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Case Study: Empty Nesters - 3 years to go?
« on: February 13, 2017, 11:17:50 AM »
Life Situation: Married FJ, no dependents! (we raised a combined ELEVEN) In Colorado, we are 59 and 56 years old. I am a stay at home mom/wife.
We currently live within 8 miles of husbands work, we moved here from 1 hour NORTH on 9/15 after our last child moved out, we located there 11 years ago from western Colorado,  as it was between Denver Tech Center and Cheyenne where a majority of husband's work was, but then all work moved to DTC. By then we had kids in high school and didn't want to leave our smaller community for Denver. We mistakenly relocated once in Loveland, and then were victims of the horrific 2013 flood, thankfully we were able to sell that home two years later, but took a big financial hit for all that combined trouble ($100K or so) but plan to leave the city and move to western Colorado (where we met) as soon as he can retire.

Two options at present. Retire at the end of this year - with guaranteed pension, but no health care, (then husband would need a job of some sort that provided health care?) or wait two more years, to build up our cash reserves and for provided health care that will probably cost us $300 per month for our current plan which is very generous. Basically a $15 co-pay for med and incredible dental and vision too. That is what we are planning at this point unless the company changes the retirement health care benefit option before then, but we don't see that coming.. yet.

Gross Salary/Wages: 10,200

Individual amounts of each Pre-tax deductions Health Ins $100, 401K; $1130, (employer match $390/month)

Adjusted Gross Income: $8970

Taxes: Fed:$1000, State: $320, FICA $513

Current Monthly expenses:
Mortgage - Principle: $240, Interest: $540, Property Tax $165 ,Home Insurance,$165 . Monthly combined payment $1112.
HOA   $250 (when looking at houses near work in 9/15 - this was the best deal for the price even with this fee, plusses are we have access to a pool, park, pond, in a quiet,gated community, trash/recycling included and incredible resale value as it's in aa coveted, albeit 30-year-old neighborhood)
NetFlix   $10
Car Insurance   $113
Car Maintenance, Registration, etc.   $135
Charitable contributions   $815
Christmas/Holidays   $50
Clothing/Shoes   $50
Computer (paper/software/etc.)   $20    
Dentist - $50
Dining (Lunch/Dinner/Etc.)   $50
Gifts (not charitable contributions)   $25
Electricity   $130
Emergency Fund    $1,000
Entertainment   $50
Fuel/$100
Gas/ heating   $100
Groceries   $500
Hair Care   $25
Household; Maintenance   $100
Internet/Off site backup/storage   $95
Life Insurance   $50
Medical (Doctor, Hospital, etc.)   $50
Medicine (OTC + Prescription)   $50
Miscellaneous   $200 or so - but we've cut it to nearly zero.
Parking/Tolls   $30
Pets   $150
Phone (cell)   $80
Recycling/Trash    Included in HOA
Subscriptions (paper/magazines/etc.)   $10
Travel/Vacation   $200
Umbrella Insurance   $10
Water/Sewer   $50
Work/Professional fees   $200
Non-mortgage total   $4970

Expected ER expenses: We are planning on living on around $45K a year or less.

Assets: Home: $492,000, (Redfin estimate. Zillow is off the charts at $567K, we paid $463K) Vehicle: $9000, Gold: $35000, (lost $15K in value since we bought it - ugh) Guaranteed Pension: $360,000. 401K: $193000, Two Roth IRA's total: $15,800. Cash on hand is low - we paid off our credit card in the last two months, about $3000,and have been too spendy. We have recently begun vigorously cutting expenses and increasing our savings.

Liabilities: Original (bridge, short term, while other house sold/closed) Loan amount on 9/15:  $370,400, Current loan balance: $152,200, Rate 4.25%. We DO NOT plan on having a mortgage post retirement, but will buy with the cash we get out of our home which should be $350,000, +/-. We actually plan to spend LESS than that on our next home.

No other liabilities/debt.

Specific Question(s): Our thoughts are to retire in 3 years to get the health care benefit, roll the pension into the 401K and only take out the interest earned - say $30K a year - with us doing something part time to earn another $25-$30K to supplement for a very comfortable life, waiting to take Social security as long as possible.

Do you see any major holes? What are we missing besides really reining in our expenses RIGHT NOW?

We are re-evaluating our current spending and can probably add more to build up our emergency fund, while also putting away money for a couple of vacation trips for the year. Most of our recreation is very cheap - hiking, biking, walking.

My personal challenge is to not let living in an urban environment be depressing.

My husbands personal challenge is to keep the stress level worth the job for a couple of more years.

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Re: Case Study: Empty Nesters - 3 years to go?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2017, 12:20:07 PM »
Mortgage - Principle: $240, Interest: $540
Non-mortgage total   $4970

Expected ER expenses: We are planning on living on around $45K a year or less.

Specific Question(s): Our thoughts are to retire in 3 years to get the health care benefit, roll the pension into the 401K and only take out the interest earned - say $30K a year - with us doing something part time to earn another $25-$30K to supplement for a very comfortable life, waiting to take Social security as long as possible.

Do you see any major holes? What are we missing besides really reining in our expenses RIGHT NOW?
First, good for you putting this together!

Your last question, however, is reminiscent of the old joke "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?" ;)

What does the shortcut graph in the case study spreadsheet, and/or estimates you have done in www.i-orp.com, cfiresim.com, etc. say about your retirement readiness?

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Re: Case Study: Empty Nesters - 3 years to go?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2017, 12:37:35 PM »
Aw Shoot, @mdm I wasn't trying to do that.


The case study spreadsheet says 9 years.. but I don't see a way to add the guaranteed pension or the roth IRA's that we have or that we won't need a mortgage or the income level we now have. But I admit - the sheet is pretty overwhelming - I need a class to understand it all.

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Re: Case Study: Empty Nesters - 3 years to go?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2017, 12:49:28 PM »
I don't see a way to add the guaranteed pension Cell B144
or the roth IRA's that we have Cell B154
or that we won't need a mortgage Somewhat handled if you fill in E54:G54 and I54 correctly.  You could enter those cells "incorrectly" in such a way to show no P&I needed after 3 years.
or the income level we now have. Cells B2 and B3
Yes, it's much easier to understand having "grown up with it."  See if the items above help.  If you'd like more, just ask.

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Re: Case Study: Empty Nesters - 3 years to go?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2017, 01:00:47 PM »
The pension is lump sum - not sure how to add that in B144 as it references / year.
Got the Roth IRA's right.
Gonna have to study and head scratch to "fix" E54:G54/I54 to show no mortgage owed.
If I change B2 to projected retirement income - won't that mess up current calculations?

Thanks for your help and input.

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Re: Case Study: Empty Nesters - 3 years to go?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2017, 01:25:41 PM »
The pension is lump sum - not sure how to add that in B144 as it references / year. Ok, add (lump sum)/((1 + B147)^3) to whatever you have in B153.  That assumes you get the lump sum in 3 years.

Gonna have to study and head scratch to "fix" E54:G54/I54 to show no mortgage owed. If you are going to maintain current payments for 3 years, then trade the existing house for another, fully paid one, put in a 3 year mortgage with principal and interest rate that gives you you current monthly P&I.

If I change B2 to projected retirement income - won't that mess up current calculations? Not sure what is meant by "projected retirement income."  If that is part-time work, add it to B144.

Of course, at some point you'll be beyond what the simplified approach can handle, and should use the time-dependent calculators noted previously.  Good luck!

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Re: Case Study: Empty Nesters - 3 years to go?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2017, 01:44:38 PM »
All right - thanks tons!