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somehuman

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Which accounts to draw down first canada?
« on: October 09, 2021, 10:18:59 AM »
43 in Canada

I'm looking to pull the trigger in january.

Commuting a pension so rrsp is small.

Essentially have the following

Rrsp 125k
Tfsa 112k
LIRA will be 315k
Taxable 362k

Would be withdrawing 30-35k a year

All vanguard etfs, mainly vcn and vxc

Trying to figure out what makes sense for withdrawals? What accounts should I start with?

Would appreciate any feedback, thanks
« Last Edit: October 09, 2021, 10:29:52 AM by somehuman »

amrf

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Re: Which accounts to draw down first canada?
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2021, 09:58:09 PM »
We are 54 & 46 yrs old and have just retired. We plan to withdraw from RRSP to cover our expenses until one of us reach 65. We also plan to get early CPP at the age of 60. We will not touch TFSA and will let it grow as long as possible.

To put me in your shoes, here's what I would do if I don't have other sources of income:

1. Starting next year until when you are 54 yrs old: Withdraw from RRSP (e.g. 125k/11 yrs = 11300/yr) & Taxable (e.g. 23700/yr); withdraw extra $6000 from taxable to contribute to TFSA annually.
2. from 55-64 yrs old: withdraw from LIRA (maximum percentage; need to convert to LIF first, depending on the rules in your province) & the rest from taxable; continue to contribute to TFSA.
3. from 65 yrs old and onward:  CPP+OAS+GIS+LIRA+taxable+TFSA

In other words, withdraw from RRSP and LIRA annually as early as you can, before you reach 65. Grow your TFSA as much as you can. The income generated from TFSA is tax-free and will not affect your OAS/GIS eligibility and clawback.

Hope that makes sense.
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Re: Which accounts to draw down first canada?
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2021, 06:08:55 AM »
draining a LRRIF is a PIA, the government 'protects' you from yourself.  It is impossible to drain it early, the only exceptions being claiming financial hardship once you're over age 55, and when the balance is low (can't find the amount right now, I think it is 1/2 of the max pensionable earnings for the year).   The maximum % you can withdraw will not be significantly higher than minimum withdrawal required.   To the best of my knowledge the chart in the link is accurate.   Withdrawal maximum will depend on whether it is federally regulated or provincial and then which province.   I have both a federally regulated and provincially regulated RRSP, plus my personal RRSP.

https://ca.rbcwealthmanagement.com/documents/634020/2289317/2021+-+Registered+Plan+Minimums+and+Maximums.pdf/ded97359-099d-4650-b626-67358d78f3af

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Re: Which accounts to draw down first canada?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2021, 08:56:26 AM »
Total PITA...

Here is the link for Ontario (the "small balance" amount you can unlock all at once is 40% of max pensionable earnings (roughly 60K) - I think some of the other provinces are even lower.

https://www.fsco.gov.on.ca/en/pensions/lockedin/faq/Pages/li-account2009qanda.aspx