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Why are CMax so cheap
« on: March 26, 2021, 10:10:44 AM »
I might be wrong but looking around to see what car would we eventually buy I see Ford CMax is really cheap.
I am still not decided between the plug in version or the  ormal hybrid one, but I am kind of wondering why are the prices so low.

I will give just ome example, with a relatively low mileage, low years, well equiped car:
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/1FADP5FUXHL103849
Prius for comparison, I don't know the equipment level, but year and mileage are close. Price is not.
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/JTDKARFU0H3044157

The difference is 5k usd, which means the Prius is around 40% more expensive...
Please let me know if I am missing something.
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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2021, 10:30:15 AM »
Toyotas generally retain value more so than other brands.

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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2021, 10:33:57 AM »
Well, I can speculate.  The CMax is a fairly unknown vehicle.  Ford has basically bet the farm on the sales of pickup trucks and SUVs (they axed almost their entire line of sedans). I've heard positive things about the CMax, but there are so few of them out there, there's not a lot of word-of-mouth to go around.

The Prius, on the other hand, has been around for over 20 years, had first-mover advantage in the hybrid market, and has a rock-solid reputation for reliability, both from its brand (Toyota) and from its own history, and for economy.  Their ubiquity means it's easy to find parts and people who are used to working on them.

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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2021, 10:34:17 AM »
They're overlooked and forgotten ugly ducklings. They're also a body style that's fallen out of favor among car buyers. Most people have no idea what they are, unlike a Prius. And you skip the "Toyota tax". The nice thing about the Ford hybrids (besides the buy in), is that they licensed the Prius transmission design from Toyota. That's the critical part of the system that makes it a hybrid. It's a very basic design with a very low rate of failure. Ford eventually made some changes that Toyota then copied too. I think a lot of people hear about automatic transmission failures in Ford cars of that era and assume that the hybrids will suffer the same fate, but they're actually super reliable.

The Fusion hybrid and PHEV have the same power train, and have similar pricing if you want another reasonable, fuel efficient option. I really like my Fusion PHEV, and current lifetime fuel economy is 87mpg over 51k miles. It usually peaks around 92mpg lifetime in the warmer months with about 40% of my driving using gas.

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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2021, 10:39:48 AM »
Toyotas generally retain value more so than other brands.

Yes, because they are known to be some of the most reliable cars you can buy.  Prius in particular has a reputation for reliability. 

How long will you keep this car?  If buying new, I would highly prioritize vehicles that hold their value.  When buying used, retaining value cuts both ways.  You would pay more for the Prius but you can sell it for more down the road or drive it longer before it become unreliable.  I'm not sure there is a wrong answer.  The Ford is new enough that it will be a good car for a good while.  But, it will (typically) need to be replaced sooner. 

Sometimes, the best deals are lesser known brands that are building a reputation for reliability.  The used value is lower so you can find good deals but they are still pretty reliable. 

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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2021, 10:41:15 AM »
I have a C-Max and really like it.

However - it gets considerably worse gas mileage than a Prius. Easily a 10 mpg difference or more (depending on the year to year comparison).

Ford got dinged for inflating the stats when it came out & even had to give $ to early purchasers for the error.

So that's another reason - on top of all the others - for the price disparity.

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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2021, 10:43:51 AM »
They were never a popular car and wound up mostly used for fleet duty. They've also been discontinued for some time so replacement unique parts will become hard to find sooner than normal. Their mileage ratings also aren't quite as good as its competitors and IIRC there were lawsuits about exaggerated MPG claims in the early years leading to a payout from Ford. Some have known issues with the infotainment system that can be annoying.

That said, as far as I know, they aren't bad cars and can be a good deal. A friend was hot on them when looking for a new daily driver and I went a long for a few test drives. They are quite roomy with lots of storage for a small car (hence why fleets liked them). The fuel mileage was fine, even if it wasn't as good as some of the others. It would make a good commuter car.

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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2021, 11:02:00 AM »
consumer reports says the cmax is more fun to drive than a prius V but is not as roomy or as efficient as the prius V
states ~37 mpg overall

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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2021, 11:58:26 AM »
Here's my preferred resource for the inside scoop.

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Ford/C-Max_Hybrid/

Looks like the only recalls have been for minor accessory systems like the chime it's supposed to make when you exit the car while it's still on.

The main issue people report is the battery going dead, which one person traced to a faulty radio/info unit or software that freezes up and drains that battery (after replacing the presumably good batteries 5x, lol). Perhaps there is an opportunity here to take the car to the dealer for a software update, after buying it for cheap because of reputation issues!

Keep in mind that reviews are often unreliable because some people just like to betch. Also look at the number of complaints compared to the number of cars produced. One could run a ratio of complaints on car complaints.com vs. number produced and generate some interesting ratios. However, keep in mind that a lot of these issues are resolved by things like software updates.

TL;DR: Buy the car if the price is right, and then use preventative maintenance / dealer updates to resolve any issues others have had.

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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2021, 05:37:48 PM »
NYC has one of the largest fleets of vehicles in the US. They tracked maintenance costs of a few different vehicles, and in general the more electrified a vehicle was, the less it cost to maintain. Look at the differences between the various versions of the Fusion for a clear example:


The Fusion Hybrid is the same powertrain as the regular CMax. The Fusion PHEV is the same as the CMax PHEV. So it's worth considering in your decision.

FYI, if you've got a place to charge nightly, a full EV can make a lot of sense. I know that you mentioned cheap Nissan Leafs, and used Chevy Bolts have already been suggested, but some dealers are advertising brand new Bolts for under $20k right now. I see 46 on Autotrader at the moment. They'd have a liquid cooled battery and 260miles of range, so they're far more capable than an old Leaf and shouldn't suffer from the same battery degradation, meaning it will last a long time.
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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2021, 11:08:08 PM »
Thank you for the information.
Regarding the transmission, I had a Focus with the Powershift transmission. I liked how it felt like a manual, but I did not like the fact that it was broken...

Regarding CMax body shape, I love wagons. As those are not easy to find at good prices next shape for me is hatchback. That is, besides the minivan we have now :-).

I think we will need either a second car or a replacement for the current car in the next year or two and I was looking for roomy car with some nice features, low price and with good fuel economy (I know about the issues Ford had with the numbers they initially published for this and I am ok with the real numbers).

Reading here it seems there are no big issues I did not know about (like the powershift problems on the Focus I had :-)).
Will see if this car is still valid when the time comes as I think the last production year was 2017 I would like to have  car less tham 5 years old next time when I shop.

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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2021, 11:20:19 PM »
I think you got most of the answers you were looking for: for the most part, people don't know CMaxes exist, the typical Ford buyer doesn't want a hatchback hybrid and the dealers don't push them, a lot of PHEVs sit on the lot after coming back from three year leases.

Have a used C-Max Energi and an older Prius V sitting in driveway, in real terms paid more for the Prius. The Toyota/Prius tax is real. The PHEV works great, say we do about 90% of miles in electric. The extra space the battery takes up in the rear of the Energi is annoying. Use the Prius V when more hauling space is needed. If there was a Prius V prime I'd be all over, but there isn't.

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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2021, 08:38:35 AM »
I just recently learned that the C-Max comes in a hybrid model, and that it's the same drive train as the Fusion hybrid (which has high reliability ratings).
So I shopped a bit (online) and found one.  I traded in my '14 Fusion hybrid SE for a '17 C-Max hybrid SE.
The hybrid battery took up a lot of the Fusion trunk.  And something that irritated me repeatedly; I had to memorize the 5 banks of radio memories (3 FM, 2 AM) AND there was no direct route to the specific memories.  Always: mem banks, up as needed, select, then up as needed to the memory I wanted and select.   Such a PAIN (IMA).
The C-Max is a bit smaller footprint, so easier to park.  And visibility is better - though I wonder about how much sun is going to come thru all that glass.   Of course, it has the hybrid battery too, but there is lots of room above it.
The C-Max has a few quirks.  There's no volume control for the nav (GPS) directions, and it's fairly quiet.  There's no where to mount my garmin GPS.  So I'm off to find and join a C-Max forum to (hopefully) find answers / options.

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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2021, 08:41:40 AM »
I just recently learned that the C-Max comes in a hybrid model, and that it's the same drive train as the Fusion hybrid (which has high reliability ratings).
So I shopped a bit (online) and found one.  I traded in my '14 Fusion hybrid SE for a '17 C-Max hybrid SE.
The hybrid battery took up a lot of the Fusion trunk.  And something that irritated me repeatedly; I had to memorize the 5 banks of radio memories (3 FM, 2 AM) AND there was no direct route to the specific memories.  Always: mem banks, up as needed, select, then up as needed to the memory I wanted and select.   Such a PAIN (IMA).
The C-Max is a bit smaller footprint, so easier to park.  And visibility is better - though I wonder about how much sun is going to come thru all that glass.   Of course, it has the hybrid battery too, but there is lots of room above it.
The C-Max has a few quirks.  There's no volume control for the nav (GPS) directions, and it's fairly quiet.  There's no where to mount my garmin GPS.  So I'm off to find and join a C-Max forum to (hopefully) find answers / options.

Try this?


https://owner.ford.com/support/how-tos/solution-finder/your-vehicle/interior/center-console/sync-and-tech/myford-touch/navigation/usage/how-do-i-adjust-my-navigation-system-volume.html

Use dashboard or steering wheel controls:
Wait for the navigation voice to begin speaking.
Before the voice finishes giving directions, use the volume knob or buttons located on your dashboard or steering wheel to adjust the volume.

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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2021, 08:55:29 AM »
I just recently learned that the C-Max comes in a hybrid model, and that it's the same drive train as the Fusion hybrid (which has high reliability ratings).
So I shopped a bit (online) and found one.  I traded in my '14 Fusion hybrid SE for a '17 C-Max hybrid SE.
The hybrid battery took up a lot of the Fusion trunk.  And something that irritated me repeatedly; I had to memorize the 5 banks of radio memories (3 FM, 2 AM) AND there was no direct route to the specific memories.  Always: mem banks, up as needed, select, then up as needed to the memory I wanted and select.   Such a PAIN (IMA).
The C-Max is a bit smaller footprint, so easier to park.  And visibility is better - though I wonder about how much sun is going to come thru all that glass.   Of course, it has the hybrid battery too, but there is lots of room above it.
The C-Max has a few quirks.  There's no volume control for the nav (GPS) directions, and it's fairly quiet.  There's no where to mount my garmin GPS.  So I'm off to find and join a C-Max forum to (hopefully) find answers / options.

Try this?


https://owner.ford.com/support/how-tos/solution-finder/your-vehicle/interior/center-console/sync-and-tech/myford-touch/navigation/usage/how-do-i-adjust-my-navigation-system-volume.html

Use dashboard or steering wheel controls:
Wait for the navigation voice to begin speaking.
Before the voice finishes giving directions, use the volume knob or buttons located on your dashboard or steering wheel to adjust the volume.
I ABSOLUTELY will try that - ASAP!!  THANKS!

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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2021, 06:51:41 AM »
I am considering a 2013 C-MAX (Hybrid not PHEV).
Does anybody on this thread have a sense for the pros/cons relating specifically to the 2013 C-MAX? I am specifically interested in developing a better understanding of the transmission and the hybrid battery life.

The two cars that I am considering are linked below:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/904277673827044/?referralSurface=messenger_lightspeed_banner&referralCode=messenger_banner

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1130174711054497/?referralSurface=messenger_lightspeed_banner&referralCode=messenger_banner

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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2021, 07:28:32 AM »
I am considering a 2013 C-MAX (Hybrid not PHEV).
Does anybody on this thread have a sense for the pros/cons relating specifically to the 2013 C-MAX? I am specifically interested in developing a better understanding of the transmission and the hybrid battery life.

I found this transmission video to be very informative when I was shopping. The same channel has several other vids on various Ford/Toyota/GM hybrid transmissions.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hHU5xFOBcsU

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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2021, 07:57:08 AM »
Thanks. That video is cool, but it doesn't really tell me whether it's possible to assess a transmission in a car that I want to buy.
Any thoughts on how to decide whether a 2013 C-MAX purchase is a good idea?

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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2021, 11:12:23 AM »
Anyone using their Ford C-Max to get to trailheads, drive over snowy mountain passes, general adventure access? Thoughts on the C-Max as a mustacian half-city runner, half-adventure mobile?

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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2021, 11:20:25 AM »
Seems an escape hybrid of about the year 2012 would be better for that.

That series escape commonly makes it way to over engineered vehicle list. The gasoline equivalent for the same year is garbage.

I think the as someone said, when you think ford you don't think hybrid even if it is well designed.  You think mustang and f150 and those people aren't looking at hybrids.    And hybrid people are looking at Prius not Ford.   C-max is a product that didn't reach it's intended market.

The Chevy volt suffered a similar fate.  Everything I read says it's a well engineered reliable vehicle, but the Chevy folks didn't jump on that in mass.

And the poor Nissan leaf. . . . I see many golf carts for sale for more than Nissan leafs are going for atm.   Shit - I'd just yank the doors off and use that for a fancy golf cart with better range lol . And street legal. 


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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2021, 12:01:18 PM »
I just found a 2011 and 2012 model too:

2011 - https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-2012-Ford-Escape-Hybrid-c22921#listing=317445116/NONE

2012 - https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-2012-Ford-Escape-Hybrid-c22921#listing=315053086/NONE


... But something in me in rebelling against buying a decade old car with the hopes of it lasting another 5 years... am I being silly?

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« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2021, 12:50:16 PM »
I think the as someone said, when you think ford you don't think hybrid even if it is well designed.  You think mustang and f150 and those people aren't looking at hybrids.    And hybrid people are looking at Prius not Ford.   C-max is a product that didn't reach it's intended market.

The Chevy volt suffered a similar fate.  Everything I read says it's a well engineered reliable vehicle, but the Chevy folks didn't jump on that in mass.

And the poor Nissan leaf. . . . I see many golf carts for sale for more than Nissan leafs are going for atm.   Shit - I'd just yank the doors off and use that for a fancy golf cart with better range lol . And street legal. 

Ford in particular has produced a lot of crappy cars over the years, so maybe the question should be "Why are Fords so cheap?". Look at what happened to buyers of the Ford Fiesta and Ford Focus between 2011 and 2016:

https://www.freep.com/in-depth/news/2019/10/28/ford-investigation-out-of-gear/2166912001/

The truth is, Ford has been producing poor-quality transmissions for decades. The reason the Pinto burst into flames in the 1970s was twofold: first the design of the gas tank, second that the transmission would quit in the middle of the highway, leading to lots of rear-end collisions.

In general, their sedans are bought by fleets and by people who only plan to keep their new car a couple of years. They also rope in a lot of customers who don't know much about how to obtain automotive reliability information and think a car is a car.

Hybrids and BEVs tend to be bought by people who dive deep into doing their homework. Plus, people who are shopping for hybrids/BEVs now were shopping for economy cars like the Focus in the past, and had friends doing the same. What they found caused Ford to be crossed off their list.

If the CMax appears to be a decent quality vehicle, it may be because Ford had to go around some of their existing vendors and engineers to build it as a one-off low volume item. Persistent quality problems ALWAYS reflect deeper problems with leadership, incentives, and internal politics. So as Ford moves toward electrification, expect the same underlying issues to cause quality lapses. Consumers will remain reluctant to buy relatively new propulsion tech from a company that still hasn't mastered the ICE transmission, especially when they get to experience the vehicle at an age of 10 years or so.

Similarly, GM is notorious for bad electronics across multiple decades of vehicles. A friend of mine is on his 3rd alternator, has had to replace numerous switches and sensors, and has been to the dealer for dashboard lights multiple times. How do we feel about buying and electric vehicle from a company we know is bad at electronics? Sure enough... https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/recall-all-chevy-bolt-vehicles-fire-risk

You know who's good at electronics? Silicon Valley. Hence the frenzy for Teslas, despite their relative lack of experience building cars. People will take a chance on a used Tesla because they don't personally know people left stranded or with four-figure repair bills by them.

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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2021, 01:03:43 PM »
I think it's deeper than Ford or gm not being good at electronics.

I think the bigger issue is that they really don't give 2 shits about their economy car lines. Not for long term reliability, r&d... anything.   If their economy vehicles get bought and survive a 5 mile drive, it served it's purpose for Cafe standards.

I imagine their new ev mustang will get substantially better treatment at all levels than any high mpg vehicle previously released.    But we'll see ...

In response to someone asking about the escape, it's been a while since I looked into escapes , but there is a certain year that I think went to heat pump heat and other more fuel efficient accessory belt driven items.

I think* it was 2012.  Not 100% sure but be aware there are some good improvements that aren't present on 2009 era hybrids.

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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2021, 01:08:39 PM »
Thanks. That video is cool, but it doesn't really tell me whether it's possible to assess a transmission in a car that I want to buy.
Any thoughts on how to decide whether a 2013 C-MAX purchase is a good idea?

The Ford transmission with a high failure rate was the dual clutch unit in the Focus. The hybrid CVT used is completely different and is known for pretty strong reliability. It's basically 2 electric motors and a planetary gear set. There's very little that can go wrong there. As I said earlier in this thread, the transmission is essentially the same as what's used in a Prius and all of Toyota's hybrid models. They're used in all of Ford's hybrid models before 2020 too, again with very strong reliability. They use these transmissions in Ford and Toyota taxis in many places and put 300-400k miles on them with pretty brutal use. If they were having frequent transmission issues, they wouldn't be used as taxis.

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« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2021, 01:10:51 PM »
I think it's deeper than Ford or gm not being good at electronics.

I think the bigger issue is that they really don't give 2 shits about their economy car lines. Not for long term reliability, r&d... anything.   If their economy vehicles get bought and survive a 5 mile drive, it served it's purpose for Cafe standards.

As I mentioned, persistent quality problems ALWAYS reflect deeper problems with leadership, incentives, and internal politics.

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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2021, 01:23:39 PM »
I think the as someone said, when you think ford you don't think hybrid even if it is well designed.  You think mustang and f150 and those people aren't looking at hybrids.    And hybrid people are looking at Prius not Ford.   C-max is a product that didn't reach it's intended market.

The Chevy volt suffered a similar fate.  Everything I read says it's a well engineered reliable vehicle, but the Chevy folks didn't jump on that in mass.

And the poor Nissan leaf. . . . I see many golf carts for sale for more than Nissan leafs are going for atm.   Shit - I'd just yank the doors off and use that for a fancy golf cart with better range lol . And street legal. 

Ford in particular has produced a lot of crappy cars over the years, so maybe the question should be "Why are Fords so cheap?". Look at what happened to buyers of the Ford Fiesta and Ford Focus between 2011 and 2016:

https://www.freep.com/in-depth/news/2019/10/28/ford-investigation-out-of-gear/2166912001/

The truth is, Ford has been producing poor-quality transmissions for decades. The reason the Pinto burst into flames in the 1970s was twofold: first the design of the gas tank, second that the transmission would quit in the middle of the highway, leading to lots of rear-end collisions.

In general, their sedans are bought by fleets and by people who only plan to keep their new car a couple of years. They also rope in a lot of customers who don't know much about how to obtain automotive reliability information and think a car is a car.

Hybrids and BEVs tend to be bought by people who dive deep into doing their homework. Plus, people who are shopping for hybrids/BEVs now were shopping for economy cars like the Focus in the past, and had friends doing the same. What they found caused Ford to be crossed off their list.

If the CMax appears to be a decent quality vehicle, it may be because Ford had to go around some of their existing vendors and engineers to build it as a one-off low volume item. Persistent quality problems ALWAYS reflect deeper problems with leadership, incentives, and internal politics. So as Ford moves toward electrification, expect the same underlying issues to cause quality lapses. Consumers will remain reluctant to buy relatively new propulsion tech from a company that still hasn't mastered the ICE transmission, especially when they get to experience the vehicle at an age of 10 years or so.

Similarly, GM is notorious for bad electronics across multiple decades of vehicles. A friend of mine is on his 3rd alternator, has had to replace numerous switches and sensors, and has been to the dealer for dashboard lights multiple times. How do we feel about buying and electric vehicle from a company we know is bad at electronics? Sure enough... https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/recall-all-chevy-bolt-vehicles-fire-risk

You know who's good at electronics? Silicon Valley. Hence the frenzy for Teslas, despite their relative lack of experience building cars. People will take a chance on a used Tesla because they don't personally know people left stranded or with four-figure repair bills by them.

I don't see how what Ford did in the 70s has any bearing on what Ford was doing in the 2010. Standards change. Tech changes, and quality varies by model or year. Honda has a good reputation for quality, but they've had tons of transmission issues over the years, and their newer stuff ranks much lower in initial quality than the old stuff did. They're struggling with maintaining their quality with direct injection and turbocharging tech. Toyota generally remains pretty high, but they're also usually the last to adopt new tech. There are good Fords and bad ones. There are good GMs and bad ones. There are good Hondas and bad ones. Making assumptions about brands across the board means you miss out on some deals, and you might get caught with a broken down model from a "reliable" brand.

The Ford hybrids use the same style transmission as the Toyota hybrids. They had an agreement where they shared tech with each other. Early Ford hybrids used the Prius style, later Ford hybrids repackaged the components in a more efficient way, and Toyota eventually copied the Ford redesign. Ford and Toyota hybrids are all highly regarded for their reliability, and they all use the same basic transmission as the most critical component of the hybrid system.

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« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2021, 07:20:46 AM »
My C-MAX is a 2014 with 90,000 miles on it. It's still going strong and needs very little in terms of maintenance. The gas mileage is slowly getting worse, and as I noted earlier in this thread, was never as good as was promised (or comparable to the Prius).

Over the last year, I finally had to replace the original starter battery (not the HV/hybrid battery, which is still going strong). This is normal/routine maintenance.

The C-MAX from 2013s did have a few more problems than the 2014 related to battery issues/electrical drains (since it was the first year it was available in the USA, as opposed to the UK). But any car you'll find in good shape NOW won't have any of those issues.

My C-Max is nearing the end of the Ford warranty on the hybrid/HV battery (8 year/100,000 miles). For all I know, the hybrid battery could die tomorrow. A quick internet search suggests that this isn't happening to other C-Max owners, and that tests on these batteries don't indicate that it's likely to happen so soon in the vehicle life. Of course, with a low-volume sale vehicle & different user conditions, 🤷‍♂️.

Anyone using their Ford C-Max to get to trailheads, drive over snowy mountain passes, general adventure access? Thoughts on the C-Max as a mustacian half-city runner, half-adventure mobile?

The C-Max is an "ok at best" car for trailheads and snowy mountain passes, but it really depends. The main issue is that the ground clearance is pretty low (though comparable to many sedans). My biggest C-Max car expense of the past few years was having to replace the under-shield/radiator cover due to misjudging clearance & the beating the underside of the car took.
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Re: Why are CMax so cheap
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2021, 07:34:16 AM »
I don't have a hybrid, but I don't fear the batteries like I used to.

Specialist shops are popping up that handle this.   Used to the shop was 3 hours away,.  Then 1.5.

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Now there is a little independent shop in my small town that strictly does hybrid, and EV work including battery cell repair.

The price of battery work has become much more affordable. It's a not a death sentence for the car like it once was.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!