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Blue22floyd

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Here is my situation: Female,38, Married with husband,44, and one 6-year-old son in the Midwestern U.S. The cost of living in our area is about 85% of the national average.

My dilemma is a tale of two goals. The first goal is fulfilling my life purpose. This is where I have saved enough money to be able to do the work I intended to do all along without impacting anyone's quality of life. I am scheduled to reach this goal in one year (8/2018) when my son turns eight years old. The second goal is complete FI which I am scheduled to reach in five years (8/2022) when my son turns 12 years old.

The first goal is based on having enough savings to cover monthly expense of up to $2,500, monthly contributions to a college fund of $187 and future replacement of my car and the purchase of one for my son ($28,620), while working for as little as $35,000 per year at a 65% take-home rate (after taxes, insurance, and retirement) until I turn 55 and qualify for pension payments.

The second goal is based on a monthly budget of $2,500 requiring savings of $750,000. If I jump for that first goal, which I really want to do, I may never hit the second goal. Do I start planning to fulfill my life purpose in one year, or do I stop being a wussy pants and tough it out for five years for true freedom?

Here are the specifics:
Gross Salary: $78,000 (whether I work 8-4:30pm or until 11pm with regular night meetings and some Saturdays)
-$5,300 pension contribution (+$5,300 match)
-$2,298 health & dental insurance
-18,142 taxes
$52,260 take-home pay or $4,355/month

Expenses: $2, 052/month
-$771 Joint Expenses (includes mortgage ($1,134), electricity/gas ($130), water ($67), Netflix/Hulu ($19), internet ($50), & home investments /maintenance ($142) = $1,542. We each contribute half plus I pay for our family’s health & dental insurance thru work.)
-$60 Christmas Gifts
-$60 Gifts/donations
-$110 Daycare set aside for summer, Spring Break & Winter Break
-$45 Cell phone
-$65 Insurance: Subaru, Harley Davidson motorcycle, & Life Insurance
-$1,111 Fixed expenses

-$200 Groceries
-$51 Transportation (gas/car maintenance)
-$100 Social/Entertainment
-$50 Medical/Personal (shampoo/feminine products!)
-$40 Misc (usually toner cartridges for my printer!)
-$400 After school care, school lunch, school fees and supplies (yes, it’s a public school)
-$100 All other kid expense including medical, classes, allowance, toys, clothes
$941 Variable expenses

Monthly Savings (from take-home pay):
-$187 College Fund
-$286 Roth IRA
-$1,489 Taxable Vanguard investments (Domestic, Global, REIT, High-Yield Dividend)
$1,962

Wait a minute…that doesn’t add up, you say? That’s right. We get paid every two weeks, so I only budget for two paychecks per month. Those extra two go straight into a vacation fund – about $4,092 per year or $341/month.

-If I work full-time to 55, my pension will be $2,851/month. If I never work again, it will be $972/month at 55 or $1,415 at 65. (Yes, it’s a fully-funded pension.)
-My SSI estimate four years ago (because they don’t send statements anymore) was $2,184/month if I work to 67 or $1,517/month if I work to 62.
 
Assets:
$19,799 Money Market/Cash equivalents
$67,297 Roth IRA
$88,998 Vanguard Taxable
$156,365 Pension account (vested)
$332,439

$35,000 College savings account (6-year-old).  (Yes. I really love him, and I don’t want him to be hungry or tired or working every minute of his life.)

2011 Subaru
2001 Harley Davidson motorcycle
House assessed at $180,000
 
So, you’re probably asking yourself “why are you planning for a $2,500/month budget when your actual budget is $2,052?) It’s because I want vacation money (currently $341/month) and I would like a little more wiggle room (to prevent life suck).

I drag myself to work every day because of these goals in front of me, not because I enjoy what I’m doing. I’m very good at my job, but it’s not what I intended to do with my life and it’s not what I would choose to do if I were FI. If I’m being honest, my job negatively impacts my health, my relationships, and my overall joy. I can tough it out for five more years to become FI – when my son is 12 and probably won’t need me anymore – or I can make a career change in one year and start doing what I’m actually passionate about. Jobs in this area actually pay from $35,000 to more than I make now, but I wanted to cover myself on the low-end. Part of me says, “You never give up before reaching your goals. Stick it out!” I started seriously working on my money mustache in 2014. What would you do?

 Thank you in advance! 

Because you asked...My husband was married with children and divorced before we ever met. He still has minor children. So, we have a prenup, we agree on joint expenses each year, and we don't fight about money ever. Yes, we are planning a joint future, and we're definitely on the same page when it comes to debt aversion, doing everything ourselves, working hard, and leading simple lives.

My husband makes roughly $55,000/year, but due to child support obligations, taxes, retirement, and insurance deductions, he only takes home 52% of his pay - $28,600. He has zero debt other than our shared mortgage. He also has a 2009 Jeep and a 2002 Harley Davidson motorcycle. WHAT?! Yes, we have four motorized vehicles. But, but..we also have several bicycles, a pair of kayaks, and a canoe! (gasp). His 401k was about $150k last time we ran joint numbers.

One other thing on working in my passion - I was already working in the field up until shortly after our child was born.  I loved it. I still love and miss it today. I have all of the education for the work. I've just been absent for an extended period of time. Plus, we're no longer located in the mecca of jobs in the field. The opportunities are fewer and further between here, and they don't pay as much. But that doesn't mean I love the work any less!! (sigh)
« Last Edit: July 30, 2017, 07:34:21 PM by Blue22floyd »

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Re: Case Study: Fulfill my life purpose or tough it out for FI?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2017, 11:14:35 PM »
Blue22floyd, welcome to the forum.

The post does raise the question: are you and your husband planning a joint future (in which case it might make more sense for his income, expenses, assets, etc., to go into the mix) or will you soon be filing single or HOH?

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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2017, 12:10:19 AM »
So much of this is just personal preference and tolerance. 

Is there some hybrid option?  Work 2 years instead of only 1 more at the current job, in order to pad the accounts a bit more?    Would that new job leave you time and energy for a side hustle, and if so, do you have any skills or other assets that would help create one? Or could you work part time or doing consulting in your current field to supplement the income from the "passion" job?

 You say that there are jobs for well more than $35k doing the "purpose" thing.  Why not start looking now so that if you find one with a great salary, you can jump and have both things?  If you find one that pays, say $50k, it is less than you make now, but probably enough that your numbers will look better over time than they would with only 1 more year at your current salary and then $35k/yr, which you've projected.   

Are there any expenses that would or could be reduced if you downsize your job?  Would you spend less on after school care, for example?  Would you have more time to pack lunches, cutting that expense?  Likely increase in transportation?

Are both the vehicles negotiable?  You could definitely sell them and bank some cash, and probably cute insurance a bit as well.

Also, I am curious about your husband.  Where does his income come in to play?  How does he feel about you taking this drastic step? 

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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2017, 03:19:21 AM »
If you want to share what the life purpose is, we can offer some more tailored suggestions.

Can you keep current job, and do some night courses on the life purpose job, to enable a more sideways move than starting at the bottom?

There was an article somewhere very recently, abotu someone whose passion was baking....until she started working as a baker  - here we go: http://www.financialsamurai.com/how-much-are-you-willing-to-sacrifice-to-change-your-career/

I suppose the question is how sure are you it's your passion, and that doing it for money won't ruin your passion?

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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2017, 10:16:44 AM »
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell us what this life's purpose is, I was expecting you to share all at the end, come on spill the beans!

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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2017, 11:27:03 AM »
Can you start doing the "life"s purpose" work as side hustle?  To at least test the waters to be sure it is what you really want, be sure you can make at least the 35K........?

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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2017, 01:47:31 PM »
I am going to say get to FI in 5 years then do your life purpose work.

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2017, 02:46:37 PM »
Here's what my Dh and I are doing. We are saving up ~1/2 or a bit more of our needed stash in investments. Then, the Rule of 70 states that generally, it will take ~10 years for our investments to double. As long as we don't touch our stash until it hits our FIRE number by working to at least cover our living expenses, we should still have much more freedom to pursue our interests during that decade.

Of course, that plan depends on the decade -- if we enter a decade of slow or negative growth, that obviously impacts things a bit. But our plan is simply work to just cover living expenses until our investments grow to where they need to be, whether thats in 10 or 20 years. Between the two of us, it would be relatively easy to come up with $35k (inflation adjusted of course) every year. Or if things got really desperate, even earning just $20-25k with side hustles and pare things down to the bone.

So, you don't share what your plans are re: income after you pursue your life purpose. Will you be able to earn enough cover your living expenses until your assets grow to the required FIRE number? If yes, then I think you could pull this off. If you don't have any plans for earning any sort of supplemental income, I think you're going to have a hard time. Half of your assets are tied in your pension which you can't access for like 15 years, correct?

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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2017, 07:59:02 PM »
All - Thank you for your great responses-to-date! "Davids" wins so far! I've been working so hard at FI with spreadsheets and graphs and reading Mr. Money Mustache posts daily, etc., I just can't see myself giving up before I've crossed the finish line. At that point, everything I earn from working in my area of passion will just be going to paying off the mortgage and then to setting up a foundation or otherwise investing in my beloved area. It will be money I don't really need.

I do like the idea of looking for passion jobs now in case something shows up that is similar to what I earn now. You never know...

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2017, 11:39:27 AM »
I can't follow your math on how you reach FI in 5 years goal of $750k in taxable when you are only contributing $22.2k annually. In 5 years that is only $111k + $89k existing funds = $200k total. Is there something missing?

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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2017, 06:13:21 AM »
I used WAY too many words in my original post! I have about $340k saved for retirement now. I actually save about $32k/year with my contributions through work and outside of work. I have a very handy spreadsheet that tracks progress monthly and has me on track to hit $758K in July, 2022. (It's based on returns of 0.9%-1.5% on cash equivalents and 10% on other investments.) Yes, 10% is a high assumption these days!! But, the printed the charts I keep handy (no, not on the fridge) remind me to auto-correct whenever I fall below the goal line. I put all of my extra money in investments (bonuses, freelance revenues, craigslist/Facebook sales, rebates, etc.) and that has helped keep me on track also. Thanks for challenging me!!

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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2017, 07:33:26 AM »
You said you are a "wuss" if you change jobs before meeting your self-imposed financial goals to go fulfill your life's purpose.

I see things differently. You are a wuss if you don't fulfill your life's purpose. Seriously. Think about it - long and hard.

One thing I've learned by following my life's purpose is the rewards for doing so, if you have correctly identified your purpose, are far greater than you imagine while sitting on the sidelines. Go for it.


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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2017, 11:52:47 PM »
You said you are a "wuss" if you change jobs before meeting your self-imposed financial goals to go fulfill your life's purpose.

I see things differently. You are a wuss if you don't fulfill your life's purpose. Seriously. Think about it - long and hard.

One thing I've learned by following my life's purpose is the rewards for doing so, if you have correctly identified your purpose, are far greater than you imagine while sitting on the sidelines. Go for it.

I write about life purposeful and finances specifically for someone like yourself - to encourage you to find ways to get there. 

I agree with the above, and I'll add: you're missing half of the key calculations here, which I would ask you to do: what would you save in time with the purpose job?  In money (from your "wind-down" expenses, coping mechanisms, or wardrobe)?  In health?  And how much is the health cost worth?  What would you miss in your new career in terms of advancement (in pay, skills, or promotion)?

Plus, how could you move up in your purpose job/field? 

You're missing the cost of inaction. The opportunity cost. You've implied that it is enormous.  (Your Money or Your Life is a great reference on this.)  And you haven't even done the full math yet, I'm guessing.

Consider: what could you do to make spare money in those Saturday's and 11pm evening if they were your own time once again?  Consulting? A side gig?  Wouldn't you *much* rather have *that* combo??!

List every single thing you're missing now by not having the purpose job. Every. Thing. Every benefit, every savings, every joy you would get. Put it on paper. Every opportunity.

You have much more math to do.  But my bias: jump over to the purpose.

Finally, another idea: what other jobs fit your life's purpose? A job is merely an expression, but the purpose may be expressed many, many ways. Maybe there's another job that still allows you to be who you are but pays a little more. Or something more in between if you prefer.

I've left six-figure jobs (yes, jobs) for purpose. And have gone through periods just scraping by. But I've never regretted it. The money you can usually get creative with, so long as it's enough for basics. And the rest of life leaves you with so much more energy that the plan becomes easier and easier.

You are way ahead because you already know your purpose and your next gig, and that you love it. So there's so little risk there for you. That's where so many of us have trouble: we're trying to guess.

See the Tim Ferriss podcast about fearspotting. Do that re the purpose job. Consider the cost of NOT taking it.  Life is way more important some spare money once you cover the basics. (But again, that's my bias here.).

I envy your position in many ways...it's a great place to be, and I am eager to see your answers to those questions.

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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2017, 07:17:03 AM »
quick point:
Social security.  Looks like you might be conflating "work until 67" with "wait until 67" to take benefits.  You can calculate this exactly on the SS website.  I have calculated my own and discovered that working that 5 years makes very little difference, while waiting to claim SS make a bigger difference.
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2017, 12:42:09 PM »
If you know your life's purpose, why would you not follow it?  How lucky are you to know what you are here on the Earth for!

Accomplish the thing you are meant to do.

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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2017, 01:05:57 PM »
Go for the purpose job.  Get enough life insurance that, in concert with your existing assets, your son's growing up will be funded without strain on your spouse. 

Because if you love this job, either you'll do it long enough to make your FI goals, or by some freak event you'll die first.  If you do the purpose job, your life will be at its highest peak.  If your life is cut short, you won't have time to make up for missing that experience.  If you do live a normal span, you'll reach your goals by doing what you love and your son will know you as an exemplar of fulfillment. 

I've seen people die in their 30s and 40s.  I'm being very literal here.  Go forth and fulfill your purpose.

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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2017, 03:38:22 PM »
Yep - workmate's cousin died of a heart attack at age 38 yesterday.

If you have the means to go fulfil your life purpose just go ahead and do it.

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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2017, 07:02:24 PM »
Oh my goodness do your life's purpose.

This is a total-no brainer if you really mean the thread title as written.

So you can FI in order to engage more fully with your life's purpose or... you can just fully engage with your life's purpose? And you have plenty of money to make it safe to pursue right now right now?

FI is a tool; nothing more. FIRE is the complete tool set. As a tool set, it is intended to give you options to pursue life's purpose as you see fit. Delaying that purpose for FIRE, if FIRE is not actually necessary (you'll do it either way), doesn't make sense to me at all.

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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2017, 01:20:42 PM »
I am going to say get to FI in 5 years then do your life purpose work.

Agreed.  While we can't decide for you based on a couple paragraphs skip the life purpose work for now.  I say this not because I don't value doing work you love, but because we're (society in general) so insanely bad at determining what our "life purpose" actually is and then doing it in a way that actually makes us happy.  I suggested this just in my last post, but here goes again.  Read "So Good They Can't Ignore You" by Cal Newport.  Based on your post I suspect this will present a completely new perspective for you.  I have found the book to be spot on when evaluating how to use work to bring happiness.

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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2018, 11:05:44 PM »
I intentionally took a break from this thread last summer because I wasn't ready to make any difficult decisions. I read "Your Money or Your Life" and "The 4-Hour Work Week" years ago. I watched the Tim Ferris TED Talk recommended above. I read the reviews on the book suggested immediately above.  I can tell you that I am highly skilled in my "job", that I feel well compensated for doing it given market rates, and that most people expect that I will keep moving up the chain. I'm complimented on my performance regularly. I get bonuses and promotions. I'm a producing machine day in and day out and it's that focusing on producing hour by hour that gets me through each day! I see all of what I do as a means to financial independence to be able to fulfill my life purpose. It's not to quit working. It's not to buy toys or go on vacations. And, as you've told me, how silly is it for me to continue to torture myself holding out for FI when I already have the financial means to do what I love?

Yet, for some reason, I still plan to tough it out to July, 2022. I'm doing this even though I realize that there is a very real risk that, on reaching FI, I may choose to never do anything again. (Can you sense my unhappiness here?) So, this is where I'll share (and remind myself) that my 7-year-old son has repeatedly told me that "he never wants to have a job when he grows up" and that "plenty of adults don't have jobs". Just last week he built a character surrounded by blocks (a desk) in a building in Minecraft and described to me that "he was miserable and didn't want to be working there day and night".  This isn't the kind of impact I wanted to have on my son at all! Because I left fulfilling my life purpose shortly after he was born, he's never actually seen me joyfully pursuing my career. I hope I remember that when August comes around, and I'm still using all of my scholarships and degrees and life energy to do work I never intended to do.

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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2018, 06:31:57 AM »
What are you doing this for? You are modeling terrible behavior for your son. Is this really what you want to teach him?

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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2018, 07:59:52 AM »
Blue,

You know you're unhappy with what you are doing, and know that it is affecting your relationships, and it sounds like it is having a major negative impact on your child.  I don't know that you appreciate how much it is impacting your son.  If he is saying that stuff at 7, imagine how depressed and scared he is going to be once he had to enter the workforce.  Kids remember.  Even if you escape your dreadful job when he is 12, he is always going to remember how miserable you were for so long.  If he is saying those things out loud, what is your husband thinking to himself and not saying?

What does August have to do with anything?  You should consider making the move now. 

Also, how is your son going to feel when he finds out that before he came along you were doing work that you loved, then once you had him you were "forced" to take a job you hated so you could support him.  He is already developing an unhealthy attitude towards work, and then is going to have guilt thrown in on top of it.

If you share what your life fulfilling work is, some people here might know of ways to make more money doing that.  Sometimes there are ways to still be involved with the fulfilling work, but in a way that rewards financially as well.

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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2018, 03:23:46 PM »
OMG quit. You are so miserable at work that it is affecting your child. Leave now and find ways to adjust your expenses if necessary, or tough it out until August, then never look back. FI is about having enough to live your dream life. You know what your dream life is and can afford it. Go be happy and teach your child that there is fulfilling work out there for everyone.

If you do stay till August stop lamenting in front of the kiddo and start telling your family 2-3 good things that happened while at work everyday so your child is not so stressed out and worried about you. It might even make you feel better too.

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2018, 12:49:05 PM »
If your son at age 7 is saying these things playing with blocks, you have been given a wake-up call.  That only happens when the family has enough connection to know love, but you should listen.

Sometime between 9 and 12, his role models will shift elsewhere.  If you are capable of doing work you love and you want him to be able to do so too, he needs to see you do work you love.  Childhood is ending soon for him.  Listen to "Cat's in the Cradle" and email your resignation. 

Not meaning to be offensive here.  Just stating what occurs to me based on your own description. 
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2018, 07:59:50 PM »
I remember reading an interview with a programmer who said he quit programming to pursue music precisely because he wanted to model to his son that living the life you want is more important than living a job for money. Apparently it's still working for him.

http://wiki.jonathancoulton.com/Jonathan_Coulton