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Can "fire" my boss after 9 mths?
« on: April 21, 2018, 06:02:17 AM »
Hey all!! Here's my burning question: Can I "fire" my boss after 9 months from now? Not feeling too confident...
My goal: to pursue spiritual learning! :)
I am now saving up some e-fund and reno cost for my house so that I can lease it out, and hope to quit in Jan'19 once these are settled.

Life Situation: 44, single, no dependent, stays in Malaysia, commutes to work in Singapore during weekdays
Gross Salary: $102K
Other Ordinary Income: Rental income of $1850 (from apartment), and fixed deposit interest of $1380
Taxes: Personal tax of $4500 and housing tax of $1200
Current monthly expenses: $800
Assets: Apartment (fully paid-up, 2 bedder flat, worth $300K), house (fully paid-up, 4 rooms, worth $400k, not renovated yet, my current residence), and cash savings of about $400k.
Liabilities: Nil

Thanks so much in advance!! :)


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Re: Can "fire" my boss after 9 mths?
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2018, 07:38:30 AM »
You certainly have the assets to consider retirement, but your case study is incomplete.  You mention $800 per month expenses, but I find it hard to believe that includes your real estate.  What are you netting from your apartment?  Do you make money after taxes and utilities?  Do you have some money earmarked for repairs and possible vacancies?  Do you feel you have sufficient insurance in case of disaster?  Finally, with so much of your money in real estate, bow confident are you in the values / rental prices where you are?  If your local market is at a peak, as many are, you may need to think about their average values, or more likely what kind of rent they will generate at a market bottom.  You have a lot of cash, but will you expect to leave that alone for an emergency, or will you expect to use it If the economy is depressed and the houses don't rent?

You also do not break down your monthly expenses at all.  While it seems quite low, will it stay exactly the same when you retire?  Will your goal require some investment in (paid) learning, or travel?  If you rent out your house, what will your living arrangements be?

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Re: Can "fire" my boss after 9 mths?
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2018, 08:08:27 AM »
If you’re asking whether $1380 is greater than $800, and whether your rent will cover your taxes, it is.

You haven’t shared enough to say whether the rentals are profitable and by how much, but it seems overwhelmingly likely that you have plenty of passive income to cover $800/mo plus $5K/yr in taxes.

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Re: Can "fire" my boss after 9 mths?
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2018, 06:36:02 PM »
Appreciate much Reeshau & Sokoloff, you ask really important questions!! :)

My take :
1. You mention $800 per month expenses, but I find it hard to believe that includes your real estate.

Singapore
Food $110 (x22 working days, limits to $5/day )
Transport $396 (expensive due to cross border travel)
Spore apartment maintenance $42
Total $548

Malaysia (relatively lower cost hence the move over and purchase of a local house)
Food & groceries & transport & little ciggies $100 (mostly only venture out during weekends due to work and 3 hour commute daily)
Water $5
Electricity $0 (Subsidized fully as my usage below national average)
Internet $45
Facilities (house clubhouse pool & gym etc) $36
House maintenance $63
Phone (prepaid cards, one sim for each place)  $4
Total $253

Grand total $801

2.  What are you netting from your apartment?  Do you make money after taxes and utilities? 

$1850 excluding maintenance fee of $42 which I am paying.
Otherwise, the tenants are paying for their own water, electricity and internet.
My yearly housing tax for this apartment is about $800, which I usually pay off at one go.
Once I quit my job, my yearly personal tax will be $0 even with this rental income, due to it being below national average income.

3. Do you have some money earmarked for repairs and possible vacancies?

Yes, thus trying to save up some e fund now without touching core savings.

4. Do you feel you have sufficient insurance in case of disaster?

Really good point, cos' I don't have anymore for the apartment and house after I paid up the mortgage. :(
Health care wise, I do have coverage by own Medisave (mandatory savings allocated to such) and by national insurance schemes Medishield in event of sickness and hospitalisation.

5.  Finally, with so much of your money in real estate, bow confident are you in the values / rental prices where you are?  If your local market is at a peak, as many are, you may need to think about their average values, or more likely what kind of rent they will generate at a market bottom. 

It seems easy to rent out my apartment in Singapore but I am aware that nothing is forever. My first tenants been renting from me for the past 3 years. For my house in Malaysia, I was advised by property agents that it may be easy to rent out for $1000 monthly. Thinking of airbnb if this doesn't pan out.... :P

6. You have a lot of cash, but will you expect to leave that alone for an emergency, or will you expect to use it If the economy is depressed and the houses don't rent?

I am trying not to touch the core savings.
Maybe just relying on fixed deposit interest for survival if both properties are vacant.

7. While it seems quite low, will it stay exactly the same when you retire?  Will your goal require some investment in (paid) learning, or travel?  If you rent out your house, what will your living arrangements be?

I plan to travel more for spiritual learning and thus renting a room in Southeast Asia after FIRE, if my 2 properties are rented out. Expenses will surely be higher, if I do travel.

It's hard to get advice from my friends/coworkers cos they generally don't buy into the concept of FIFE and think I am crazy. :( So advice from this forum is valuable to me. :)



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Re: Can "fire" my boss after 9 mths?
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2018, 10:03:46 PM »
Your good.  How long can spiritual learning possibly take?  Even if it takes you 40 years you still won't run out of money, even assuming your expenses somehow double.  Besides, by the time you've reach the state of enlightenment you probably won't even need money any more. 

All kidding aside, I would have left yesterday.  You never know if you will see tomorrow and isn't conscious living asl well as being present in the moment the main tenants of spiritual learning?  So stop waiting to do what you want to do and start living an authentic life.  I'm still trying to figure out what the means, but it sounds spiritual.  =)

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Re: Can "fire" my boss after 9 mths?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2018, 01:02:12 AM »
Wahahaha, I literally laughed out loud at your enlightenment part mxt0133!!!  :P
Thanks a mil for the boost of confidence !!
Yeah, I am trying to follow my heart...But gotta save up for the e fund and reno cost, which is a killer!

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Re: Can "fire" my boss after 9 mths?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2018, 07:29:27 AM »
Are you saying you DON'T have insurance on the properties, or that you just have adequate insurance? If that's going to be the sole revenue stream for the rest of your life, that seems like a huge gamble.

Otherwise, I'd say live the life you want immediately.

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Re: Can "fire" my boss after 9 mths?
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2018, 07:38:40 PM »
Yes, I don't have any insurance for the properties. It's bad I know. :(
Appreciate harvestbook for this much needed reminder!!