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Hi guys.

I work as a server part time and take home around 1,600-1,800 a month. I made the terrible mistake of leasing a car 3 years ago, and I just made the last payment. I need to get a car ASAP. I only have 12k in savings, and I definitely don't want to blow it all at once. But it seems that anything in the 5k range is garbage and won't last long. And MMM says to never finance, but I'm worried I may have to finance some of it. I'm looking at 8k cars now. And then I know there will be many more fees including registration. I don't just want to lose all my money at once.
Also, I just got the traffic ticket that will suspend my license. So once that goes into effect, I can't get a car. So I have to do that first. Then I'm going to lose my license, and I have to get a restricted license. And I have no idea how much that's going to cost overall, or how much my ticket is going to be (this is a weird traffic ticket that doesn't have a dollar amount on it- mandatory court) it was just for a red light.

I'm starting to realize that I will never get anywhere with this job, even though I finally found a job that I like. This makes me very sad, cause this is what I wanted to do. But now I have a kid, and want to actually retire.

Anyway, first question. What do I do about the car? Only ones that won't blow my entire savings are garbage.
My rent is $855/mo
I receive $400 in child support, which I have been spending on my car payments and insurance

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What state are you in?

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sorry it's so stressful. I think you can slow down though, and maybe that will help you feel better. There is no rush to buy the next car if you won't even have an active license. hang on to your money, think it over, look for a good deal on a cheap but trustworthy car. Let your friends and family know you're looking.  How long until you will be licensed again? that's when you need the vehicle. or, in between now and then, maybe you will find another way to get around and that will change what you need in a car.

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How much driving do you have to do? If it's not more than 30 miles/day, I recommend going with a car that is <$5k.

I have never owned a car that cost more than $5k. I had a 1995 Corolla that lasted eight years. When I bought it for $4500 in 2003 it had 95k miles on it. No AC, but it got me where I needed to go. Sold it in 2012 for $1200. Bought a 1999 Corolla for $2500 to replace it. That car ran great for three years and we sold it to a friend because we wanted a hatchback.

I have two toddlers now. I drive a 2009 Mazda 5 (it's a small mini van) that we bought for $4600 in July 2017. It had 65k miles on it when we bought it. We also have a 2003 Toyota Matrix that we bought two years ago for $3300. It had 95k miles on it. So far neither car has needed any repairs.

I recommend Corollas, Civics, and Matrixes as great used cars that are under $5k and will hold up just fine for a couple of years until you can save enough for something nicer. Buy off Craigslist, pay cash, and look for a seller who kept good records of the car's maintenance. Have a mechanic check out anything you're serious about, and pay cash. You'll be fine.

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What state are you in?

Colorado. Just like MMM!

Dortuh

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sorry it's so stressful. I think you can slow down though, and maybe that will help you feel better. There is no rush to buy the next car if you won't even have an active license. hang on to your money, think it over, look for a good deal on a cheap but trustworthy car. Let your friends and family know you're looking.  How long until you will be licensed again? that's when you need the vehicle. or, in between now and then, maybe you will find another way to get around and that will change what you need in a car.

I do need to get the car, because I'm going to get the restricted license immediately after mine is suspended. And either way, I may have to go without for a little bit because I don't have the option to not drive. I have to take my daughter places. People aren't going to step up and transport her for me

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How much driving do you have to do? If it's not more than 30 miles/day, I recommend going with a car that is <$5k.

I have never owned a car that cost more than $5k. I had a 1995 Corolla that lasted eight years. When I bought it for $4500 in 2003 it had 95k miles on it. No AC, but it got me where I needed to go. Sold it in 2012 for $1200. Bought a 1999 Corolla for $2500 to replace it. That car ran great for three years and we sold it to a friend because we wanted a hatchback.

I have two toddlers now. I drive a 2009 Mazda 5 (it's a small mini van) that we bought for $4600 in July 2017. It had 65k miles on it when we bought it. We also have a 2003 Toyota Matrix that we bought two years ago for $3300. It had 95k miles on it. So far neither car has needed any repairs.

I recommend Corollas, Civics, and Matrixes as great used cars that are under $5k and will hold up just fine for a couple of years until you can save enough for something nicer. Buy off Craigslist, pay cash, and look for a seller who kept good records of the car's maintenance. Have a mechanic check out anything you're serious about, and pay cash. You'll be fine.

Wow, you have been lucky! Everything I have looked at under 5k makes horrible noises.

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Why is your license being suspended? A red light ticket is around 4 points and it usually takes 3x that to be suspended.  Do you have other violations?

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I have to take my daughter places. People aren't going to step up and transport her for me

I was in the same boat -sole parent, one kid, no support, etc. I went without a car. I used an excellent ($400) stroller that could carry my child up to a late age, over all terrains, through all weather (great cover), in intense climate conditions, was super comfy for kid, easy for me to push, and could hold lots of groceries in the bottom.

I would walk up to two hours to get him somewhere, very occasionally using a bus.

Highly recommend. A car is a lovely luxury, but (unless a severe medical condition or disability) not a necessity. Going without it can do absolute wonders for your finances short and long term.

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Walking is also great exercise, but it's sometimes not possible, depending on your location, work location, day care location, and the time one has to be at all the places. For instance, I wouldn't be able to get to my child's day care after my work ends by the time they close by walking or by bus. Same for my spouse but more so because it requires dashing to day care and then home to meet the bus within 30 minutes total, and after work ends.

So having a car is sometimes a necessity.

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That's a great point, jezebel.

OP, it can be worth it to flip the query over. Instead of: How can I buy a car so I can make my current job/house/daycare location work? you could explore, "How can I change my job/home/daycare location/situation so I don't need a car?" That was the approach that made the difference for me.

Sometimes changing one or more of these pieces eliminates the car expense, and expenses overall as well. It can even be worth paying, saying, $300/mo more for child care or apartment, if it means you can become car-free. When we flip queries over, we can often find a solution that makes everything easier (and less scary!).

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Why is your license being suspended? A red light ticket is around 4 points and it usually takes 3x that to be suspended.  Do you have other violations?

Only had two points left. Four point ticket. Been trying so hard not to speed and then of course I space out and run a light.

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Walking is also great exercise, but it's sometimes not possible, depending on your location, work location, day care location, and the time one has to be at all the places. For instance, I wouldn't be able to get to my child's day care after my work ends by the time they close by walking or by bus. Same for my spouse but more so because it requires dashing to day care and then home to meet the bus within 30 minutes total, and after work ends.

So having a car is sometimes a necessity.

That's exactly the issue. I live a half hour from dad's house, and have to drop her off ALWAYS 30 minutes before I work, and it's a 20 minute drive there. Just can't make it work with public transportation or walking.

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That's a great point, jezebel.

OP, it can be worth it to flip the query over. Instead of: How can I buy a car so I can make my current job/house/daycare location work? you could explore, "How can I change my job/home/daycare location/situation so I don't need a car?" That was the approach that made the difference for me.

Sometimes changing one or more of these pieces eliminates the car expense, and expenses overall as well. It can even be worth paying, saying, $300/mo more for child care or apartment, if it means you can become car-free. When we flip queries over, we can often find a solution that makes everything easier (and less scary!).

Currently not throwing away money on child care thankfully, so that would be a huge new expense. The distance between me and the people who take care of her isn't something that can change. Just singed a one year lease this month cause it was the only affordable apartment I could find.

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I have to take my daughter places. People aren't going to step up and transport her for me

I was in the same boat -sole parent, one kid, no support, etc. I went without a car. I used an excellent ($400) stroller that could carry my child up to a late age, over all terrains, through all weather (great cover), in intense climate conditions, was super comfy for kid, easy for me to push, and could hold lots of groceries in the bottom.

I would walk up to two hours to get him somewhere, very occasionally using a bus.

Highly recommend. A car is a lovely luxury, but (unless a severe medical condition or disability) not a necessity. Going without it can do absolute wonders for your finances short and long term.

Wishing you all the best, Dortuh.

That's a super helpful suggestion if the OP was able to skip to childcare and her job while pushing a stroller and chat with all the birds along the way and  but that does not seem to be the case. In Realityville, where most of us live, a car might be a necessity to get to work.Great to be out from under the lease, and hopefully there is an affordable Honda, Toyota or Mazda in her future. OP, any chance you can get more hours at your job? You are doing great, and keep up the good work. Single parenting is hard.

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That's a super helpful suggestion if the OP was able to skip to childcare and her job while pushing a stroller and chat with all the birds along the way and  but that does not seem to be the case. In Realityville, where most of us live...

???? Kinda harsh at me, calimon. I assure you that was not my situation at all.

I was proposing to OP that she explore all other options as well/first. Doing so made for an unconventional life for me, yes, but also totally turned around what "should have" been a terrible situation for my child and me. I want to give the OP all options for the best life possible. Many people on the forum have done pretty cool things, like calculate that breaking a lease early freed them up for slightly more costly apt near work or daycare, eliminating the need for vehicle, and coming out ahead overall. More than one way to skin a cat, and some ways work out unexpectedly cheaper overall.

Lots and lots of people in this reality get to work and child care without a vehicle.

The OP will do what's right for her. It's okay that I offer a completely reasonable suggestion based on my own hard reality.

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How much driving do you have to do? If it's not more than 30 miles/day, I recommend going with a car that is <$5k.

I have never owned a car that cost more than $5k. I had a 1995 Corolla that lasted eight years. When I bought it for $4500 in 2003 it had 95k miles on it. No AC, but it got me where I needed to go. Sold it in 2012 for $1200. Bought a 1999 Corolla for $2500 to replace it. That car ran great for three years and we sold it to a friend because we wanted a hatchback.

I have two toddlers now. I drive a 2009 Mazda 5 (it's a small mini van) that we bought for $4600 in July 2017. It had 65k miles on it when we bought it. We also have a 2003 Toyota Matrix that we bought two years ago for $3300. It had 95k miles on it. So far neither car has needed any repairs.

I recommend Corollas, Civics, and Matrixes as great used cars that are under $5k and will hold up just fine for a couple of years until you can save enough for something nicer. Buy off Craigslist, pay cash, and look for a seller who kept good records of the car's maintenance. Have a mechanic check out anything you're serious about, and pay cash. You'll be fine.

Wow, you have been lucky! Everything I have looked at under 5k makes horrible noises.

I am sure coming from a leased vehicle to the <5k range is a big step.  Do you know anyone who has a car of similar age to what you have seen?  Maybe they have some ideas where to find them.  Also, to jump to a conclusion:  they may look like crap, you just need them to be mechanically and structurally sound.

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First of all; there's no such thing as "just for a red light". Crossing a red light is a major thing as you could've put many people in danger. Your light being red means others are green and people will cross the street you've been passing through red. You've apparently done quite some speeding as well, so please improve your driving habits. Your licence gets restricted/suspended for a reason and that's that you're potentially putting yourself and others in danger with your driving habits.

Now, it turns out you won't have an option to go car-free on the short term as Jooni suggested due to your job/childcare/home situation. What kind of cars have you been looking at? It sounds like it's just you and the kid so a small, cheap car should do. I know nothing about cars, mechanics or car prices, but I do think englishteacheralex gave you some excellent suggestions on that front. If you have anyone around you that knows about the mechanics of a car that'd be great as the person could help you filter out the crappy looking vs the real crappy cars.

Also you mention your rental cost but not your other expenses. You have 12k saved up which is nice and enough to get a decent car for $5k, but how much of your current salary can you put aside monthly to replenish your savings after the car purchase? Your rent is quite high considering your income, but I can imagine with a toddler it might be hard to find a cheaper place in your are.

Wish you good luck!

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I just did a quick search on denver craigslist - prius, by-owner, clean title, and found 3 in the 5k range.  One was 200k, the other 2 are 150-170k miles.  A prius at that mileage is still a decent car with a lot of life left; they are easy cars to maintain and the parts are cheap.

Finding a good deal in a short time frame can be tough.  englishteachalex makes some good recommendations.  Lower powered cars use up their parts slower, which saves money, and even mild hypermiling has the added benefit of being easier on your car and generally making your driving fall inside the rules.  I found that hypermiling reduced my stress from commuting a great deal.

If you do all your required driving inside of a single city, you may find that a bike and trailer allow you to meet all your requirements; something to consider is that your insurance costs are probably high and about to get higher with that restricted license.  I've been where you are (minus the kid) and I think if I had to do it again I'd skip the car. 

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That's a super helpful suggestion if the OP was able to skip to childcare and her job while pushing a stroller and chat with all the birds along the way and  but that does not seem to be the case. In Realityville, where most of us live, a car might be a necessity to get to work.Great to be out from under the lease, and hopefully there is an affordable Honda, Toyota or Mazda in her future. OP, any chance you can get more hours at your job? You are doing great, and keep up the good work. Single parenting is hard.

Wow Calimom, that was pretty rude response to someone offering to help Dortuh think outside the box.

A car may very well be a necessity at the moment, but until a person takes a step WAY back to assess their situation (which most are too busy/stressed/don't even know there are other options) that can be very hard to know for sure.  Perhaps Dortuh does indeed need a vehicle for the near future, but could start planning for a different situation when her current lease is up in one year.  It seems obvious you did not care for the suggestion, but you certainly could have phrased your response in a less condescending tone.

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Have you compared the cost of Uber or Lyft to the cost of owning a car?

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I found these cars in about 10 minutes of craigslist searching. All seem nice and under $4000. I drive a 2004 Toyota Camry every day, it's safe, boring, and reliable.

2004 Mazda 6 in Denver
https://denver.craigslist.org/cto/d/2004-mazda-6/6577755838.html

2003 Toyota Camry in Colorado Springs
https://cosprings.craigslist.org/cto/d/2003-toyota-camry-160k-miles/6579776647.html

2006 Toyota Corolla in Colorado Springs
https://cosprings.craigslist.org/cto/d/2006-toyota-corolla-ce/6579297151.html

2005 Honda Accord in Colorado Springs
https://cosprings.craigslist.org/cto/d/2005-honda-accord/6579109491.html

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Have you compared the cost of Uber or Lyft to the cost of owning a car?
I would definitely consider this option.  If you can minimize your "must" driving, it may end up cheaper than you think.  Especially if you were leasing before.  Don't forget that this option also eliminates insurance, registration, taxes if applicable, etc.

Really though, there's absolutely no reason to spend more than $5k at the most for a car in your situation.  Personally, I've never spent more than $2k on a car, but you can find plenty of reliable cars with 100~150k for less than $5k.  My current car was $1800 with 140k on the clock (now at 165k and still going strong).

EDIT: Example: in my area, right now, you can get a 2008 Hyundai Accent with 102k miles for $2600.  That's without me looking very hard.  I had a 2009 Accent that ran to 262k miles.  They're good cars.

EDIT 2: I'll also underscore some things others have said.  There is no "just" in "just for a red light."  That's serious business and you need to treat it as such.  That's how people fucking die.
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First, good on you for getting rid of the lease and getting a reliable cheap car.  Also good for you for having savings and trying not to blow them with a low income and a kid.

If you haven't turned in your lease yet, be warned you may get charged for and dings and scratches.  If it isn't pristine you may be better off taking it to get fixed before turning it in. 

Advice you asked for:
Newer cars should go about 200K with just regular maintenance.  Here are 90 or so within 100 miles of Longmont, CO that are less than 5K 2006 or newer and have 150K or fewer miles.  https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/cars+under+5000/Longmont+CO-80501?zip=80501&startYear=2006&maxMileage=150000&numRecords=100&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&maxPrice=5000&firstRecord=0&endYear=2019&searchRadius=100

Take a look at a few and do some research on the best gas mileage and reliability.  I wouldn't focus on a specific car or brand just the right balance of miles, age, and price.  You should be able to to do better buying from an individual through craigslist.  But even dealers have good options under 5K likely with at least a short term warranty.

Also don't forget to haggle.  I recommend dealership haggling before showing up.  E-mail about 3 or 4 cars ask for out the door prices and pit them against eachother.  Way easier and less stressful then just showing up and hoping for the best.  But plan for the back and forth to take about a week.

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As other folks have said you would be far better off not having a car if possible.  Late nights working at a restaurant followed by picking up your toddler and then having to go home would be much better in a car, even if the distances are relatively short (under 8 miles).  But this may not be an option for you.  It sounds like the plan is to rush out and buy a car so at best you can drive with a restricted license or possibly drive without a license.  But your driving gets you two tickets a year.  So the restricted/unlicensed driving plan is likely to fail in 6 months anyway and might end with your car impounded.  How would you survive if that happened?  If there is an option to live with family or move closer to work/childcare to go car free (or rent free), consider doing it now before it is another emergency with far less savings backing you up.  Talk to your landlord, explain your dire financial situation.  Especially if it is a small time landlord, he or she is likely to be far happier to have you leave then to end up having to evict you.
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I live a half hour from dad's house, and have to drop her off ALWAYS 30 minutes before I work, and it's a 20 minute drive there. Just can't make it work with public transportation or walking.

Is there any possibility of him picking her up temporarily? Could you stay with relatives or have a relative or friend stay with you for awhile to help out? As others have said, driving without a license sounds like a bad idea. If you can't avoid it completely, at least it would be good to minimise it as much as possible.

On the car question. For several years, I had a 2005 Buick Century that I bought used from my grandparents. It's the sort of car that seems like a grandparent car. But it was great. It drove better than my previous Corolla had. It was comfortable. It got decent though not stellar mileage. The Corolla held its value fairly well, and it was easy to sell on Craigslist after 9 years. But when I went to sell the Buick in early 2016 nobody wanted it. I had it on Craigslist for weeks without a single response, even after marking it down to about $1800, and I finally had to sell it to  CarMax for $700. It had a dent in the bumper by that point, but still. It was ridiculous for a decent car that still ran well, but apparently Buicks don't hold their value because they're not cool or popular. If you could find something like that that was solid and ran well but just wasn't cool, that might be a good option. This is pretty much exactly what my car was like except without the dented bumper: https://denver.craigslist.org/cto/d/2005-buick-century-custom/6564533695.html

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How much longer until your next points fall off your record?  Is it soon?  Can you reschedule the court case?  It may be worth speaking to a lawyer.  They may be able to get you a continuance to avoid losing your license.

Was it a red light camera or actual ticket from a cop?  In my state if it is a camera no points are applied.

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I would suggest not buying a car because you will be tempted to drive while under suspension and that is just going to make thing worse not IF buy WHEN you get pulled over.

That damn Murphy guy has a way of knowing and will bite you in the ass at the worst possible time.

Might be worth looking into reorganizing your life to where you can get by without a car, sounds like your job is easily replaced so what can you do to make that possible?

Also consider using Uber, Lyft or paying a friend to drive you.

5k is a bunch of Uber trips and if you can get the location sorted it would even go further.

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You should not drive with a suspended license,  so no sense in getting a car right now. You have no choice but to reorder your life, as these are the consequences for poor driving. I guess you'll need to move closer to work, bum rides with coworkers, use uber, or talk your child care giver (the child's father?) into helping you with transport as well.
What is the situation if you're pulled over driving on a suspended license? Jail time? Huge fines?
At least you have savings so you can weather these next few months of difficult transportation issues.

How far is it to your work? Maybe you walk /bike/ uber there and have child's father pick child up at your work. This is only temporary, so should be doable. Maybe fit in some time to take a driving course.

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Often people with a suspended license can get a provisional or restricted license which means they can only drive to work and childcare. I think this is what the OP is talking about. I have known people that have had this.

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But until it is granted you have no way of knowing if they will grant you one or not so the OP could go out and get a car, spend the money and not get the red license.

It smacks of desperation and people make bad decisions when they are desperate.

This is how you hear people get in way over their heads, she made some bad decisions with driving that are now putting her in a desperate situation and it will cascade from here if she does not take control of the situation.

Things like I have to get a car before I lose my license are very telling that the thought process is from a desperate perspective.

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I agree that Uber/Lyft between childcare and work makes sense as a stopgap while working out a better long-term solution. Much better than getting a car in a panic. Could walk/public transit between home and child care to minimize costs.

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In Colorado, 2 words can dramatically slash the price of a car, but won't affect its performance:  HAIL DAMAGE. 

Keep scouring craigslist / carmax for postings with those words and you can probably save a bundle on a car that's mechanically sound.

Good luck!

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Why is your license being suspended? A red light ticket is around 4 points and it usually takes 3x that to be suspended.  Do you have other violations?

Only had two points left. Four point ticket. Been trying so hard not to speed and then of course I space out and run a light.

Trying obviously isn't working.  Just don't speed.  Set cruise control at 35 if limit is 35.  Pay attention.  You can't really have any excuse for traffic violations since they are nobody else's fault.  It's a choice how fast you go.  A choice to pay attention.  A choice to leave on time so you don't have to speed to get to places.

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I usually pay three figures for my cars, but I'm crazy. There are plenty of acceptable used cars available in all parts of the U.S. for less than $5,000. Look on Craigslist and Autotrader and try to find private party sales -- used car dealers trading in sub-$5,000 cars in your part of the world are far more prone to ripping people off. Plenty of people here have spoken about makes and models that are particularly good candidates in that price range. Given that your yearly cashflow is around $25,000, my personal recommendation is to shoot for a $2,500 car (more than twice what I pay for my cars), given my hard-core personal rule of thumb that nobody should drive a car worth more than 10% of his or her yearly earnings. At that price point you can still find something adequate, but it is a bit harder than at $5,000.

But more fundamentally, a suspended license due to a long list of traffic infractions (topped off by running a red light due to sheer inattention) is probably the Traffic Gods' way of telling you that you should probably not be driving. Suppose you had your kid in the car when you pulled that stunt and got T-boned by crossing traffic? Also, with that kind of record, your car insurance rates be astronomical. Any kind of driving is a luxury you can barely afford on your yearly income.

So I really think you should try very hard to think outside the box here: pricing out Uber rides, getting very familiar with the bus schedule, figuring out if a bike (even an electric bike) with kid-trailer gets you places fast enough, looking into breaking your lease early to find a place with a better location, even looking for a new job -- it sounds like you are at a server at a higher-class restaurant ($1,800 / month on a part time schedule sounds like you're clearing in the $20+ / hour range, which is far better than fast food), but there are plenty of different neighborhoods in Denver with nicer restaurants that could provide equal wages and a better commute setup.

If you are going to stick with the used-car + restricted license plan, find a used Corolla or Civic or Prius or granny's used Buick from a private seller for well under $5,000. But before jumping into that, spend the rest of the week also figuring out if you can avoid driving for the next few months. And you should probably take some serious driving lessons once you re-qualify for an unrestricted license before getting back on the road.

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I would side with the others - getting your license restricted/suspended is your own fault. It's not that I don't sympathize with your situation, but you do have to face this fact.

Now, as for the car. I may sound like a tool saying this, but given that car ownership is one of the greatest expenses anybody can have, it would make sense to learn about cars. I have friends with PhDs who haven't learned how to change their spark plugs because cars are scary and they don't believe they can learn about them. All those years learning how to research, but they're scared of this kind of research?

Take an afternoon to surf youtube videos, buy a repair manual for the car you have and learn to identify the parts you can see under the hood. Depending on the make/model, you may be able to check this out from the library. Just the knowledge about cars can be invaluable, even if you don't have the tools or know-how to change anything. It's very empowering and can save you loads of money by preventing shops from pushing big repairs on you that your car doesn't need. For me, personally, I can handle car problems well and not be too worried about them since my understanding has taken the general mystery out of irregular operation. And I'm pretty sure I've heard of a high pink tax in repair shops. Fight back!

By the way, +1 for having so much in savings. I hope things work out