Author Topic: Getting on track  (Read 1766 times)

jking11

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Getting on track
« on: December 27, 2017, 12:18:33 PM »
Hello all, Looking for guidance.  My wife and I always say we need to get our spending under control, but then we never end up doing it.  I use personal capital and just downloaded budget boss(iphone app).  Wow is this sobering.
My wife and I are both 31.  She makes ~$110k.  I make ~$105k.  We both work in healthcare(PA and PT, respectively).  We live in Chicago in the city.  we don't have a car(we take public transport deducted pre-tax via paycheck, or kids-but we do have a dog and are planning on having kids in the next 2 years.
After taxes, take home yearly is ~131k. 
403b/pension/roth/ira: $101k
Checking: ~12000
Savings : ~4000
HSA: $8k($6k invested) and I max out family max each year)
CC debt at 0%: 9400(debt swapped a student loan that was 8%)-we plan on paying this off $1000/month
other CC debt: $5000, but we pay when it's due so as not to incur interest.  I use CCs for points (mainly chase) and that has paid for a lot of vacation airfare and hotel over the last few years.
Student loans: 150k(federal-due to be discharged via Public service loan forgiveness in January 2023-I pay $900/month for this); other student loans amount to ~$80k(for which we currently pay $10,300/yr towards-all under 4.5%)
Mortgage: 277k @4%, with another hoa payment of $400/mo, taxes ~$400/mo.  Housing equals out to about $33.3k/yr.
It seems like we just can't get our spending under control.  We work A LOT, and my in laws are "keeping up with the joneses" kind of people, and the rest of her family is very very wealthy-so she feels tremendous pressure to keep up, especially around the holidays.  We both started working at 25 due to grad school, I have paid down private student loans by $30k before I met her(while paying the separate fedloan payment); She paid down ~120k in 3 years before I met her.  We have been married for 16 months.  We are extremely smart  but our downfall is being too impulsive(amazon, retail therapy).  What suggestions do you have to help us sober up and stay on track.  Ideally we could snowbird to AZ in winter and live in Chicago the rest of the year when we are older-and hopefully retire young. 
please no suggestions to work more.  I work 50-60 hours/wk(40 ft salary at $85k doing 4/10s, and a 10 on my day off every week for ~$20k).  My wife works a very demanding schedule at the hospital.  Just need some help staying on track with more practical ideas.
Thanks!

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Re: Getting on track
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2017, 12:41:02 PM »
Based on the tables below, you could have ~$55K/yr for food, clothing, entertainment, etc. (no housing - that is already considered), and taxable investing, after contributing the max to
- 401ks
- HSA
- Roth IRAs

Is that what you see also?

Paycheck frequency:AnnualAnnual
Paycheck ItemsEarner #1Earner #2Annual
Gross Salary/Wages
$110,000$105,000$215,000
Employer-sponsored HSA$0$6,750$6,750
FICA base salary/wages
$110,000$98,250$208,250
401(k) / 403(b) / TSP / etc.$18,000$18,000$36,000
W-2 Box 1
$92,000$80,250$172,250
1040 AGI
$172,250
Other Specific Investment TypesAnnualAnnualAnnual
Roth IRA$5,500$5,500$11,000
Payroll TaxesAnnualAnnualAnnual
Social Security$6,820$6,092$12,912
Medicare$1,595$1,425$3,020
Income Taxes
Federal tax$26,4952017, MFJ, item., 2 ex.$26,495
State+local tax$8,311IL state calc'n$8,311
Total income taxes$50,737$50,737
Monthly
Income before other expenses$9,209$110,513
Monthly Average ExpensesComments
Mortgage$2,049Input to Item. Ded.$24,587
HOA$400$4,800
Property Tax$400Input to Item. Ded.$4,800
Non-mortgage total
$800$9,600
Loans
Student Loan$900$10,799
Student Loan$858$10,300
Total Expense
$4,607$55,287
Total to invest$4,602$55,226
Summary:
"Gross" income$17,917$215,000
Income taxes$4,228$50,737
After-tax income$13,689$164,263
IRA+401k/403b/TSP/457$1,958$1,958$47,000
Living expenses$2,849$34,187
Non-mortgage loans$1,758$21,099
After-tax investable$4,602$55,226

Filing Status21=S, 2=MFJ, 3=HOH
# Exemptions2
Adult #1Adult #2
Age3131
Full-time student?00
AGI$172,250
Std. Deduct.$12,700
Act. Deduct.$24,080
Exemption$8,100
Taxable$140,070
1040 Tax$26,495
Tax after n-r credit$26,495
Net Tax$26,495
Mtg. Int. (approx.)$10,969
State tax$8,311IL
Prop tax$4,800
Item. Deduct.$24,080
VersionV9.11

Loans:Orig. Prin.Orig. LengthCurr. Prin.Yrs leftRate
Mortgage$277,00015$277,000154.0%
Student Loan$150,00021.84$150,000224.5%
Student Loan$80,0009.574$80,0009.5744.5%

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Re: Getting on track
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2017, 12:53:28 PM »
Based on the tables below, you could have ~$55K/yr for food, clothing, entertainment, etc. (no housing - that is already considered), and taxable investing, after contributing the max to
- 401ks
- HSA
- Roth IRAs

Is that what you see also?

Paycheck frequency:AnnualAnnual
Paycheck ItemsEarner #1Earner #2Annual
Gross Salary/Wages
$110,000$105,000$215,000
Employer-sponsored HSA$0$6,750$6,750
FICA base salary/wages
$110,000$98,250$208,250
401(k) / 403(b) / TSP / etc.$18,000$18,000$36,000
W-2 Box 1
$92,000$80,250$172,250
1040 AGI
$172,250
Other Specific Investment TypesAnnualAnnualAnnual
Roth IRA$5,500$5,500$11,000
Payroll TaxesAnnualAnnualAnnual
Social Security$6,820$6,092$12,912
Medicare$1,595$1,425$3,020
Income Taxes
Federal tax$26,4952017, MFJ, item., 2 ex.$26,495
State+local tax$8,311IL state calc'n$8,311
Total income taxes$50,737$50,737
Monthly
Income before other expenses$9,209$110,513
Monthly Average ExpensesComments
Mortgage$2,049Input to Item. Ded.$24,587
HOA$400$4,800
Property Tax$400Input to Item. Ded.$4,800
Non-mortgage total
$800$9,600
Loans
Student Loan$900$10,799
Student Loan$858$10,300
Total Expense
$4,607$55,287
Total to invest$4,602$55,226
Summary:
"Gross" income$17,917$215,000
Income taxes$4,228$50,737
After-tax income$13,689$164,263
IRA+401k/403b/TSP/457$1,958$1,958$47,000
Living expenses$2,849$34,187
Non-mortgage loans$1,758$21,099
After-tax investable$4,602$55,226

Filing Status21=S, 2=MFJ, 3=HOH
# Exemptions2
Adult #1Adult #2
Age3131
Full-time student?00
AGI$172,250
Std. Deduct.$12,700
Act. Deduct.$24,080
Exemption$8,100
Taxable$140,070
1040 Tax$26,495
Tax after n-r credit$26,495
Net Tax$26,495
Mtg. Int. (approx.)$10,969
State tax$8,311IL
Prop tax$4,800
Item. Deduct.$24,080
VersionV9.11

Loans:Orig. Prin.Orig. LengthCurr. Prin.Yrs leftRate
Mortgage$277,00015$277,000154.0%
Student Loan$150,00021.84$150,000224.5%
Student Loan$80,0009.574$80,0009.5744.5%


I should have specified more.  We have to file Married filing separately in order for me to be eligible for the loan forgiveness.  We make too much for Roth IRA-working on rolling ira back into employer(previously rolled from previous employer) so that we can do backdoor IRA.  Our mortgage is 30 years(29, 6months left).  Her work matches 3% for 403b when she puts in 6%(she does), and also a separate 4% pension.  my work does the same so i effectively contribute 9% to my 403b.  also the living expenses in chicago is quite unreasonable.  It's at least $1000/month in groceries, parking, uber, incidentals).  Also, we should be taking home about $5-6k more per year under the new tax plan. Also the 150k fed loan will be completely gone in exactly 61 months.  I do appreciate the quick response!
« Last Edit: December 27, 2017, 12:56:53 PM by jking11 »

 

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