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Can this be the year? Check my sanity...
« on: July 05, 2019, 07:10:33 AM »
Hi All.  First post, but have valued this board for many years.

Contemplating starting the next phase of our life at YE19 and looking for reassurance and guidance.  Just crossed the 30 yr mark at Magacorp and pension plan will be frozen at YE so exit plan timing seems right.  DW (54) and I (57) have been planning and re-planning this transition for 2+ years.  All the calculators look good.  DW is a SAHM and our only child is now through college and on their own. We - like many of you - we have lived a FIRE lifestyle, but it all seems too good to be true.  Finally realizing there is a potential life outside the cubicle and that time>money.  Let me know what we've missed or any suggestions you might have!

The Details:

Estimated Annual Expenses in retirement:  $90K (without taxes)
(Based on detailed Quicken data we've collected for 20+ years!)

Emergency funds: 12-18 months in CDs
Pension: $60K annually - No COLA
Healthcare: Retiree Healthcare through Megacorp
Debt: $0 (house paid off - Estimated Market Value $450K)
Property Taxes: $5.5K
Tax Filing Status: MFJ
Tax Rate: 22% Federal, 0% State
State of Residence: FL
Age: 57 / 54
Desired Asset allocation: 75% stocks / 25% bonds
Desired International allocation: 20% of stocks

Retirement Portfolio:

Total Portfolio: $1.8M (excluding home value)
Looking for an overall 80/20 allocation.  Aggressive because we can leverage our savings/pension to offset SORR.

Megacorp 401K 55%  (40% Bonds - 60% Equities)
Brokerage 31% (100% Growth)
My Roth 7% (100% Growth)
Wife's Roth 6% (100% Growth)
HSA 1% (100% Growth)

Questions:


1.  We plan to spend a few years converting the 401K to Roth from age 58+.  Maybe $130K per year and paying the taxes from our Brokerage account.  Any concerns with this plan?
2.  We're being fairly aggressive in our Vanguard accounts due to our Pension and cash-on-hand.  Trying to make sure we factor in some growth to offset a non-COLA Pension.  Would you do the same?
3. We've been cleaning up the VG fund placement over the years. Last year did some TLH in Brokerage to remove VBLTX and reallocated Bond fund in 401K to account tax placement.  Wary of cleaning up the Brokerage more due to current taxable gains costs, but any suggestions are welcome.
4.  No Long term care insurance, but we've earmarked about $1M in our budget to (hopefully) account for this.
5.  With the $60K annual Pension, I think we are "OK" but looking for any advice on how we can further maximize.  Would like to be able to leave a legacy to our child and donate/travel in our next phase.

Thoughts/suggestions...  How comfortable should we feel?

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Re: Can this be the year? Check my sanity...
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2019, 07:56:01 AM »
1.8 at 2% is 36k that puts you over your needed budget! Sail away its a no brainer

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Re: Can this be the year? Check my sanity...
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2019, 08:28:52 AM »
5.  With the $60K annual Pension, I think we are "OK" but looking for any advice on how we can further maximize.  Would like to be able to leave a legacy to our child and donate/travel in our next phase.

To ask the stupid question:  you don't state it outright, but it sounds like you are taking your pension immediately?  If so, do you then have confirmation that this is the immediate payout?  What would it be if you wait until 65?  And, is it individual or joint lifetime?

It sounds like you are going to be pulling out quite a bit for a Roth rollover.  Given the relatively high taxes you are going to be hit with, it might be more tax efficient to just work through your taxable and traditional 401k now, and let the pension payout grow.  Have you looked at both scenarios?

All that said, this is just optimization.  as @soccerluvof4 said, that's a 2% withdrawal rate.  Even if that part of the income needs to absorb COLA, you have a long way until you worry, and you haven't even mentioned Social Security in your plan!  So, your backups have backups.

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Re: Can this be the year? Check my sanity...
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2019, 10:06:34 AM »
I personally you worked too long!

In any case, you are solid.

Do you know I-Orp? Helps with optimization of your taxes, RMD's, etc...

https://www.i-orp.com

JGS

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Re: Can this be the year? Check my sanity...
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2019, 10:58:44 AM »
Estimated Annual Expenses in retirement:  $90K (without taxes)
(Based on detailed Quicken data we've collected for 20+ years!)

Those expenses are pretty high. With your pension and portfolio, you can absolutely support spending that much. But with a number that high, I feel like there's got to be some cutting that could be done. I'd recommend posting more details about your budget. Even if you can afford to spend that much, if you trim waste from you budget, that gives you more to spend on other things, like travel, your child, etc.

1.  We plan to spend a few years converting the 401K to Roth from age 58+.  Maybe $130K per year and paying the taxes from our Brokerage account.  Any concerns with this plan?
2.  We're being fairly aggressive in our Vanguard accounts due to our Pension and cash-on-hand.  Trying to make sure we factor in some growth to offset a non-COLA Pension.  Would you do the same?
3. We've been cleaning up the VG fund placement over the years. Last year did some TLH in Brokerage to remove VBLTX and reallocated Bond fund in 401K to account tax placement.  Wary of cleaning up the Brokerage more due to current taxable gains costs, but any suggestions are welcome.
4.  No Long term care insurance, but we've earmarked about $1M in our budget to (hopefully) account for this.
5.  With the $60K annual Pension, I think we are "OK" but looking for any advice on how we can further maximize.  Would like to be able to leave a legacy to our child and donate/travel in our next phase.

Thoughts/suggestions...  How comfortable should we feel?

1. It sounds reasonable-- I assume you've modeled your taxes on this, what did that say?
2. Yes.
3. If you do any charitable giving, gifting stocks from your taxable account can be a great strategy.
4. I'd be comfortable with forgoing LTCI in your situation.
5. The main way you can optimize your results would be to take another look at that budget. I feel like a wasteful fool much of the time, and I don't spend 90k a year.



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Re: Can this be the year? Check my sanity...
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2019, 11:37:16 AM »
Spending $90k with a paid off home?  Did you just recently pay it off and forget that you will no longer have a mortgage to pay?

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Re: Can this be the year? Check my sanity...
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2019, 03:30:23 PM »
Thanks everyone for your comments.  Great feedback.  Appreciate your willingness to take a look...

To answer a few of your questions...

- Our budget of $90K includes $10-$15K for for annual travel and some additional discretionary spending and home improvements.  In reality we've done fine on closer to $60K the past ~5 years as we've trimmed back in anticipation of this transition.  That $90K is a max number.  We also live in a pretty HCOL, so there's that...

- We've considered delaying the pension.  That's still an issue that's being considered.  From a tax standpoint it certainly makes sense, but there's a comfort about having a "guaranteed" income after retirement that we just need to get over.  Pension grows about 4% annually if we delay.

- I've also been modeling how much Roth conversion we can handle annually.  Not wanting to go above the 22% bracket.  Have started looking at i-ORP as well and other modeling tools.

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Re: Can this be the year? Check my sanity...
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2019, 05:58:47 PM »
- We've considered delaying the pension.  That's still an issue that's being considered.  From a tax standpoint it certainly makes sense, but there's a comfort about having a "guaranteed" income after retirement that we just need to get over.  Pension grows about 4% annually if we delay.
Similar to the "when should I start taking SS benefits?" issue: if you don't need it immediately, you get "longevity insurance" by delaying.

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- I've also been modeling how much Roth conversion we can handle annually.  Not wanting to go above the 22% bracket.  Have started looking at i-ORP as well and other modeling tools.
Don't fear the 24% bracket, especially if you are paying conversion tax from your taxable account.  Moving money (in effect) from taxable to Roth gives a few percent advantage, due to eliminating the tax drag.  See Maxing out your retirement accounts for more.

I-ORP is very good at a multi-year look.  It's tax and IRMAA calculations can miss a few things, so it would be good to compare a more rigorous tax and IRMAA calculation to what I-ORP does.  If they match, press on.  If they don't match, caveat planner.

 

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