Hello, Team Mustache! I am a very long time reader but this is the first time I’ve worked up the courage to post (on this or any other internet forum message board, in fact). I have been a devoted reader of MMM blog since discovering it in mid-2012 while pregnant with my second child and brainstorming ideas for how to spend less time at work and more time at home with my family. At the time, my hubby and I hoped to retire before age 50. As we learned more with the help of MMM and some other blogs we’ve found as a result of this one, we have gradually moved our date up.. age 45! ..40! ..39! ..38!
Unfortunately, due to a number of circumstances at work (leadership direction, disorganized major system launch, poor morale throughout the department, etc.), I feel like I may need to move the date up a bit more and potentially leave in the next 1-2 months. I am hoping to get some feedback from all of the experienced and knowledgeable minds on the forum as to how ready we are financially. I know we’re fairly conservative compared to some others because I’d prefer not to HAVE to go back to work in the future (though I’m willing to do so if I need to) but any and all feedback is very appreciated!
Here is some more information about my family – me (37), DH (37), DS (7), DD (4). I work full time for a large corporation today, my hubby is a stay at home dad who has a part time side gig that he absolutely loves and plans to continue for the next 10-20 years with fairly stable and consistent income to today’s.
Income
Me ~$155k
Hubby ~$15k
Savings
Cash $80k
HSA $21k
Stock Options ~$20k will cash these out just before quitting
Roth IRA $218k
401k $366k
Taxable mutual funds $215k
529 $12k
Expenses
~40k/year after we pay off our mortgage ($97k principal balance outstanding currently), which we plan to do when I quit working
No debt other than our mortgage
Other Relevant Info
-I will have a future pension of $30k that I can begin collecting when I turn 60. (fairly well-funded so high likelihood it’ll be around)
-I am of the personal opinion that SS will exist in some way, shape, or form, though we expect, for planning purposes, that it will likely be less than our current estimated payout at age 70 of ~$35k combined.
-We both have parents in their mid-60s who are in very solid financial shape. Though we are not looking forward to that day, we will receive $0.5MM+ from each set when they’re gone (and likely quite a bit more than that).
The $40k in expenses is a bit conservative – I currently have $11k budgeted for health insurance premiums, whereas current ’17 Obamacare estimate for a future annual income of ~$40k (hubby income + investment income + ROTH conversion) looks more like $4k today (all of the uncertainty around healthcare is what’s leading me to be conservative here – if we got no subsidy, full cost of insurance would be about $12k/year). We have other non-critical spending in the $40k that we prefer to have the flexibility to do but could reduce for a few years in the case of a major recession early after my FIRE. This is essentially the level of expenses that we’ve been spending for the past 3 years so no major behavioral adjustment required post-FIRE.
Summary/Questions
1. Based on fairly conservative withdrawal rates, I think we’re in pretty good shape to forego my income whenever I’m ready. Do you agree?
2. I plan to initially hold 1 year of expenses in cash and another 1-2 years of expenses in a money market to insulate us against short term drops in the market at the start of FIRE. I know we’re forgoing some earnings by keeping that money out of the market but I think it’ll help us feel more confident. I plan to slowly bleed out the money market funds over the first ~5 years until we’re just holding 1 year of expenses in cash. Are we being too conservative and risking our longer term portfolio sustainability?
3. Our $215k in taxable as well as about $120k of the ROTH are currently with Edward Jones and I know we’re paying pretty high fees. I plan to move these to Vanguard where we have the rest of our ROTHs (will use 80% VTSAX/20% VBTLX split). Bearing in mind that we’d like to pay off our mortgage within a year of FIRE, should I…
a. Transfer funds now and sell funds to pay off the mortgage in a few months? I’m concerned that this will result in us paying taxes for buying and selling funds in a short time period..
b. Wait and transfer the funds from EJ to Vanguard at the same time we pay off the mortgage (when I quit, investing only the portion of the taxable account not used to pay off the mortgage) so we won’t have to sell shortly after buying Vanguard funds?
c. Go ahead and begin paying down the mortgage with a lump sum when I cash out my stock options at FIRE but wait to transfer funds from EJ and pay off the remaining mortgage until the following year to minimize the taxes required on transferring from EJ to Vanguard (so that I won’t have my wages pushing up our taxable income and tax brackets)?
d. Other better option I’m not thinking of? I’d like to minimize taxes while being wary of income in future years when we plan to use ACA (or whatever comes next).
4. If I convert $120k of ROTH IRA to Vanguard, the annual contribution history transfers too, right? This is important as we’re planning to use these contributions after our taxable accounts and in conjunction with a ROTH ladder to access some of our retirement savings without penalty over the coming years.
Thanks so much for taking the time to read and provide feedback! This would not be possible without MMM and the folks who are willing to spend their time offering advice and I’m really appreciative!