into our van yet?
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2018, 11:52:35 AM »

What numbers do you get for AGI and taxes if you enter gross income, premiums, and retirement contributions into the case study spreadsheet?

Also, are the "Employer provided" amounts deducted from your gross pay, or are those employer contributions that do not affect your pay?

I'll investigate these and get back to you.