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Lordy

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Reader Case Study: Am I on the right path?
« on: June 07, 2017, 01:12:16 PM »
I have been following MMM for a while and massively increased my savings rate four years ago so now that I am en-route I would like the community to take a look at my trajectory.

Life Situation: 37yr, employed, no kids, in/from Germany

Gross Salary/Wages: around 130.000 EUR (before taxes, health care, pension), ~70K net

Individual amounts of each Pre-tax deductions: paying ~20% into the federal pension fund (like all employees)

Other Ordinary Income: none

Taxes: taken out of my pay-check automatically, yearly refunds around 1.000 to 1.500 EUR (so ~100 EUR/month)

Current Expenses: Averages 2.200 EUR/month, allocated are 2.500 (so far in 2017)
  • Rent: ~1000 EUR/month (includes utilities)
  • Groceries & Food: est. 250 EUR/month
  • Car: 80 EUR/month (includes parking, insurance, taxes)
  • Communication: 80 EUR/month (50 for mobile, 30 for home broadbad)
  • Extra Insurances: 40 EUR/month (liability, travel, dental)
  • Memberships: 30 EUR/month (sports, clubs)
  • Subscriptions: 50 EUR/month (Patreon, Audible, etc)
  • Healthcare: Public (15% of income, taken automatically)

Assets:
  • 250.000 EUR in cash (yes, i know)
  • 40.000 EUR invested in the market (90% Index-ETFs, 10% stupidly picked stocks)
  • 15.000 EUR in a real estate savings account (contributions are tax-deductible and receives a co-payment from the state but untouchable until 2021)
  • 400.000 EUR in real estate (I own it but a family member receives all rents and pays all bills, a usufruct/life interest thing, untouchable as well)

Liabilities: none

Summary:

I make around 5.800 EUR/month net, spending around 2.200 EUR/month.
This way I can put aside around 40.000 to 45.000 EUR each year.

I have started this year to put monthly savings into well-diversified distributing stocks and bonds ETFs.
Should the market dip significantly, I will put a chunk of cash into the market.

Questions:

  • My goal is to retire from permanent employment in around 4 years. By that time I should have around 500K in the market plus the real-estate (which will still be net-neutral).
    As the 20K/year (4% rule) don't cover my current expenses I plan to cover the rest doing project-based IT work (my field). Does that sound like a solid plan?
« Last Edit: June 08, 2017, 05:31:15 AM by Lordy »

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Re: Reader Case Study: Am I on the right path?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2017, 04:20:19 AM »
Hi,

are you paying private health insurance?
Your current expenses do not add up to 2200€ at all.

If you currently are in a Krankenkasse and plan to do self-employed work while FIRE, the private health insurance premium could be in the 500€/month range. I would start my FIRE plans by making sure you have access to affordable health insurance.

Another thing you should consider is what happens with you public pension. My guess is, that even with your current high income, if stop contributing to the public pension for the next 27 years, you will not get much from it...

Let me know what your findings are, because I would love to get to FIRE in Germany as well ;-)

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Re: Reader Case Study: Am I on the right path?
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2017, 05:42:48 AM »
are you paying private health insurance?

No, i am with the public system here. Update my original post (15% of wage).

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Your current expenses do not add up to 2200€ at all.

True. It doesn't account for things like the Nintendo Switch I bought myself for my birthday or the trip to Greece, etc.
I spend about €400 in cash every month that is basically unaccounted for but since my savings rate is already >50%
I don't worry to much about that and rather enjoy a bit.

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If you currently are in a Krankenkasse and plan to do self-employed work while FIRE, the private health insurance premium could be in the 500€/month range. I would start my FIRE plans by making sure you have access to affordable health insurance.

My plan is to stay on the public system.
Both because I believe it is the right thing to do and because as my income declines in FIRE so will my insurance premium.

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Another thing you should consider is what happens with you public pension. My guess is, that even with your current high income, if stop contributing to the public pension for the next 27 years, you will not get much from it...

Fair point.

The way the system here works is that your contributions to the pension funds earns you points and once you retire you get monthly payments per point earned.
The national average salary (around 40K/year) earns you one point, but contributions are capped at around 80K/year so can earn two points per year max.

As of today I have 28 points (the average retiree should have 35-40) and if I work four more years, I will earn another 8, getting me to 36.
Those 36 points would entitle me to a pension (at 67) that would be fairly average. Not great, but not terrible either.

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Re: Reader Case Study: Am I on the right path?
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2017, 06:07:03 AM »
If you are self employed, you will have to pay the full 14,6%+X for the Krankenkasse (currently you are only paying 7,3%+X, the rest is paid by your employer).

According to http://www.selbststaendig.de/gesetzliche-krankenversicherung-krankenkasse you will have to pay 462,50€ per month if you aim for 2500€ monthly income.

Currently, it seems like health insurance isn't factored into your planed expenses for FIRE. Maybe you should start by creating a post FIRE budget to see what you really need.

BTW: You are doing great and I am a bit jealous ;)
« Last Edit: June 08, 2017, 06:39:22 AM by Feivel2000 »

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Re: Reader Case Study: Am I on the right path?
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2017, 10:15:59 AM »
There may actually be a loophole. I have just sent an inquiry about this to my insurance provider.

The health insurance premium is basically calculated as a percentage (roughly 15%) of your income.
If you are self-employed, the assumed minimum income is ~2200 EUR which leads to a premium of 330 EUR/month (plus 60 EUR/month for long-term care insurance, so around 400 total).

However, if you have no income (e.g. students) the premium is only 150 EUR/month.
While dividends and interest payments are considered income it is not clear if capital gains are as well.

So the interesting question is: What happens if you sell all your distributing ETFs before FIRE and put all that money into accumulating ETFs instead?
The fund will have to pay some taxes on the capital it is reinvesting but you would technically have no income, although the value of your portfolio would still grow and you could sell ETF shares at any point in time...

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Re: Reader Case Study: Am I on the right path?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2017, 04:22:12 PM »
So the interesting question is: What happens if you sell all your distributing ETFs before FIRE and put all that money into accumulating ETFs instead?
The fund will have to pay some taxes on the capital it is reinvesting but you would technically have no income, although the value of your portfolio would still grow and you could sell ETF shares at any point in time...

I'm afraid this might not be feasible from 2018 onwards with the new Investmentsteuerreformgesetz (you have to love these German words :) ).
The contributions for public health insurance for voluntary or self-employed coverage are based on all taxable income, including realized investment gains as well as the new "Vorabpauschale". Therefore, also accumulating ETFs are partially taxed every year, prior to realizing the capital gains.

I'm copying this from a great German investment forum (wertpapier-forum):

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Einkommensteuergesetz (EStG): § 20
(1) Zu den Einkünften aus Kapitalvermögen gehören
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3.
Investmenterträge nach § 16 des Investmentsteuergesetzes;
(https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/estg/__20.html)
 
... und im Gesetzesbeschluss zur Reform des Investmentsteuergesetzes dann passend dazu:

§ 16 Investmenterträge
(1) Erträge aus Investmentfonds (Investmenterträge) sind
1. Ausschüttungen des Investmentfonds nach § 2 Absatz 11,
2. Vorabpauschalen nach § 18 und
3. Gewinne aus der Veräußerung von Investmentanteilen nach § 19.
https://www.bundesrat.de/SharedDocs/drucksachen/2016/0301-0400/320-16.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=1
 

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Re: Reader Case Study: Am I on the right path?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2017, 04:43:28 PM »
I tried to estimate your retirement income and retirement costs to answer your question if your plan is a solid one.
tl;dr: I think what you are planning is not FIRE, but rather shifting down, since your expenses will not be covered by your investments.
In your position, I would either stay a few more years until you have reached a number that is high enough to fund FIRE or shift to a (salaried) part-time position, which already reduces the burden of being a member of the workforce substantially, covers your health insurance and adds a few extra points to your public pension.

Disclaimer: Fellow German here, so please excuse the German tax lingo here and there.
All calculations are in todays Euros and todays tax rates etc. Inflation is not factored in for simplicity (in a more detailed calculation, you should definitely factor in inflation as well as potential increases in cost/public pension).

Situation for age 41 - 67:
Income:
- Investment income (acc. to 4% Estimate): 20.000 gross * 0,72 = 14.400 net (~28% Abgeltungssteuer + SolZ + KiSt, for a worst case scenario, I would also calculate a scenario where Abgeltungssteuer is replaced with your individual tax bracket)
- Other income: ~19.200 net/year required to break even
Total: 33.600/year

Expenses:
- Current expenses: 2.200 * 12 = 26.400
- Healthcare = ~600 EUR * 12 = 7.200 (Public system for self-employed members, for an income of ~40.000 (20.000 self employed + 20.000 investment income)
Please note: If you stay in the public healthcare system, dividends, interest, realized capital gains as well as most likely the "Vorabpauschale" for investment funds  incl. ETFs (starting with 2018, see my previous post) are considered as income.
Total: 33.600/year

Situation for age 67+:
Income:
- Public pension: ~1100 gross (36 points @ 31 EUR/month, 100% taxable past 2040 = ~860 EUR net/month = 10.320 EUR/year
(Healthcare included if you are part of KVdR (Krankenversicherung der Rentner). To be eligible, you need to have been part of the public system 90% of the second half of you potential working career. If you are part of KVdR, capital income as well as rental income is not longer treated as income in terms of the health insurance)
- Investment income: 14.400 net (see above, not factoring in capital gains and further savings)
Total: 24.720/year, ~2.000 EUR gap

Expenses:
- Current expenses: 2.200 * 12 = 26.400
- Healthcare: Included in public pension
Total: 26.400

I excluded the house, since it seems that no income is arising from the house at the moment. If this might change in the future, rental income might change the equation.

This is just a back-of-the-envelope calculation but I hope it shows the importance of factoring in health insurance and the future taxation.
As I said, I would rather look into salaried part-time work and further build the stache as well as the public pension points.

--> There might be a few other loopholes you want to look into. As far as I know, a "Mini-Job/400EUR-Job" also comes with health insurance.
For a few hours of work per month, this might be a good deal. However, I'm not a tax expert, so consulting a specialist might be helpful.

On another note: How do you plan to move your cash to investments? Many people say that the best time to invest is always now, but if this feels uncomfortable, stretching the investment evenly over a longer period (e.g. 5 years) might help.
As a passive investor, I would not try to time the market.

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Re: Reader Case Study: Am I on the right path?
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2017, 05:18:12 AM »
Since this is the MMM forum after all, I have to add another alternative - Reduce your expenses to reach your goals earlier and to reduce your necessary retirement budget :)

With your goal of retiring early or shifting down in 4 years in sight, you might want to take a closer look at your overall budget. Your expenses already seem quite low to me but there is always a bit to cut here and there, right? A few thoughts below:
  • Look closely at the ~700 EUR/month discretionary or non-accounted spending: What does really add value to your life? Same for subscriptions and memberships.
  • Phone/Internet: If you own your phone, decent plans are available for 10-20 EURs including sufficient data; same for the internet, 20mbits are available for about 20 EUR if you shop around. Due to the sign-up bonuses that a lot of companies offer, it makes sense to shift providers every now and then (up to 300 EUR for a 24 month plan).
  • Insurance: Personal liability insurance with great coverage is available for 5 EUR/month with a 125 EUR deductible, travel healthcare insurance is often part of credit card packages which cost about 9 EUR/month and might include other travel-related services/insurances that suit you needs (e.g. "Reiserücktrittversicherung")
  • Your monthly car budget seems quite low. What about gas, maintenance and repair? Depending on your current car insurance and the age of your car, you could also shop around for a better insurance deal or reduce coverage to liability only. For your retirement budget, I would definitely factor in car depreciation/saving for a new car in your car budget as well.

As well as on the (passive) income side:
  • Maket sure that your cash is working hard for you until you invest it. If you don't want to invest it now, at least ensure it is placed in a "Tagesgeld"- or "Festgeld"-account with high interest rates. Please keep the 100k limit per bank for the deposit protection scheme ("Einlagensicherung") in mind.
  • What is your asset allocation and risk profile? This will also determine your longterm expected returns and your safe withdrawal rate.
  • You have mention bond ETFs. What kind of bonds are you investing in? A lot of investment grade bond ETF currently have a current yield < then your "Tagesgeld" if you factor in the total expense ratio (Example: iShares Core EUR Corp Bond ETF - ISIN IE00B3F81R35 - Current effective yield 0,79% - TER 0,20% = 0,59%--> You have a similar yield with a lot less market risk with a Tagesgeld/Festgeld combination).

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Re: Reader Case Study: Am I on the right path?
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2017, 02:58:55 PM »
@PapaBear: Thank you very much for your insightful comments, much appreciated. Vielen Dank :-)

I will try to answer to some of your points here, using quotes for (hopefully) better readability.

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I'm afraid this might not be feasible from 2018 onwards with the new Investmentsteuerreformgesetz (you have to love these German words :) ).

Yes, it seems there is no way for me to get the ultra-cheap insurance, so I will have to calculate with a minimum of 400 EUR/month.

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Situation for age 41 - 67:
Income:
- Investment income (acc. to 4% Estimate): 20.000 gross * 0,72 = 14.400 net (~28% Abgeltungssteuer + SolZ + KiSt, for a worst case scenario, I would also calculate a scenario where Abgeltungssteuer is replaced with your individual tax bracket)
- Other income: ~19.200 net/year required to break even

Finding some projects or going part-time to make 20K net a year should not be too hard.

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I excluded the house, since it seems that no income is arising from the house at the moment. If this might change in the future, rental income might change the equation.

I assume that it will generate income for me in about 20 years (when I would be 57), netting around 20K/year.

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On another note: How do you plan to move your cash to investments? Many people say that the best time to invest is always now, but if this feels uncomfortable, stretching the investment evenly over a longer period (e.g. 5 years) might help.
As a passive investor, I would not try to time the market.

Your viewpoint is absolutely correct. I found stocks to be overpriced two years ago already, yet they keep going up.
My current plan is to move 5K/month from savings into investments so that I should be fully invested in a few years.
I know market timing is bad (I have read the books), yet I feel more comfortable going one step at a time.

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Your expenses already seem quite low to me but there is always a bit to cut here and there, right?

If I wanted to get it down, the best point would probably be the discretionary spending / cash.
As I travel frequently (for business and leisure) my phone contract at 50 EUR/months is a good deal.
I currently pay 30 EUR/month for a 25 MBit-DSL which is also good as it provides neat features such as IPv6.
The car budget is so low because I actually don't really use the car. I am still considering selling it.

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You have mention bond ETFs. What kind of bonds are you investing in?

I only have one bond ETF, which is non-investment grade or "high yield": IE00B66F4759
This follows Nassim Taleb's bar-bell concept of avoiding medium-risk. At least that's how I justify it ;-)

Again, thank you very much for your (in)valuable input!

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Re: Reader Case Study: Am I on the right path?
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2017, 09:36:26 AM »
Thanks for the clarification. Sounds overall like a reasonable and well-elaborated setup on your end.

For the shift-down/retirement phase, a few further suggestions came to my mind:

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In terms of the general portfolio set-up, I would consider a multi-bucket approach:
First of all, I would calculate 2 different monthly retirement budgets: The first one very bare-bone, maybe only rent, food, necessary insurances and communication. The second one as your desired budget with discretionary spending, car budget and all the required splurges that make your retirement great.
Then, you divide your portfolio in three different buckets:
  • The liquidity/security part: e.g. 6 times your bare-bones expenses, held in cash or current deposit
  • The income part: Distributing ETFs at your regular broker, where distributions are taxed. In the best case, this bucket would be large enough to fund your monthly bare-bone expenses.
  • The growth part: Accumulating ETFs in an insurance wrapper (e.g., Cosmos Direkt Flexibles Vorsorgekonto Invest). Due to the insurance wrapper, no "Vorabpauschale" would be raised, rebalancing and changing ETFs can be carried out without paying taxes and after minimum 12 years in the wrapper and your 62nd birthday, only half of the capital gains are taxed if capital is taken out of the insurance wrapper
    In your case, this has a double effect: First of all the direct effect of improved compounding due to no "pre-taxation", second of all reduced healthcare cost, since the returns in the wrapper are not considered as income in terms of the public health insurance and thus do not increase your monthly healthcare premium
    (Please note: The wrapper costs about 24 EUR/year + TER of the ETF/Investment funds. Not all ETF are available in the wrapper but the most important are, e.g, on MSCI World. Of course they are trying to sell you more expensive investment funds first, but you can request a full list of the available ETF via their contact form. One caveat: This or similar wrapper products should not be converted to a pension, since the conversion rate ("Verrentungsfaktor") is rather low. However, this is not important, since the full payout at some point 62+ is way more attractive anyways.)

With this setup, you could sleep well in various scenarios:
- In a regular market/regular self-employment situation, you have the peace of mind that your bare-bones expenses are covered by the investments and that you just work for the "fun" part
- In a market downturn, you can either cut costs closer to the bare-bones expenses or pick-up more freelance projects
- In a dire job/project market with lower project income, you can either cut cost to the bare-bones or shift money from the growth bucket to consumption (and bite the tax-bullet)
- Short term dips can always be covered with the liquidity/security cushion you have in accessible accounts
- When your rental income kicks in, rental income can replace either project work or investment income and you can shift a portion of the income part to the wrapper in the growth part

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Additionally, a tactical suggestions for the transition from regular employment to semi-retirement/self-employment, in case you don't know about it yet:
You can game the tax rate system by pre-paying your health insurance and save a few thousand EUR for your first years of retirement:
As a self-employed member of the public health insurance, you can pay up to 30 months of insurance in advance. If you do that in December of your last year with your regular income (@ 42% marginal tax rate), you can fully deduct it from your regular income in that year.
In the following years with only investment income and project income, you should have a lower marginal tax rate  - the difference in the tax rates multiplied by the prepaid amount is roughly your return on this investment.
More information on the procedure can be found e.g. here http://der-privatier.com/kap-10-2-vorauszahlung-von-krankenkassenbeitraegen/

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Again, a lot of text :) I hope there are some helpful bits and pieces included. Best of luck with pushing your early retirement forward in the next 4 years.
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