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sounders2019

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Not sure if we have lost motivation or are on auto-pilot now--thank you for any advice you may have! Longtime lurker posting for the first time. :)

Life Situation: 31, married filing jointly, would like to have a kid soon.  We live in Seattle—I’m a social worker and my husband works in tech. A few big changes within the last year: We bought our first home in March and my husband’s income doubled in September when he started a new job.

We are not super interested in early retirement as we both love our careers (but who knows, we may change our minds!) but have come to really value the FI community for it’s values—what is worth spending money on and what isn’t? It’s different for each person and we are beginning to hone in on what things truly spark joy. For example, I used to spend thousands of dollars each year on clothing. This has almost been eliminated from our budget, but we do have season tickets to the Sounders because we love going to every game. The downside is that we don’t have clearly defined goals. We were on a roll when we were saving up for a home down payment but now it kind of feels like we are saving just to be saving. Not as exciting and harder to stick to…

Gross Salary/Wages
: Me $64k
Husband $105k (likely $15-20k annual bonus but haven’t seen it and we do not factor it in to our plans)

Pre-tax deductions:  We both maxed out our 401ks and IRAs last year (My employer matches 4% and husband’s matches 50%). Both of our employers pay all insurance premiums and husbands puts $2,000/year in an HSA to cover any out of pocket health expenses. We have not contributed any extra funds to husband’s HSA, which is something we have considered.

Expenses:

Mortgage- P&I, taxes, & home insurance (4.25%): $2475
Entertainment (non dining): $200 (We have Sounders tickets, go to a few concerts and musicals each year)
Personal Care: $50
Groceries: $400
Dining Out: $250
Lunches Out, Breweries: $100
Coffee: $20
Misc/Shopping: $50
Charity: $500 (We feel strongly about this)
Internet: $45
Cell phone: $125
Utilities: $100
Gas: $125
Auto Insurance: $65
Travel: $40 (This only includes weekend trips, we do 1 international trip about every other year and we save money up in a separate fund to cover those expenses)
Gifts: $30
Gym/Fitness: $75
Prescriptions: $50

TOTAL EXPENSES: $4700

Assets
Checking/Savings: $15,000
Taxable Brokerage: $53,000
401ks: $150,000
Trad. IRAs: $16,000
Primary Residence: $530,000
2013 Honda Fit: $6,000

Total: $770,000

Liabilities
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Mortgage: $408,000 at a rate of 4.25%

Total: $408,000
 
Savings Plan: We don’t have a very strategic plan at this point—I feel like we’re just trying to get our numbers up. My inclination is to try and invest as much as possible in our index funds (after maxing 401k and IRAs).

Specific Question(s)

1. We have the option to purchase my husband’s employer’s stock (a large tech company) at a discounted rate. I love index funds and the idea of buying a single stock scares me, but at a discounted rate is it a good idea? I believe it is 10% off.

2. Our 401ks and IRAs are currently both Target Retirement Funds. 401ks are through Fidelity and IRAs are with Vanguard. Should we start investing IRA funds in something more aggressive?

3. I really hate our mortgage cost and still feel bad about our home purchase in general. I am glad to not have to worry about rent costs going up but at this point we are still paying well above what we were paying for rent (We were paying $1500 and are now paying $2500 total housing cost.) We bought at the top of the market and our house hasn’t really appreciated at all, bought for $527,000 and Zillow now says $530,000. Not sure what my question is. ☺ Our house is way too small (in my opinion) to take on renters--850 square feet.

Like other HCOL posters have shared, it’s hard to know how to feel when everything is so expensive. Oh, Seattle.

4. Any thoughts on putting money in my husband’s HSA?

5. It is possible that we will move to an extremely LCOL area in the next 5-10 years (family). Our incomes would likely decrease as well, though in the best scenario husband would keep his Seattle job and salary. We often have discussions centered around feeling like we are not enjoying everything the city has to offer (entertainment, restaurants, weekend trips) and that if we do move we will have more money than we know what to do with. There are no easy answers here…

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Re: Case Study: Bought a house, not sure where to go from here!
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2019, 02:09:30 PM »
sounders2019, welcome to the forum.

For questions 1 & 4, see the Investment Order post.

For #2, your asset allocation is a personal choice.  If you are invested in a 2060, 2065, etc., fund the allocation in that fund may be 90/10 so you can't get much more aggressive than that. ;)  Of course, if it is a 2020 fund you have much room to be more aggressive.

Didn't see questions for 3 & 5.  In any case, good luck!

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Re: Case Study: Bought a house, not sure where to go from here!
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2019, 02:10:16 PM »
RE: your specific questions - I would recommend maxing out your HSA - that's an additional $5k of tax deductibility on top of the $2k you say you're already socking away for it. We have chosen to invest ours in Fidelity's version of the total stock market index fund and pay our very infrequent medical expenses in cash (while keeping the receipts for planned reimbursement in case SHTF later on).

There are many people on the forum who will be able to surgically assess which expenses to cut and why so I'll leave that to them. But I always like to point out that Ting is great for getting cellphone expenses down (or other services like Republic Wireless that people mention here often. I just have experience with Ting taking us from ~$150 to $55 (which is covered by my husband's employer so nothing out of pocket for us).

Last and above all, I think it is helpful to sit down with your partner to figure out what your goal(s) are whether they're simply short term or you're looking into long term ones. Ensuring you're both on the same page about what's on the horizon will help you choose the right strategy and tactics to pursue next steps. If a kiddo is the next thing on the radar, then I would focus on what you need to do to feel prepared for the change in lifestyle (reducing expenses, accruing an e-fund that accounts for the planned change in expenses for things like daycare if that's part of your plan, etc.)

sounders2019

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Re: Case Study: Bought a house, not sure where to go from here!
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2019, 02:34:18 PM »
Thank you so much for the advice! You hit the nail on the head--we don't currently have defined goals so it is hard to know what is "enough" in terms of savings.

Childcare costs are no joke and something we should definitely be talking about now.

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Re: Case Study: Bought a house, not sure where to go from here!
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2019, 04:11:13 PM »
My wife and I are similar in that we don't have clearly defined goals for our money too.

We basically figure though that in almost all cases, being frugal now results in more flexibility later.

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Re: Case Study: Bought a house, not sure where to go from here!
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2019, 08:54:00 PM »
Seem like You are on good track. Congrats on the asset accumulation. I would also max HSA. Regarding buying company stock, what are the vestingProvisions? If you sold it next year would you get a full return? I wouldn’t fret on the house appreciation yet. We bought for 222k in 1997, which was in a HCOL area, and it stayed flat for 6 Years. Now worth 900k. Unless a huge
Meltdown in 5-7 years you will likely be glad you bought.