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SolarCat

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Case Study: Steadily on our way? Face Punchings Needed?
« on: June 05, 2017, 02:58:42 PM »
Hallo all!
I have been a reader of MMM for a couple of years now, and although I cannot live the strict and laudable lifestyle he does, me (33 this year) and DH (34 this year) have tried to live well within our means and want to retire healthily--HOPEFULLY A WEE BIT EARLY AT 55 (year 2040 is the goal)!
We are Canadian and will probably be working in the same city (Toronto) and company for the next 20+ years.

We are looking to have children in a couple of years and even move homes (but I think the bills will stay relatively similar. Live in a 2 bedroom condo now, will be moving to a 3+ bedroom house by trading with parents), and I may have to step down to part-time while raising kids, so all of these incomes and expenses may jiggle a lot. Hopefully with my rising wages, I will be able to stave off some of the worst financial hits before heading to mat leave and then having to go to part-time for a while. I also may have to keep working a bit past 2040 to earn my pension and be able to withdraw early, but we'll see!

So I wanted to know if we look in good shape! I know we can use some belt tightening around the GROCERIES and ENTERTAINMENT bills. lol.. many face punching headed here.. We have honestly shaved off a couple of hundred bucks here and there some months, but a splurge on videogames or something similar happens to balance that all back out. It is not a fancy lifestyle, but it's pretty comfortable, so if it's doable, we'd like to maintain it! If you see something WRONG and red-flaggy though, please let me know!

Like how much can I really expect kids to cost me per kid and additional kid? Can their expenses be mostly absorbed into this already-made setup? lol

I have tried my best to fill out that excel sheet, but since it's US-based, I had to excise and remake the categories a bit to suit my needs. Hope it works!

CategoryMonthly
Comments
Annual
Current Value
Salary/Wages for DH$3,500$42,000
Salary/Wages for ME$2,750(will increase to match his in a year)$33,000
Subtotal$6250$75000
Pension contribution$621% contribution from both$744$30,000 for DH, $100 for ME
Employee Stock Buy$3835% of wages (both of us combined)$4,590$4,780 for DH, $4,600 for ME
Employer Match$98employer matches 25%$1,170$1,310 for DH, $1,027 for ME
NET INCOME AFTER DEDUCTIONS  $4528.33like income taxes, union dues, etc.$54,340
Monthly Average Expenses: Hard Bills
Mortgage Principal$305.75$3,669~88k remaining (~19 yrs @ 2.59%)
Mortgage Interest & Fees$184.58$2,215
Property Tax$63this is approximate$746sure to go up!
Maintenance$690it's an older condo lol$8,280
Electricity$65usually lower than this$780
Cable TV$38DH likes On-Demand + movie channels$450
Internet$77Rogers unlimited (100dl/10u), my fault$918
Cell Phones$2596 lines! + parents' internet$3,105
Public Transport$2682 bus passes$3,216
Life Insurance$126ME + my parents' (they poor)$1,512
Student Loan$200$2,400~$14k to pay off (~8 yrs @5.2%)
= SUBTOTAL HARD BILLS: $2,276.50$27,321
Monthly Average Expenses: Soft Bills
Groceries$542I sometimes buy for my parents too$6,500
Entertainment$260eating out and videogames mostly...$3120
Miscellaneous$100for whatever else catches fancy?$1200
Charitable contributions$15$180
Emergency Fund$100savings accounts, would like $12k total$1,200$7,000 across accounts
= SUBTOTAL SOFT BILLS: $1,017$12,200
LIVING EXPENSES TOTAL$3,293.33$39,520
NET FUNDS AFTER EXPENSES$1,235$14,820
Tax-sheltered Investments:
DH RRSP$100pre-tax; borrowed $25k for downpay$1,200$17,200
DH TFSA$541.67after-tax$6,500$27,600
ME TFSA$433.33after-tax$5,200$14,000
= TOTAL INVESTMENTS$1,075$12,900$46,200
Left over "Float Money"?:$160use to add to emergency savings?$1,920
Time to FI?:
Extra post-RE Income (pension, OAS, CPP, etc.)$19,500/yr @ 55~$40,000/yr @ 65
Time to FIRE23years
Projected Savings at 2040expected ~5%I calculated these on my own in other places
Tax-deferred (RRSP)$107,500
Tax Free/sheltered (TFSA)$750,000technically should have more but renos?
Total projected stash$857,500
Projected Expenses in Retirement
Non-loan, non-work expenses?$31,000
Change in spending after REup to $40,000 extraGONNA LIVE IT UP!!!
Annual non-tax retirement expense$71,000
Income taxesup to $6,000idk how to calculate so let's ballpark high
Total Needed Income$31,000 to 77,000
Stash needed for retirement @4.0% SWR~$800,000~$32,000/yr so it covers the basics
Have $57,000 extra?guess i will have legacy monies?


*** Extra that I don't know where to put since it can be random: most of the credit cards earn enough cash back do that we do not pay interest and actually may earn a bit, giving us more savings boost. Our tax returns usually bring about ~$2k that we can use for savings or paying outstanding bills.

Thanks for any help and suggestions!
« Last Edit: June 06, 2017, 12:55:04 PM by SolarCat »

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Re: Case Study: Steadily on our way? Face Punchings Needed?
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2017, 03:34:32 PM »
Few questions:

- Why are you covering life insurance for your parents? Are they retired? Do they need LI?
- I've never seen a case study where phones, cable and internet exceeds a mortgage repayment, but yours has come the closest.

I suppose the big question is whether you can support 3 generations - yourselves, your parents and your future children.

If you were to go on mat leave and your family to drop to one income, how would you go then?

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Re: Case Study: Steadily on our way? Face Punchings Needed?
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2017, 04:54:43 PM »
Why are you covering life insurance for your parents? Are they retired? Do they need LI?
They will be retired soon (about a year), and then they can transition onto partially saving for their own funeral expenses, but it's being kept around for now until something can be cobbled together since my sibs and I didn't have the 30k laying around should such an event occur. We're in a better position now to move on from it, but to hedge our bets, we're just waiting until the term expires/gets stupid expensive (5 years?).

I've never seen a case study where phones, cable and internet exceeds a mortgage repayment, but yours has come the closest.
Hahah I know! I don't even.. use that much internet. It's pretty much luxury utility. The condo covers for general cable package, but the addons husband wants add to the price.
My cellphone is about ~40, DH is ~30. Then the other phone lines of my parents (~25 + ~25), sibs (~40 + ~40), parents internet (~50). Most of this is under my account/name though. This is poor family pooling resources kind of deal, so we divide the bills to make it work.

I suppose the big question is whether you can support 3 generations - yourselves, your parents and your future children.
My parents will hopefully be getting enough through their bits of pension and SS (OAS in canada) to support themselves at an okay level in a year or so (they have less than zero retirement funds), which will free up money for a lot of us. Plus, I can't complain really. I'm technically going to be inheriting their house (Toronto house probably worth $600k+ by then that we would never be able to afford now) while they downsize to my condo.

If you were to go on mat leave and your family to drop to one income, how would you go then?
In Canada (or maybe Ontario?) mat/parental leave is covered by employment insurance for 52 weeks, and makes up about 55% of your average income. By then I will be making my husband's amount, so.. that kind of brings it right back up to the same level if I save right. I can probably cancel my monthly bus passes too to save a bit during my more immobile periods, and I'm sure there's savings to be had in the groceries and entertainment and "misc" area lol.
So the plan is, I ramp up savings as my wage increases enough to offset the wages lost through my pregnancy period. Let's say I will be earning my husband's rate for 1 year before being put out of commission. That's an extra 9k, so that when my parental leave/insurance benefits only cover ~$23k, I am right back where I started thereabouts (his wage will raise a bit too, but not drastically. Maybe an extra 1k annual). And also by the time that's done with, my filial duties bills will be lessened (plus my parents will help with babysitting. His parents will also help and they will be retiring around the same time!). And maybe the minimum wage will increase to $15/hr by 2019 (if Ontario's Liberal government can even hold steady and not bomb the upcoming election. There's a lot of variables going on), and maybe equal work for equal pay (part time and full-time workers making same amounts? I don't know how it will work since seniority is involved in our pay scales, but we'll see!) will kick in along with that so that hopefully my life's economics all evens out again.


I am actually not a big fan of working that hard. I try to do as little as possible that will give me enough retirement to enjoy. That's my personal min-max hobby; a lazy one. But I do need to know if it will work out. lol

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Re: Case Study: Steadily on our way? Face Punchings Needed?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2017, 05:18:33 PM »
I have tried my best to fill out that excel sheet, but since it's US-based, I had to excise and remake the categories a bit to suit my needs. Hope it works!
Appears you pulled it off - well done!

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Current Value
Mortgage + property tax$552.50bank rolls mtg + prop. tax together$6,630~89k remaining (~19 yrs)
Might be worthwhile separating the principal and interest (which stop when the mortgage is paid) from the taxes & insurance (and anything else) which continue as long as you own the property.

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Re: Case Study: Steadily on our way? Face Punchings Needed?
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2017, 06:43:34 PM »
I have tried my best to fill out that excel sheet, but since it's US-based, I had to excise and remake the categories a bit to suit my needs. Hope it works!
Appears you pulled it off - well done!

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CategoryMonthly
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Annual
Current Value
Mortgage + property tax$552.50bank rolls mtg + prop. tax together$6,630~89k remaining (~19 yrs)
Might be worthwhile separating the principal and interest (which stop when the mortgage is paid) from the taxes & insurance (and anything else) which continue as long as you own the property.
Okay, I tried to tease it apart as well as I could figure! lol There's some fees bundled in with either the mortgage + interest or the property tax (some kind of 25 dollar annual admin thing) but that's.. a small thing I can almost ignore as part of the pile.

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Re: Case Study: Steadily on our way? Face Punchings Needed?
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2017, 08:30:25 PM »
If you're getting to mid-thirties, waiting a vague couple of years is risking running up against biology.

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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2017, 08:45:30 PM »
If you're getting to mid-thirties, waiting a vague couple of years is risking running up against biology.
Gonna have one right at around 34-35! 2019! lol Right at the cusp of downhill... hahaha. Well, my mother had her last child when she was 37 and it turned out fine, so hopefully that part of genetics is on my side. The part that isn't? Possible aspergers/autism spectrum stuff (seems to run in my dad's side of the family). I am going to cross my fingers and hope the magic of modern medicine pulls us through because I don't think I am financially and mentally ready for it to happen sooner than that. But who knows.. Maybe I won't even be able to have kids? I don't think I actually care about having children enough to go through fertility treatment things and husband feels the same ambivalence, so whatever happens will happen.

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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2017, 02:29:13 PM »
Are your siblings and parents paying for their share of the phone bill?  That doesn't seem to be reflected in your numbers.
Nearly $700/mo in maintenance seems really high, even for an old condo.  Is that temporary?
You should really see about reducing your internet speed/tier.  Our family of 6 (with lots of streaming) has done fine with 10Mbps.
Your entertainment and grocery expenses seem high as well, especially considering you don't have extra mouths to feed/babysit.

Kids can be expensive, especially if you only have one or two.  It's not just the extra food or clothes, it's the bigger house (and accompanying bigger utility bills), the cost of babysitting, the diapers, etc, not to mention the lost income if you opt to become a SAHP.  But they're also amazing in lots of non-financial ways :)

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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2017, 04:08:44 PM »
Are your siblings and parents paying for their share of the phone bill?  That doesn't seem to be reflected in your numbers.
Nearly $700/mo in maintenance seems really high, even for an old condo.  Is that temporary?
You should really see about reducing your internet speed/tier.  Our family of 6 (with lots of streaming) has done fine with 10Mbps.
Your entertainment and grocery expenses seem high as well, especially considering you don't have extra mouths to feed/babysit.

Kids can be expensive, especially if you only have one or two.  It's not just the extra food or clothes, it's the bigger house (and accompanying bigger utility bills), the cost of babysitting, the diapers, etc, not to mention the lost income if you opt to become a SAHP.  But they're also amazing in lots of non-financial ways :)
No they are not! But my siblings pay for other things. My parents pay their own mortgage and medical bills. Siblings help pay for their other utilities (water, hydro, garbage, gas, etc). It works out mostly. In fact, I might not be paying my fair share? lol We don't gripe too much about those particular details, but yeah, if anything, I'm not paying enough!
I acknowledge we are.. very spendy on groceries/entertainment. I am trying to cut down about $150 of it. I'll update by the years end and see if we manage to reach that goal! We do manage it most months but end up spending on tech (and recently, on buying discount disneyworld tickets for future use). Videogames are.. so expensive these days.. hahah! Reminds me of the early 90s with these prices!

There's going to be no babysitting costs! I am determined of that! My sister and I plan to have babies roughly around the same time, and we will.. trade babysitting back and fourth if need be and grandparents making up the last bits of time as they will be retired and open to it.