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HieronymusB

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Case Study: Housing Dilemma
« on: January 30, 2017, 08:05:10 AM »
Hi all. Long time listener, first time caller. Wasn't sure whether to make this a Case Study, an Ask a Mustachian, or a Real Estate post. Apologies if this is in the wrong place.

Life Situation: 25 year old male, in second year of marriage to my wife (26). We have a baby due on April 14th. Our general situation: No giant headaches (debt free), but always thought money existed to be spent. In May I discovered ERE and MMM and got hooked. I read every single article on MMM over the course of a few weeks. Successfully evangelized the DW--the environmental angle really clicked for her. We instantly started cutting expenses. We went from about 0% savings rate to about a 38% savings rate over the next month--one of the best feelings we've ever had. We have plateaued a little bit and are looking to make the next big jump.

Net Salary/Wages: $53,758 between the two of us both working full time.

Individual amounts of each Pre-tax deductions: None. Knowing very little about investing, tax strategies, etc, we have been building up cash while trying to learn.

Current expenses: Rent + utilities: $1300, Everything else: ~$1700

Assets: ~30,000 in cash savings account, $25,000 in Calvert Ultra Short Income Fund (Made up of bonds mostly--this is my wife's, was set up for her by her parents a long time ago), ~$5,000 in VTSMX (an "impulse buy" I made during my first post-MMM rush).

Liabilities: None

Specific Question(s):

On the income front, I currently make well below my earning potential--I took a job at a university in order to have the option of free graduate school. Luckily, I have found and accepted a job that will pay 65-70k. The only catch is that it is in the DC Area and will not start until around a year from now.

In terms of expenses, we know that despite our cuts that we are still sitting on an exploding volcano of wasteful spending. So we are still trying to whittle down all our categories. However, I've realized that the elephant in the room is housing. If you take our rent and utilities out of the equation, our annual spending is only around $20k per year.

Which leads me to my question--should we get rid of our rent by purchasing property in our hometown of Pittsburgh, even though we will (95% probability) be moving to DC in a year? I have no experience in this department, but here are my back-of-napkin estimates.

So between everything, we have a stash of about $60k. In our area, we could find a multi-unit rental property for 150-160k. We could take our 30k cash savings for a down payment and live in one of the apartments. This would make our housing either neutral or a source of income. This would save us about $15,600 in rent over the next year. Then when we move, we could either rent out all three units or rent out two and keep one for us as a place to stay when we come back to visit (which we would do often as both sets of grandparents are in the area). Alternatively, if I can't convince DW to move into a multi-unit rental with a baby around the corner, we could buy a single-family house and then rent it out when we move. My thinking is that then we would end up in DC with a stash still intact, with enough in it to either form the basis of our ER savings, or to be on hand for another down payment if we decide to look at property in the NOVA area.

Would any of the following be downsides? 1. All of our stash would be in real estate--risky business? 2. We would have a rental property and be a 5 hour drive away from said property. (I will be planning to hire a property management company, there is a very well regarded one in our area) 3. Is the idea of possibly having two mortgages at once insanity?

If there are any other resources you recommend as I think through this problem, I would really appreciate it. I'm in at the deep end over here--thanks in advance for any responses, and apologies in advance for lack of clarity etc!

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Re: Case Study: Housing Dilemma
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2017, 08:21:55 AM »
Rent vs buy! The age old question. You will have to run your own numbers, but my gut reaction is "do not buy". You have an upcoming move and a baby on the way- juggling buying and renting from afar at the same time as having a baby and starting a new job seems a bit hazardous.

That all being said- I don't have rentals. A very smart person who does, though: http://affordanything.com/category/real-estate/
And specifically an article I like about the 'renting is throwing money away' concept: http://affordanything.com/2015/11/24/is-renting-better-than-buying-should-i-rent-or-buy/

Next, re: the assets. We need to get you learned up on investing! After market VTSMX (ie, not in an IRA or a 401k or 403b, etc) is totally silly at your income level. We have taxes to offset, man! So I present to you, the ever helpful "stock series": http://jlcollinsnh.com/stock-series/ Recommended along with this is his book, "The Simple Path to Wealth".

Also! The investing order frequently bandied about is below. Note that the 10yr bond yield is currently 2.48%, making steps 2 and 7 7.48% and 5.48%, respectively.
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WHAT
0. Establish an emergency fund to your satisfaction
1. Contribute to 401k up to any company match
2. Pay off any debts with interest rates ~5% or more above the 10-year Treasury note yield.
3. Max HSA
4. Max Roth or Traditional IRA based on income level
5. Max 401k (if 401k fees are lower than available in an IRA, swap #4 and #5)
6. Fund mega backdoor Roth if applicable
7. Pay off any debts with interest rates ~3% or more above the 10-year Treasury note yield.
8. Invest in a taxable account with any extra.

WHY
0. Give yourself at least enough buffer to avoid worries about bouncing checks
1. Company match rates are likely the highest percent return you can get on your money
2. When the guaranteed return is this high, take it.
3. HSA funds are totally tax free when used for medical expenses, making the HSA better than either traditional or Roth IRAs.
4. Rule of thumb: trad if current marginal rate is 25% or higher; Roth if 10% or lower; flip a coin in between
5. See #4 for choice of traditional or Roth for 401k
6. Applicability depends on the rules for the specific 401k
7. Again, take the risk-free return if high enough
8. Because earnings, even if taxed, are beneficial

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Re: Case Study: Housing Dilemma
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2017, 10:38:12 AM »
A few random thoughts:

I would not buy a property that I only planned to live in for a year.  With transaction costs not to mention the possibility that real estate could deflate in the meantime it's not worth the risk.

I think you need to hold your cash at least until you baby is a few months old.  Things can happen that would make you very thankful for a cash stash to pay unexpected medical bills or allow more time off work.  I won't get any more detailed that since I'm sure you're aware of all the horror stories.

Having rental property 5 hours away can be problematic.  In my area property managers charge 10% of rent plus random other fees they manage to tack on.   Plus you won't be able to do any of your own maintenance because 1/distance 2/management firm may not allow DIY.