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macleod7066

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Life Situation: 34/M, divorced as of November last year, 10 year old girl who I have half the time. Live about 21 miles from work, and work for the Federal Government. I work from home two days a week.
  • Late bloomer on Mustachianism, but this is a great time to really buckle down and get everything in line.  I am naturally frugal, and do not like to waste money on things, but I do/did like the finer things.  Eating out at nice restaurants, a higher standard of living, bigger house, etc.
  • Closing on my house May 26 with a rough agreement on a house being remodeled.  Will probably have to stay in an hotel while it is being finished if I go that route.  If not, apartment here I come.  The remodel house will be fully remodeled, good neighborhood, but will be pushing the 200k range ($1400/mo payment).  I wanted to be down at 180k, although the remodel will be everything I want, and I picked out the tile, kitchens, bathrooms, color schema (thanks mom), etc.  Basically, I designed all the major rooms. Some sweat equity like painting will need to be done.

Gross Salary/Wages: $102,000 or $8500/mo

Individual amounts of each Pre-tax deductions: Currently max out TSP $18,000, also get match of 5%. 

Other Ordinary Income: 17,520 tax free from Veterans Disability, potential for a short term increase of $1,000 monthly if I go back to school.  (Already enrolled for fall)

Rental Income: Averaged to be $650/mo from first house in the city.  This is minus fees and repairs.  Currently rented, and Mortgage payment is $850 with PITI.  (Principal ≈ $200, Interest ≈ $335)

Taxes: $2400/mo 

Insurance: $440/mo

Current expenses $4500/mo:

  • Current Mortgage: $1800/mo PITI. (Principal ≈ $481, Interest ≈ $769)
  • Child Support: $800/mo
  • Utilities: $400/mo
  • Cell Phone: $50/mo, split three-way with parents
  • Groceries: $400/mo, split three-way with parents
  • Cable/Internet: $136/mo, I should get rid of it, but 10 year old...
  • Occasional Dining Out: $100/mo, varies by month.
  • Pet Care: $100/mo, yearly average
  • Gas/Maintenance: $400/mo
  • Cell Phone: $50, split three-way with parents
  • Misc. house stuff: $150/mo
  • Entertainment: 1$50/mo, mini golf, things for the daughter...

Assets: Amount & description:

  • TSP: $95,000
  • Vanguard Roth IRA: $10,500
  • Current House: 30k equity, breaking even on it when I sell
  • Slush Fund: 13k, will move into stocks once I figure out housing situation

I am pretty much 95% VTSAX.  TSP is roughly same allocation (manual) of the VTSAX.

Liabilities:
Just the two houses
  • Current Owe $246,000, bought for $270,000(3.75%, 30 year, VA)
  • Rental(first home), $64,000, bought for $80,000.  Worth $60,000 (6.5% interest, bought at the top of 2008)

Specific Question(s): Ok, couple of questions that I need some advice on.
  • Struggling to get my savings rate up to 50-65% is it even possible?  I knew selling my house and getting out of a $1800 was the first start.
  • Any ideas on the rental, or just keep renting it?  Thought about moving back into it, but it is a really bad school district that I will not send my daughter back to.
  • When buying my next house, I keep looking for upgrades, ie. the remodel.  Any tips on downgrading and accepting lesser features in the house.  I am talking about larger kitchen, lights,  bathrooms, amenities like central air?
  • Other than biking to work, I am looking for other face punch worthy things to eliminate.
  • About to dive back in the dating scene, read the forums, some entertaining posts there.  Any tips on how to stay frugal, while simultaneously trying to date, outside of there?
  • Don't really have any hobbies.  Any tips on finding something you love?  Only thing that I put time into is my daughter and internet/gaming when I don't have her.  I need a life.  Otherwise, what is the point in doing all this.
  • Life Insurance, how much is too much?  I currently pay about $80/mo to two sources for about $450K each.  Am I just throwing money away?
« Last Edit: April 23, 2017, 09:15:02 PM by macleod7066 »

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Re: Help in general, feels like I can't get to a high savings rate
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2017, 11:32:07 PM »
Specific Question(s): Ok, couple of questions that I need some advice on.
  • Struggling to get my savings rate up to 50-65% is it even possible?  I knew selling my house and getting out of a $1800 was the first start.
  • Any ideas on the rental, or just keep renting it?  Thought about moving back into it, but it is a really bad school district that I will not send my daughter back to.
  • When buying my next house, I keep looking for upgrades, ie. the remodel.  Any tips on downgrading and accepting lesser features in the house.  I am talking about larger kitchen, lights,  bathrooms, amenities like central air?
  • Other than biking to work, I am looking for other face punch worthy things to eliminate.
  • About to dive back in the dating scene, read the forums, some entertaining posts there.  Any tips on how to stay frugal, while simultaneously trying to date, outside of there?
  • Don't really have any hobbies.  Any tips on finding something you love?  Only thing that I put time into is my daughter and internet/gaming when I don't have her.  I need a life.  Otherwise, what is the point in doing all this.
  • Life Insurance, how much is too much?  I currently pay about $80/mo to two sources for about $450K each.  Am I just throwing money away?
1) You might try putting your numbers into the case study spreadsheet, then adjusting based on what seems doable....
2) See Evaluating a Rental Property and other threads on that board.
3) That's really up to you.  Frugality is nice, but you don't have to give up indoor plumbing (unless you really like outhouses), etc.  Where one falls on the "no indoor plumbing" to "solid gold plumbing fixtures" spectrum is a choice.
4) Cable.  For your daughter, books are cheaper and the better her reading ability the better her life long prospects.  Or outdoor play.
5&6) Any community coed sports?  Possibly kill two birds (dating/hobby) with one stone.  Volunteer work in any number of places is another possibility.
7) Doubtful that you need $900K insurance.  E.g., $800/mo child support * 12 mo. * 10 years + $100K college = ~$200K.  Cancelling one of the two policies seems reasonable.

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Re: Help in general, feels like I can't get to a high savings rate
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2017, 07:08:13 AM »
One quick thought:  can your daughter's school district be based on your ex's address?  It seems that the first home is a lose-lose right now -- you are either selling and taking the loss now, or you are slowly bleeding a few hundred bucks a month long-term.  So moving back in would both cut your costs and stop the bleeding, if you can find a way to make that work.  Otherwise, I'd be tempted to just rip off the Band-Aid and sell it. 

On the remodeling:  what about using it as an opportunity to learn how to DIY?  The problem with remodeling is all the cash you have to pay for other people to do things for you (and usually all at once).  If you could find a place that is livable and that you could fix up over time, you could both save significant cash and build some DIY muscles that will serve you well long-term.

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Re: Help in general, feels like I can't get to a high savings rate
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2017, 10:45:13 AM »
1) You might try putting your numbers into the case study spreadsheet, then adjusting based on what seems doable....
2) See Evaluating a Rental Property and other threads on that board.
3) That's really up to you.  Frugality is nice, but you don't have to give up indoor plumbing (unless you really like outhouses), etc.  Where one falls on the "no indoor plumbing" to "solid gold plumbing fixtures" spectrum is a choice.
4) Cable.  For your daughter, books are cheaper and the better her reading ability the better her life long prospects.  Or outdoor play.
5&6) Any community coed sports?  Possibly kill two birds (dating/hobby) with one stone.  Volunteer work in any number of places is another possibility.
7) Doubtful that you need $900K insurance.  E.g., $800/mo child support * 12 mo. * 10 years + $100K college = ~$200K.  Cancelling one of the two policies seems reasonable.

Thanks for the tips.  I agree with your in door plumbing analogy, as it is somewhat subjective.  Coed sports is a great option.  I started to look at some volunteer work, but it is hard to find something I am passionate about. 
Based on those numbers 900k is way overkill.  Thanks for spelling that out for me.

One quick thought:  can your daughter's school district be based on your ex's address?  It seems that the first home is a lose-lose right now -- you are either selling and taking the loss now, or you are slowly bleeding a few hundred bucks a month long-term.  So moving back in would both cut your costs and stop the bleeding, if you can find a way to make that work.  Otherwise, I'd be tempted to just rip off the Band-Aid and sell it. 

On the remodeling:  what about using it as an opportunity to learn how to DIY?  The problem with remodeling is all the cash you have to pay for other people to do things for you (and usually all at once).  If you could find a place that is livable and that you could fix up over time, you could both save significant cash and build some DIY muscles that will serve you well long-term.

Thought about moving back in, I would have to kick the current renter out.  It also is really small, and no air conditioning.  Just more hassle then it is worth in more ways than one.  If I were to try to sell it, I might lose the renter as well.

I thought about the DIY route, that is actually what I am looking for as I want to build those skills for the future.  Problem is it is an extreme seller's market here with houses going more than asking price in a day at most, and they are just so overvalued.  Also, still trying to pull my mindset out of "nice to haves"/"look at that kitchen" mentality.  It is a lot more difficult than I expected.  This one never hit the market so no competition.  Unfortunately for this house, it needs gutted in the bathrooms and kitchen in order to even be viable.  Otherwise, I would have done it over time.

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Re: Help in general, feels like I can't get to a high savings rate
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2017, 10:52:14 AM »
1.Struggling to get my savings rate up to 50-65% is it even possible?  I knew selling my house and getting out of a $1800 was the first start.
2.Any ideas on the rental, or just keep renting it?  Thought about moving back into it, but it is a really bad school district that I will not send my daughter back to.

Maybe I'm the crazy outlier here, but do the math on your rentals. In-depth math - calculate all the costs, hoa fees, depreciation, mileage to visit them, interest cost, etc. You have a $300/mo difference between the PITI and your interest/principal.. which is either pretty high property tax or looks suspiciously like mortgage insurance..
Make a spreadsheet for each property. Maybe you already have this, but I'm not sure. Almost all your expenses for a rental should be deductible, and if you expect your income to drop in the next few years you can depreciate now and take the cap gains later. See if that changes your perspective.
Also, check your child support laws: Some states count total income, meaning every single cent you make from as many jobs as you have, and some states only count income from your primary job. I'm not advocating you skirt around support laws, but take advantage where you can - and you're extremely fortunate to pay as little as you do. That said, it may make it worth your while to keep one or both properties if they don't count against you. If it does - it may be advantageous to dump the properties and diversify into equities and partnerships that primarily return capital or provide growth, rather than pay dividends or rent.


3.When buying my next house, I keep looking for upgrades, ie. the remodel.  Any tips on downgrading and accepting lesser features in the house.  I am talking about larger kitchen, lights,  bathrooms, amenities like central air?

My overall advice for housing: find the structure you want, with decent bones in it, that will support what you want to do with it over a few years (to give you time to find good people to help). You can't change the way a house faces, the way it's framed, or the road noise that you get.. everything else is pretty negotiable.

Specifically:
I only look for properties with equity baked into the deal - and I look at: First - the roof, get on the roof and look in the attic before you ever make an offer if at all possible. Second - air conditioning / heat / water heater units - the newer and more efficient the better. Third, plumbing - what type of plumbing (especially what type of copper), age of the pipes, and how they are connected - soldered/glued/newer connections (shark bites, etc on the plumbing fixtures), and tub/showers...I go for older ones that have some service left in them but I will make some money by remodeling. If buying older properties - make sure you know what kind of electrical is in the walls. If buying a house that is being flipped - most flippers will avoid or skimp on these areas because: You can spend real money fixing these areas.

Kitchen: Look at where the kitchen sits in the structure, how many walls around it are load bearing and could you knock out some to open it up if you needed to.
The rest of the stuff: Light fixtures are super easy to change out yourself (and tons in thrift/consignment stores), and you can find dozens of handymen to do drywall, stucco, masonry, removing non-load bearing walls, or other work if you know what you want.

4.Other than biking to work, I am looking for other face punch worthy things to eliminate.

Eliminate Cable: Netflix/Amazon don't have commercials. And boardgames are awesome. I randomly pick up a few at goodwill just to find out if all the pieces are there, or at least enough to play. I find if my daughter avoids the commercials and advertisements on regular tv then she wants fewer toys and we spend more quality time together.

Vehicle: That's a lot to spend on a vehicle to only go 21 miles to work 3 days a week.. Even including depreciation on my vehicle, I think I spend less than that to commute to a job 150 miles away from my house (I do only make one 300 mile round trip a week though).

5.About to dive back in the dating scene, read the forums, some entertaining posts there.  Any tips on how to stay frugal, while simultaneously trying to date, outside of there?

Walks in parks, hiking, coffee dates, street fairs...you have a pet, dog walking / dog park ? Things that involve quality time. Dinners, Shows, Movies, are fun in moderation but all involve sitting for several hours in one place.. if that's how you want a significant portion of the rest of your life to be then pursue those activities first instead. Once you get a couple dates in, I think cooking at home and a bottle of wine is apropos.. but maybe I'm just a boring individual.

6.Don't really have any hobbies.  Any tips on finding something you love?  Only thing that I put time into is my daughter and internet/gaming when I don't have her.  I need a life.  Otherwise, what is the point in doing all this.

Try to learn something new every day. Start a project, even if you never finish it. Deepen the relationships you have with your siblings, parents, other relatives..in a way that isn't facebook. Volunteer, it also can be an awesome way to meet quality people to date - try looking at volunteer.gov.  Grow something, start with an herb garden in your kitchen window - my daughter and I plant all kinds of things together. Plus there are usually free garden workshops that community colleges put on.

7.Life Insurance, how much is too much?  I currently pay about $80/mo to two sources for about $450K each.  Am I just throwing money away?

Yep, just throwing money away. You only need enough to pay out your child support and pay off your debts. I think you only need about 400k, and maybe drop it down to 200-250k in the next few years.
You should be more concerned with where the money will go, and how it gets there, if you pass away; what kind of will, trust, etc do you have that protects that nest egg and provides for your child at the same time.

* If you have rental properties operating as a sole proprietorship or as a sole LLC...then pretty please pick up an umbrella insurance policy. USAA tends to have good pricing if you are a member.

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Re: Help in general, feels like I can't get to a high savings rate
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2017, 10:22:54 AM »
You're a divorced guy with one child.  You didn't mention how big your current house is, but in your situation, you don't need a big or fancy house IMO.  When you say that the kitchen and bathrooms in the new house need to be gutted, is that really true, or are they still usable but ugly/old/dilapidated?

You're single with an income in the $125k range, which puts you way into the 25% tax bracket.  Add 7.5% for FICA, plus whatever your local income tax rate is, and you're probably near 35-40% income taxes.  If you want a 50% savings rate, that doesn't leave you with much room for your living expenses :)

I'm not convinced your rental is profitable enough to make it a worthwhile investment, but I don't know enough to say that for sure.

WRT downsizing/downgrading, I think it helps to figure out what things/features you actually use in your house, and which things are unneeded, or are too big.  Also, rather than looking at "ooh, shiny kitchen, so updated/fancy/stylish*," think about what things in your current residence bother you on a daily basis, and look to rectify that in your new-to-you home.  Also, don't fall for the idea that you have to complete the entire renovation at once.  You can replace appliances later, if they continue to bother you. You can change the flooring later, if it makes you want to puke every day.  You can do one bathroom now, and DIY the other one later.

* - these three terms are very consumerist, and should be ignored.  Update a kitchen, and it'll be out of date in a decade.  Fancy stuff migrates into consumer-level products in a few years.  Styles change, usually with the sole purpose of getting people to spend more money.  On the other hand, a stainless steel, top-mount sink will be exactly as functional twenty years from now as it currently is, even if it's currently unfashionable.  An over-the-range microwave is annoying now, and will still be a terrible design choice 20 years from now.  A electromechanical washing machine (i.e. no electronics, the cheaper models) will be cheaper and easier to repair 10 years from now, and less likely to experience a $250 control board failure, and will wash your clothes just as well.

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Re: Help in general, feels like I can't get to a high savings rate
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2017, 03:55:51 PM »
Are you buying a remodeled home or remodeling a home? From personal experience, if you are renovating an old home expect the price to be much higher than you expected. There's always expensive problems hiding in wall.