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JenAZ

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Case Study: Is retiring now a viable option for me?
« on: April 12, 2017, 06:24:50 PM »
Alright...so..my question is.. I have been frugal for a long time, I'm wondering if I have enough to take the plunge and retire, plus... how do I deal / interact with my partner at the same time if I do this. We will be in the situation of me retiring while he continues to work - His job is very secure for the next ~10 years at a non-profit, he gets a great deal of fulfillment from it, but mine are very soul-sucking jobs that occupy me full time and on call for about 80-100 hours a week. I want to retire and then start volunteering at several non-profits around the area to fill my time.

I'm 34, my SO is 50. I have a daughter that is 8 and he has one that is in college. We are not married only because of me having cold feet.

Income-wise: With my main job, side hustles, and rentals I currently make about 120k gross (65 Primary job, 20 part time job, 35k rental properties, 10 from dividends) he makes about 100 in a very secure job. I won't include my primary job income in the numbers below - because this is the job I would be leaving.

Liabilities
House:
We have a ~350k house, with a 300k mortgage on it (1800 mo with HOA, PITI @ 3.25% - which I will never pay off..), that I am in the process of doing a light remodel on that would probably sell for around 425 when finished (the ideal holding time is 10 years from now and then to sell it and move to a LCOL - think Florida, to save on taxes and a less expensive house)
Vehicles:
2006 Nissan (my car) paid off since I drove it off the lot 11 years ago :)
2016 Nissan (his car) w/ a 30k loan attached to it.

Assets:
Mine: ~945k total.
Retirement Accts: 200k (across TSP, 457 plan, Vanguard IRAs) - I plan on doing a roth conversion ladder on the 457 plan after retirement.
Taxable Stock: 200k (Individual Stocks - mostly utilities, rail, telecom, some small tech holdings)
Real Estate: 3 rental properties with an aggregate value of ~ 525k or so, yielding 26k Net income, no debt. They are not optimized for income, but all have very long term tenants in them. One is in need of a remodel and has a very low rate of return, however it is in an appreciating area where I'm looking to remodel after I quit and then sell for 200k in 2-3 years (worth 150k now.. with 10k remodel and lots of my time..200k)
Cash: None to speak of, I use a HELOC @ 4.25% off one of the rentals as my emergency if I need to drop a few grand, I just finished paying it off last week.
Stranded Assets: I do have about 20k in stranded UGMA/UTMA accounts in utility stocks left from an odd aunt - but will do the paperwork to get control of them once I quit working. I wouldn't sell them anyway, they just keep growing slowly.
Investment Net income (Post Retirement and managing my taxes): 26k (RE) + 9k Dividends: 35k.

Pensions:
- Big Gov't pension: (I vest in 5 more years...yay!) but collect beginning at age 58: ~2k month in today's dollars and very cheap health insurance.
- Smaller Gov't Pension: I left before fully vesting: but at 65 I will get maybe ~250 mo in today's dollars, and a health insurance subsidy (that will almost cover the above health insurance cost)

His: Maybe 50k spread across retirement accounts and cash.
Pension: starts paying out at 62 - maybe $1k/mo.
He has admittedly been horrible with money :'( I have gotten him to breakeven in about a year and a half, that took massive effort on his part and I commend him for that.

Expenses
Me: 1.5k/ mo: My living expenses are cheap - $500/mo - I basically urban homestead...most of my veggies are grown and I freeze quite a bit, water is included in the HOA fees so I do my best to totally screw over my neighbors in that area. Child support @ $1k/month, on the other hand, is not cheap (I'm transgender, getting full custody of a child is a pretty uphill task for a father without even trying to explain the rest, but I keep trying so this may drop significantly in the next year or two).
I've already cut this to the bone and I am planning on this to be my expense level the next 5 years, going to 2k/month for 5 years, and dropping down to 1.5k/mo after that for the foreseeable future.

Shared Expenses: House Payment (and all associated bills, utilities, and groceries): 2.5k (1.25k each / month). This includes a small budget for renovations and improvements - I already own most of the tools, the know-how, and some materials, I expect this to decrease back to 2.25k total in 1 year post-retirement once I put solar panels up, fix things, and improve efficiency (I already set aside cash and materials for most of that separately so it's not included in any numbers - just need the time to do it all).

My total expenses: 2750/month, 33k year now->2022 .
2022->2027: 39k year
2028-On: 33k year (we will have a lower COL in Florida and I will have no child support; but I'm assuming some inflation and health costs in the numbers).

Total Net Investment/RE income: ~2900/month, 35k/year.
Part time job Income: ~1100/mo net, ~13k/year (this is my buffer, and I will continue this for another 6 years to be split between travel to family and investment contributions).


Him:
Living expenses: 1150/mo for insurances, professional dues, etc.
College Expenses: I am afraid to even ask him about this.. but 15k/year (1250mo)? - partial scholarships.

Total expenses 1150 + 1250 (house) + 1250 (college): 3650/month.
Total Income: 6000/mo, 72k/year net.

I know that's a lot...and there are not a lot of details about taxes and very specific expenses - however, I have done a lot of the math (thanks to gocurrycracker and madfientist) on taxes and I'm pretty certain about the numbers presented. Based on what I have...am I nuts to be thinking about bailing on my job? I honestly feel very guilty about doing that while my SO is still planning on working for so long. I'll happily take any comments, suggestions, or perspective provided it isn't aimed at me personally (but I already know you all are way cooler than that).


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Re: Case Study: Is retiring now a viable option for me?
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2017, 10:32:59 AM »
It looks like financially you can retire, and the real question is about your goals and interaction with your partner but I've got a few questions:

Rental income, is it $35k
Income-wise: With my main job, side hustles, and rentals I currently make about 120k gross (65 Primary job, 20 part time job, 35k rental properties, 10 from dividends)

or $26k?
Real Estate: 3 rental properties with an aggregate value of ~ 525k or so, yielding 26k Net income, no debt.

Even with $26k net rental income + $16k investment income following the 4% rule ($400k x 0.04) means you should be fine and have a safety margin. On top of that, you've got some future pension benefits (it would be good to know if you get anything from 'big gov't pension' if you leave now) and plans to lower expenses.  If I was in your shoes financially with a job I didn't like, I would be retired.

The bigger issue is personal.  I think you need to figure out the plan with your partner, if his work is fulfilling and your FI plan is to urban homestead and volunteer at non-profits you might not have a big change in your life other than you being happier.  His being in college (at age 50) also makes me think, he has professional goals that involve working for a very long time. Others here are way better at giving advice on relationship dynamics but I think the FI issue might be more loaded that presented in the original post. 

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Re: Case Study: Is retiring now a viable option for me?
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2017, 10:57:45 AM »
Hey cool, you and I have similar financial pictures in a few ways. I'm also 34 with rental property at about the same value and income. I'll follow along to see what kind of advice you get. It does seem that you can retire now if you'd like to. :)
If I were you I'd leave the job you hate and keep an open mind that you may find a new paying job that you really do enjoy. Couching it like this may relieve some of your freedom guilt and ease you and your partner into this new territory.

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Re: Case Study: Is retiring now a viable option for me?
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2017, 05:28:07 PM »
Honestly:  go for it.  It doesn't look to me like you are "quitting" your job as much as it seems you are trading one full-time job for multiple money-making or money-saving opportunities.  You have presented here, in a very short space, a tremendous list of things that you could do to earn more/save more, if only you had the time.  So take the time! 

This might also help you address the issue with your partner, too.  :-)

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Re: Case Study: Is retiring now a viable option for me?
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2017, 09:17:58 AM »
It looks like financially you can retire, and the real question is about your goals and interaction with your partner but I've got a few questions:

Rental income, is it $35k
Income-wise: With my main job, side hustles, and rentals I currently make about 120k gross (65 Primary job, 20 part time job, 35k rental properties, 10 from dividends)

or $26k?
Real Estate: 3 rental properties with an aggregate value of ~ 525k or so, yielding 26k Net income, no debt.

Even with $26k net rental income + $16k investment income following the 4% rule ($400k x 0.04) means you should be fine and have a safety margin. On top of that, you've got some future pension benefits (it would be good to know if you get anything from 'big gov't pension' if you leave now) and plans to lower expenses.  If I was in your shoes financially with a job I didn't like, I would be retired.

The bigger issue is personal.  I think you need to figure out the plan with your partner, if his work is fulfilling and your FI plan is to urban homestead and volunteer at non-profits you might not have a big change in your life other than you being happier.  His being in college (at age 50) also makes me think, he has professional goals that involve working for a very long time. Others here are way better at giving advice on relationship dynamics but I think the FI issue might be more loaded that presented in the original post.

Thank you for the comments, and let me clarify :) I'm awesome at being incredibly murky.

My net off rental properties is 26k, the gross is 35k. Total income for me (Right now): 120k gross //  ~88k Net. I have ~8k/yr in mandatory pension contributions I don't count. I will be right around 48k Net when I leave my primary job. AGI after leaving, roughly right around 15-20k with 9k in taxable dividends, 24-29k total.
With the rentals:
- ~9k in expenses (property taxes, maint, insurance) attached to them as a total. My personal expenses in my original post don't include this amount at all - I keep it separate and concern myself with the real Net income after all expenses and deductions are considered. That said, my cash float for maintenance/taxes is very low so I do worry and recognize that I need to raise rents at the start of 2018.
- After tax ROI on 2 of my properties are 6% and 6.2%, which is almost wiped out by depreciation (thanks to the incredibly awesome tax code we have).
- The 3rd property, that needs to be renovated and sold, has a high HOA fee associated with it leading to a 3% after tax return. With depreciation, I am taking a tax loss on that one (and my LLC shows a small tax loss overall, yay!). When I renovate and sell, I'll raise the cost basis back up with the renovations to show less in cap gains. It's in an older neighborhood, somewhat shady, near the city center where complete teardown and rebuilds are becoming common. Kind of spec RE, I couldn't let it go by for the price - I mitigate some risk by having an amazing tenant / handyman with a 24-36 month timeline that desperately needed a financial break on rent. Renovated units near it rent for 40-50% more than mine currently.

My partner & College:
- His daughter is in college, for another couple years. He is supporting her through college, I respect that and that's his choice. She's extremely bright and picked up scholarships for this year and for next.
- I believe he's pretty burned out on institutional education, however, I'd love to see him get some education on power tools at home depot so I'm not concerned about him maiming himself...but that's another story for another forum.
- Job-wise / Relationship conflict: He does love his job, but never gave a thought to retirement until I entered the picture and I'm pretty sure he thinks his situation is near hopeless.
Our only conflict is financially-related: We do sometimes have heated discussions over numbers; I'm always searching for investments, and if there are things that seem logical to me, with an expected ROI above what I make now, with the same or lower risk...then I do them and find a way to pay for them as I go. This leads to situations where I will buy things or make investments without having a cash cushion solidly in place at decision time. Our "discussions" are because if I think something is a no-brainer...then there is no consultation, I just go, even if it is an investment with joint money.
In summary: I am obsessive with math and research, and may (at times) impulsively make decisions that make or save money (sometimes with money that may be his). 

My awesome big gov't pension:
If I leave before 20, I qualify for nothing. Thanks military. On the bright side I can serve openly, for now, and I will probably have VA claims sometime in the future....maybe VA isn't really a bright side though.
- I am geographically separated from duty station - so I do incur a significant amount of expenses commuting to/from once a month. All of this can be claimed without itemizing on my tax return (Drilling reservist deductions). The deductions can be very generous if done correctly and the part time income listed in my original post already takes that real cost into account.


 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!