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madhadron

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A Mustachian 3 hour commute?
« on: April 07, 2018, 07:21:30 PM »
I have two aspects to my life that seem very un-Mustachian at first:

  • I commute a total of three hours a day, four days a week.
  • Our house has a mortgage, and we're not paying it off as fast as possible.

Weirdly, I think that they both are quite Mustachian.

My wife and I have two small children. She stays at home with them, since she loves doing so and burned out on her career and has yet to feel any impulse to pick it up again.

So, that commute. I live on an island near Seattle. I bike about a mile from my house to the ferry dock, relax on the ferry to Seattle, then bike about two miles uphill to my office. It takes about 90 minutes. The reverse takes around 80 minutes, since it's downhill. It costs me $55/month, after my employer reimburses part of my ferry fees. In the morning I spend the ferry crossing mostly visiting with friends. In the afternoon I usually curl up in a corner and read.

I could get a job that is entirely remote, and not commute, but my current job, with salary, stock, and perks like the company giving us $3k/year to cover expenses for our kids brings in between $225k/year and $250k/year. The remote jobs that I have found will generally have a total compensation closer to $150k/year to $190k/year.

We could also perhaps move back into the city, but when we bought, property on our island was running $200k to $300k cheaper for comparable walkability than in the city.

And the mortgage. My parents hold it. We pay them, take the mortgage interest deduction, and they put the money into various accounts. Our interest rate is fixed at a rate below the expected 4% return on capital. Because there is a non-trivial interest rate, the purchase doesn't get taxed as a gift, and they only pay taxes on the payments. They hold my sister's mortgage, doing the same thing. They're already financially independent, so this is basically a way of shuffling money around in the family. My father jokingly refers to it as "la cosa nostra."
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SustainableStache

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Re: A Mustachian 3 hour commute?
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2018, 07:50:58 PM »
That sounds like a nice commute to me. In fact, my employer has an office in Seattle and I've been eyeing island homes with a ferry commute. My wife has a remote job so the commute would fall on me. A lot of my job is spent on the phone, so if there is cell phone reception on that ferry, I wouldn't miss a beat.

As far as the mortgage goes, tons of people are strategically NOT paying off their mortgage early. It's pretty mustachian. With a low fixed rate under 4%, it makes sense to invest those dollars in the market. Tons of threads on here about this.

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Re: A Mustachian 3 hour commute?
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2018, 08:42:17 PM »
I drove 140 mile round trip commute for 4.5 years, just under 3 hours a day. Yours does sound a little more enjoyable and much cheaper. It gets old, I worked 9 hour days so I would leave around 4:30 and get home around 5:25, it made for long days. I know some people do this a long time but it really started impacting my mood negatively. I was just waiting my turn to transfer to a closer work location.

What would you do with that extra time? For me, I now get to spend most of my extra time with my kids and wife. I leave for work at 6:40 and am home by 3:45.

I’m assuming since you have a job that would allow you to work remotely means you might also have the potential to set up a side business and earn some extra income.

Your currently spending +\- 600 hours a year commuting.

Say the pay/ benefits set you back in financial goals 2 years, if you took the remote job, 6.6 years in you would have saved 4,000 hours in commuting or (2 years).

Another easy way, at your current job every 3.33 years you work there, you have spent 2,000 hours commuting.

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Re: A Mustachian 3 hour commute?
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2018, 08:43:22 PM »
That sounds like a fabulous commute to me.

I had a business trip once to Friday Harbor. What a fabulous little spot! I still dream of going back. I walked from my hotel to the supplier, and was told about someone who kayaked to work. Aaah

madhadron

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Re: A Mustachian 3 hour commute?
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2018, 09:18:26 PM »
Livethedream, if I were spending it stuck in a car, I would have never taken the job in the first place. As it is, I do pine for the hours. On the other hand, I wrote a book over the course of nine months on that ferry ride, so I can't really declare it lost.

SustainableStache, I would look out in Bremerton right now. The new fast foot ferry makes it about the same time-wise as my commute, but Bremerton is a way more affordable place to live right now. The service is still new, so they don't have all the capacity they need and occasionally the route goes out entirely and you have to fall back to the much slower car ferry, but that's what I'm advising people interested in moving over the water these days.

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Re: A Mustachian 3 hour commute?
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2018, 07:58:30 AM »

If your job has reasonable working hours, and you use your commute time for exercise (biking) and relaxing (nice ferry ride) and it's cheap and you get to live in a fabulous place (beautiful island) then the commute sounds OK to me.  I approve.  :)

If I were you I'd try to push for 1 or 2 days working for home though just to add back some hours in your week. 

SustainableStache

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Re: A Mustachian 3 hour commute?
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2018, 08:26:07 PM »
I'll look into Bremerton - thanks for the tip!

SustainableStache, I would look out in Bremerton right now. The new fast foot ferry makes it about the same time-wise as my commute, but Bremerton is a way more affordable place to live right now. The service is still new, so they don't have all the capacity they need and occasionally the route goes out entirely and you have to fall back to the much slower car ferry, but that's what I'm advising people interested in moving over the water these days.

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Re: A Mustachian 3 hour commute?
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2018, 11:36:11 PM »
My commute is ~2 hours one way, depending on which bus/trains I catch. My primary route is 50 minute subway + 10 minute train + 45 minute bus (plus layovers between). Since I'm not driving, I read or do homework or nap. Not quite as nice as yours, but way better than driving.

It helps that on a normal week, I only go to the office Tues/Weds/Thurs. I used to have to go up all five days, and it was awful.

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Re: A Mustachian 3 hour commute?
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2018, 01:02:57 PM »
I have no idea if this is feasible, but does the ferry have wifi? I know you said you wrote a book while on the ferry, but I wonder if you also have the option of "working remotely" from the ferry and then being able to go home earlier in the day?

My commute is a 25 minute bus ride, where it picks me up a block from my house and drops me off a block from my office. It's pretty sweet. The buses all have wifi so I check email and do some work during that time, and then I leave the office an hour early. I get into the office at 8:45 and leave at 3:45pm, with ~25 mins on either end, and then I'm totally done for the day at 4:15 (and I'm already at home!) which is absolutely glorious.