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What's better than Mustachianism?
« on: March 15, 2023, 03:40:22 AM »
Are you into something that's even better than Mustachianism? What is it and why is it so great?

I ask because Mustachianism has been fantastic for our family over the past ten years or so, we have followed the journey from hair-on-fire to post-FIRE, and it would be such a shame to have missed this wonderful cult.

But... what if there other even better cults that aren't on our radars? Which one should we join next as a complement to our Mustachianism?

If you are in the know please share your wisdom :)
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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2023, 05:12:21 AM »
Hmm… First rule of Fight Club…

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2023, 06:43:44 AM »
Not sure I'd call common sense and not being stupid with money is a "cult"? But if you want a cult I suggest you try crossfit

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2023, 06:48:33 AM »
You could hike the Appalachian Trail--- Georgia to Maine, takes about 6 months.  People I've talked to that have done it say it changes your perspective of the world.  Since OP is post-fired, there's lots of time and no job to worry about coming back to.

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2023, 06:49:10 AM »
If you like cool science stuff, then your next "cult" might be to follow the you tubers who create ecospheres in a jars. Then you can start making your own.

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2023, 07:04:34 AM »
You want something better than financial independence and improved general health and happiness??


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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2023, 07:08:30 AM »
Sure, you are so cheap and obsessed with saving that you never get into a hobby that would have provided you much enjoyment and happiness.

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2023, 07:14:45 AM »
Sure, you are so cheap and obsessed with saving that you never get into a hobby that would have provided you much enjoyment and happiness.

??? Trolling a bit?

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2023, 07:46:08 AM »
Sure, you are so cheap and obsessed with saving that you never get into a hobby that would have provided you much enjoyment and happiness.

??? Trolling a bit?

I don't even know what that was supposed to be a reply to??

Not having hobbies is pretty antimustachian

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2023, 07:59:03 AM »
ICE COLD!! --oh, wait, wrong context

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2023, 08:42:31 AM »
Sure, you are so cheap and obsessed with saving that you never get into a hobby that would have provided you much enjoyment and happiness.

??? Trolling a bit?

It's not a troll. Think about it, buddy. I'll give you an example. I'd love to build a barn and pack of full of goats and critters. But, I don't want to spend $50,000-$100,000 doing so. Could I afford it? Yes. But it will make my stash smaller, the money will no longer compound yearly. I'm 37 so my money has many years of compounding left. On top of that I have yearly insurance and property tax increase. Also, the markets are not at an all time high, it's time to stay in the market.

When you become a Mustachiasnim you see money differently. If it was $1,000-$10,000 hobbie, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2023, 08:45:29 AM »
Sure, you are so cheap and obsessed with saving that you never get into a hobby that would have provided you much enjoyment and happiness.

??? Trolling a bit?

I don't even know what that was supposed to be a reply to??

Not having hobbies is pretty antimustachian

"Are you into something that's even better than Mustachianism? What is it and why is it so great?"

Replying to that. Yes, some of my hobbies are foraging, gardening, planting trees, hiking, camping, rock climbing, etc. Those are all dirt cheap hobbies compared to my previous post above this one. Building a barn and having goats and other critters. 50k-100k plus utilities, insurance, property tax increase. Huge drain when at a young age.

What I'm getting at is being hardcore stashers is not necessarily the best thing. Everyone situation is different. Being a stasher is living frugal then FIRE, then living frugal in retirement. Perhaps it's better to find a balance, find a job you enjoy, stash money away, and also live the life you want. (I understand you can live off nothing and be happy, I do now, but damn i'd like to get some goats hahaha)

I hope that clears up my posts. I thought people would understand it, I should have wrote a better response.
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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2023, 09:48:22 AM »
You want something better than financial independence and improved general health and happiness??

Hell yeah!

Going hiking/biking for months/years is an interesting idea. Or joining a hard-core gym junkie scene. Those seem like potentially life-changing identity-defining interests (like Mustachianism.)

Who are your other favorite lifestyle gurus besides MMM? (Jesus? L Ron Hubbard? Greta Thunberg? ...?)

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2023, 09:50:39 AM »
Sure, you are so cheap and obsessed with saving that you never get into a hobby that would have provided you much enjoyment and happiness.

??? Trolling a bit?

I don't even know what that was supposed to be a reply to??

Not having hobbies is pretty antimustachian

"Are you into something that's even better than Mustachianism? What is it and why is it so great?"

Replying to that. Yes, some of my hobbies are foraging, gardening, planting trees, hiking, camping, rock climbing, etc. Those are all dirt cheap hobbies compared to my previous post above this one. Building a barn and having goats and other critters. 50k-100k plus utilities, insurance, property tax increase. Huge drain when at a young age.

What I'm getting at is being hardcore stashers is not necessarily the best thing. Everyone situation is different. Being a stasher is living frugal then FIRE, then living frugal in retirement. Perhaps it's better to find a balance, find a job you enjoy, stash money away, and also live the life you want. (I understand you can live off nothing and be happy, I do now, but damn i'd like to get some goats hahaha)

I hope that clears up my posts. I thought people would understand it, I should have wrote a better response.

But saving at the expense of quality of life *isn't* mustachian.

The whole point of Pete's blog has never been about spending as little as possible, he's unbelievably clear about that. It's about using frugality to find your best quality of life, not mindlessly wasting money on consumer goods that don't actually make your life better.

I mean, he states over and over and over again about how it's not about deprivation and that his life is packed with an abundance of luxury.

The point is about not being a slave to work you don't want to do for servicing debt for purchases that don't actually make you happy.

If someone is depriving themselves of their best life, they're doing mustachianism wrong and missing 99% of the point.

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2023, 09:57:26 AM »
You want something better than financial independence and improved general health and happiness??

Hell yeah!

Going hiking/biking for months/years is an interesting idea. Or joining a hard-core gym junkie scene. Those seem like potentially life-changing identity-defining interests (like Mustachianism.)

Who are your other favorite lifestyle gurus besides MMM? (Jesus? L Ron Hubbard? Greta Thunberg? ...?)

Not a fan of gurus. I don't even consider Pete a guru, just a dude who made some damn compelling critiques of consumerist culture.

If you look at it with a broader lense though, mustachianism includes all of those things you mentioned.

It's all about pursuing your best life through not wasting your time and energy on work you don't love for the sake of spending on shit that doesn't actually improve your quality of life.

As for identity defining interests, I don't really have those. I just do whatever I feel like doing and I explore everything that interests me. Last year I impulse bought a house sight unseen in a remote rural fishing village I had never been to and spent the summer working on the house and hiking along the ocean cliffs. It was fucking awesome.

If I want to do something, I figure out how to do it and do it. If I want to learn something, I learn it.

Mustachianism is all about figuring out that there's a whole big, wondrous world of awesome shit out there to do that doesn't require you to work a job you hate for 40 years.


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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2023, 10:00:21 AM »
If you are at all interested in growing things, the sustainable agriculture rabbit hole is a fun one to pop down -- and very much in alignment with core Mustachian principles.  Richard Perkins of Ridgedale Permaculture in Sweden is pulling back a bit from his Youtube channel, but it remains an amazing resource for how to farm intensively, sustainably and profitably.  He is pretty much Pete with a farm in terms of his focus on optimization in all spheres.  He also shows how much work goes into it, which has made it clear to me that I do not want/need my own homestead in my mid-50s.  But it does have me thinking about how I could trade short-term work on one for more hands on experiences with things that interest me about sustainable ag.


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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2023, 10:28:11 AM »
Mustachianism is all about figuring out that there's a whole big, wondrous world of awesome shit out there to do that doesn't require you to work a job you hate for 40 years.

That's an interesting take!

I have become more Stoic in my Mustachianism. I used to venture out into the world and do "awesome shit" a lot more in the old days. These days I'm more inward-focused, looking for simpler pleasures closer to home.

Maybe I have swung too far in that direction. Having a second home that's a renovation object in a far-away location sounds like a typical "negative visualization" exercise for me, to feel grateful for not being in that situation! (But I have been there and done that, too, and I enjoyed it at the time.)

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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2023, 02:16:30 PM »
Mustachianism is all about figuring out that there's a whole big, wondrous world of awesome shit out there to do that doesn't require you to work a job you hate for 40 years.

That's an interesting take!

I have become more Stoic in my Mustachianism. I used to venture out into the world and do "awesome shit" a lot more in the old days. These days I'm more inward-focused, looking for simpler pleasures closer to home.

Maybe I have swung too far in that direction. Having a second home that's a renovation object in a far-away location sounds like a typical "negative visualization" exercise for me, to feel grateful for not being in that situation! (But I have been there and done that, too, and I enjoyed it at the time.)

Seeing the world as full of possibilities though is completely compatible with stoicism, it just depends on how you look at it.

The reason I bought the other home was because it's out in the middle of nowhere and I ultimately wanted to spend a lot more time out in nature in a quiet place where I have a lot less access to anything consumerist or conventionally luxurious.

But all of this is just *my* shit that works for me to be my happiest and healthiest self.

Stoicism is what you make of it. You get to decide how you use it as a tool for your own goals. If you're optimally happy and healthy, then cool. If you aren't, then maybe consider modifying how you use that tool.

If you aren't living your best life, then why aren't you?

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2023, 11:43:24 PM »
For myself I'm of the hardcore minimalist environmental Luddite low cost lifestyle cult of dirt baggers who ride bikes and camp. You should join us. We have (vegan) cookies!

Tell me more!

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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2023, 12:03:53 AM »
I ultimately wanted to spend a lot more time out in nature in a quiet place where I have a lot less access to anything consumerist or conventionally luxurious.

That's a great sentiment.

I have a related dream of buying a patch of nearby forest and building bushcraft shelters there over a period of years. That could be an awesome project together with my kids while they grow up.

Even just having that as a shared vision of the future might make our regular day-camping outings more stimulating. "Maybe we will live in this patch of forest one day, what do you think?"

I'll put "become a naturalist woodsman" on the list of ideas.

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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2023, 12:48:21 AM »
If you aren't living your best life, then why aren't you?

I feel like I'm playing Tetris. Life moves forward, spaces regularly open up for new ideas, but it's not always obvious what will really fit in, or what might be missing.

In my 30s it was easy to live my best life. Just dive into a new project head first, work like mad for a couple of years, take a long break traveling etc, then repeat. It was great.

In my 40s now I'm living a much better life but it's also more intricate. Just started a company to do exciting work but no idea what I'd do with any profits. Kids happy in primary school and going to live with us for about ten more years that I want to make the most of. Awesome dog who's ten years old but in great shape and keen to put miles on his oedometer while he can. Lots of extended family spread all around the world who I don't see much. Great relationships with DW, parents, siblings who are all happy and healthy (touch wood.) Recently getting into much better shape with diet and exercise/sport.

This is a great life, but is it my best life? I don't know how to answer that question. It depends what else is out there and how it composes with all that stuff. Same way if I'd never heard of Mustachianism I wouldn't be able to imagine the life that I live now.

So what else is out there? Mindfulness? Martial arts? Jesus? Veganism? Radical sustainability? Charity? Competitive athletics? Hallucinogen-assisted meditation? Getting to know my parents outside our traditional parent-child relationship? Getting more serious about tutoring my kids? Going on week-long hikes with my dog? Get deeply into cleaning and decorating? Finding a new country we could live in (DW would be thrilled) and learning about the culture and making that happen? Setting a financial goal and working towards it e.g. earning $100K to buy a piece of forest? Have another kid? Become a foster parent? Get another dog? Reconnect with long-lost childhood friends and introduce our kids?

I guess the subtext here is that as my kids grow up I'm finding time and energy for my own projects starting to return and I'm wondering what to do with it beyond just taking up yet-another hobby.
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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2023, 01:25:47 AM »
The other creator I follow who could be described as a "lifestyle guru" is Tim Ferriss, and I actually found MMM through him. They're pretty reasonably aligned, though Tim Ferriss only came to the "extreme wealth and consumption is not that important" conclusion by becoming extremely wealthy, so there's a bit of a difference in attitude towards money, and TF starts more from the premise that his audience is mostly already wealthy. But he certainly has similar core values of health and happiness, stoicism, etc.. to MMM.

Personally, I think meditation is a pretty good thing for anyone to add to their life, and it can be a pretty big source of community and meaning if you join a group and go on retreats and such. I can't personally vouch for psychedelics as I haven't gone there yet, but it's certainly a niche I intend to explore when the right time arises, given the life-changing and deeply meaningful experiences I've heard described anecdotally, as well as the current state of the research on a multitude of positive mental health effects.

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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2023, 05:23:45 AM »
I'm more ERE (early retirement extreme) then many here so you may find your next cult amongst that crowd.

This actually really strikes a chord: getting into ERE.

Early in my Mustachian journey I really enjoyed the message that my life is a volcanic eruption of consumerist waste, that my hair is on fire, that I'm earning facepunches left and right. This tough love really motivated to work on my badassity. I loved milestones like feeling more satisfaction from not buying things.

That's really faded though, maybe with the demographics of this forum. I still think it's true that my lifestyle is sinfully wasteful but I'm mostly seeing people with more money than me lusting after stuff that I can't even imagine buying. And I consider myself to be on a luxurious fat-FIRE.

(This might be an own-goal in that I'm subscribed to the "What's the most ridiculous thing you are lusting after?" thread, and don't know how to unsubscribe, so every week there's another $5000+ bicycle. Is it possible somewhere to revise which threads to follow?)

Anyway: what's a good way to tap into the ERE subculture, face my consumerist sins anew, and get back to work on my badassity?
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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2023, 06:07:07 AM »
So what else is out there? Mindfulness? Martial arts? Jesus? Veganism? Radical sustainability? Charity? Competitive athletics? Hallucinogen-assisted meditation? Getting to know my parents outside our traditional parent-child relationship? Getting more serious about tutoring my kids? Going on week-long hikes with my dog? Get deeply into cleaning and decorating? Finding a new country we could live in (DW would be thrilled) and learning about the culture and making that happen? Setting a financial goal and working towards it e.g. earning $100K to buy a piece of forest? Have another kid? Become a foster parent? Get another dog? Reconnect with long-lost childhood friends and introduce our kids?

I guess the subtext here is that as my kids grow up I'm finding time and energy for my own projects starting to return and I'm wondering what to do with it beyond just taking up yet-another hobby.

I certainly can't speak to all of these, but I can speak to some. 

The first thing you mentioned (mindfulness) is the one that, for me, has paid the biggest dividends.  I've had a daily meditation practice for ~10 years, and nothing has had a bigger impact on my mental health (and thus the quality of my relationships) than that, with the possible exception of getting sober (which, for me, was a necessary precursor).  Prior to the last 10 years, I was an on-again-off-again meditator and, for me, that had basically no benefit.  Daily practice is the key.  For me, having the structure and accountability of a local sangha with a good teacher was also extremely helpful.  We've since moved, but I still practice with them regularly.  I've also found some good online groups (as we don't have a local one).  In addition to daily practice, I find a lot of benefit in retreats (I'm starting a 4-day retreat later today, in fact).  I used to think the "peak" experiences that I would have on retreat were the point, but now I feel that they are very much secondary.  The insights can be useful, but the main benefit I find is that retreats recharge my daily practice.  And, per the topic at hand, one of the main thoughts / feelings that meditation has helped me to see differently is a pervasive feeling that the present moment isn't quite enough, that something is missing, or that that something better is just around the corner (at which point I'll be happy).

Personally, I do not believe in hallucinogen-assisted meditation.  I've done hallucinogens and they do simulate some of the feelings you can get from meditation but 1) it's just a simulation and 2) those peak experiences aren't the point of meditation.  There's no shortcut for the daily practice of over and over again noticing where your attention is and placing it where you want it to be.  Hallucinogens don't help with that.  I understand the appeal, though -- it would be great if there were a pill.  And I also understand why some folks believe it works.  Some meditation experiences feel a lot like hallucinogenic experiences.  In my experience, though, despite the feeling of insight, interconnectedness, heightened sensory experiences, etc. that came from LSD and mushrooms, I didn't gain any actual insight or benefits.

We've toyed with homeschooling, but our daughter is an only, so, thus far, we've found the social benefits of school to outweigh anything else.  Plus, she's doing French immersion and likes school (grade 2).  If she stops liking it, though, we could re-evaluate.  I'd say world school might be in the cards for us.

Week-long hikes are great.

For me, veganism and radical sustainability are both great and feel ethically correct, BUT neither were good for my mental health.  I tend towards extremes, but I feel better in moderation.  Plus, both (for me) can be cudgels for perfectionism and judging others.  So now I'm vegetarian and "pretty" sustainable. :)

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2023, 06:13:00 AM »
You could hike the Appalachian Trail--- Georgia to Maine, takes about 6 months.  People I've talked to that have done it say it changes your perspective of the world.  Since OP is post-fired, there's lots of time and no job to worry about coming back to.

Hiking the AT was definitely a revolutionary perspective shift for me... It went hand in hand with FIRE, mmm, ERE. I did it at the beginning of my career which made the working years harder I think. I'm not sure the perspective shift was positive overall, you spend so much time in nature, the human world looks ugly when you come back. But ultimately I need to live in the human world.

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2023, 07:04:48 AM »
You could hike the Appalachian Trail--- Georgia to Maine, takes about 6 months.  People I've talked to that have done it say it changes your perspective of the world.  Since OP is post-fired, there's lots of time and no job to worry about coming back to.

Hiking the AT was definitely a revolutionary perspective shift for me... It went hand in hand with FIRE, mmm, ERE. I did it at the beginning of my career which made the working years harder I think. I'm not sure the perspective shift was positive overall, you spend so much time in nature, the human world looks ugly when you come back. But ultimately I need to live in the human world.

Yes, that about sums up most experiences I hear.  I'm not sure how many of those people ended up on the FIRE path afterward though.  Maybe I should be posting MMM propaganda in the shelters...

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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2023, 08:12:34 AM »
If you aren't living your best life, then why aren't you?

I feel like I'm playing Tetris. Life moves forward, spaces regularly open up for new ideas, but it's not always obvious what will really fit in, or what might be missing.

In my 30s it was easy to live my best life. Just dive into a new project head first, work like mad for a couple of years, take a long break traveling etc, then repeat. It was great.

In my 40s now I'm living a much better life but it's also more intricate. Just started a company to do exciting work but no idea what I'd do with any profits. Kids happy in primary school and going to live with us for about ten more years that I want to make the most of. Awesome dog who's ten years old but in great shape and keen to put miles on his oedometer while he can. Lots of extended family spread all around the world who I don't see much. Great relationships with DW, parents, siblings who are all happy and healthy (touch wood.) Recently getting into much better shape with diet and exercise/sport.

This is a great life, but is it my best life? I don't know how to answer that question. It depends what else is out there and how it composes with all that stuff. Same way if I'd never heard of Mustachianism I wouldn't be able to imagine the life that I live now.

So what else is out there? Mindfulness? Martial arts? Jesus? Veganism? Radical sustainability? Charity? Competitive athletics? Hallucinogen-assisted meditation? Getting to know my parents outside our traditional parent-child relationship? Getting more serious about tutoring my kids? Going on week-long hikes with my dog? Get deeply into cleaning and decorating? Finding a new country we could live in (DW would be thrilled) and learning about the culture and making that happen? Setting a financial goal and working towards it e.g. earning $100K to buy a piece of forest? Have another kid? Become a foster parent? Get another dog? Reconnect with long-lost childhood friends and introduce our kids?

I guess the subtext here is that as my kids grow up I'm finding time and energy for my own projects starting to return and I'm wondering what to do with it beyond just taking up yet-another hobby.

Yep, those are the big existential questions of life.

It's a process figuring out what works for you and what doesn't.

But don't go looking for gurus, you don't need to do what anyone else tells you is a good idea. Explore ideas, see what clicks with you, but know that your happiness is a 100% personal thing.

The more you get in touch with your own personal needs in life, the more obvious it becomes what to do.

That takes trial and error, and exposing yourself to the ideas of others is a great thing to do, you can learn from what others have done and notice your emotional reaction to it.

I think you're getting distracted by me giving you one particular example. But that example wasn't meant to be a "you should do something like this." The example was to show how I decisively modify my life however I need to in order to add overall health and happiness.

No one can tell you what that means for you except you. And yes, it's a never ending process of learning and exploring and trying and sometimes failing. And no gurus can figure it out for you.

I actually live by very simple guiding principles and I assess everything against them. I have basic quality of life metrics: health, happiness, relationships, etc, and I'm open to literally anything in life if it will improve all of those metrics.

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2023, 11:40:56 AM »
I'm not sure how many of those people ended up on the FIRE path afterward though.  Maybe I should be posting MMM propaganda in the shelters...

I have met people on cycling routes who just started riding and didn't stop, just bouncing back and forth between Europe and China for years on end, biking a hundred or so kilometers per day. They were living on the rental income from their primary residence back home and not even touching their stashes.

I could imagine being attracted to that life, I certainly got into a comfortable groove on my shorter trips, but while I'm raising kids I'm looking for interests that can balance with other responsibilities.

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2023, 01:48:36 PM »
I do a reverse of hedonistic adaptation (spartanistic adaption?) in that I give up something that is a normal part of my life and do without it.

Thanks for that great idea.

I didn't think of it in these terms but I did something similar recently. I decided to start thinking of food like fuel for a car. Forget about the taste: just eat three meals per day that are 500 calories, about $2 of ingredients, quick and easy and energy-efficient to prep. For example, oatmeal with cinnamon for breakfast, boiled eggs with salt for lunch, ready-made pea and pork soup for dinner. Just eat the same thing every day. No sugar and no snacks, except for banana with peanut butter during the transition period.

If it started to feel boring I'd also do some spartanistic adaptation: eat the pea soup cold one day per month and then hooboy does it taste amazing warm the next time.

I did this for the better part of a year. Lost my 15kg of unwanted fat and reset my relationship with food. Hugely successful undertaking. And no problem for DW because she is pretty extreme too and has already been eating her own special meals for quite some time (though she spends more time on prep, uses fresh ingredients, puts more effort into taste than I do.)

I'm now letting my hair down. I add back some taste, for example with hot sauces that contain negligible calories, and at the moment I'm even experimenting with eating five meals per day because I have taken up weight lifting and I feel confident that if I gain some fat back I now have the tools to lose it again quickly.

I had thought of these dietary experiments as a one-off but now I will try thinking of it as one of many possible approaches to spartanic adaptation: finding something in my life that I don't need, like non-nutritious/non-economical/high-prep meals and snacks, and just seeing what it's like to cut it out.
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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2023, 01:13:52 AM »
Thanks for the ideas everybody.

My conclusion is that, starting today, I'm done with Mustachianism.

I had a great ten-year journey from hair-on-FIRE to precarious-lean-FIRE to stable-fat-FIRE. I'm a different person than I was at the beginning and Mustachianism is the best idea that I've stumbled on in my adult life.

But now I have taken and internalized the big ideas and it's time to make room for something new. So today is my first day as a former-Mustachian-looking-for-the-next-big-iconoclastic-thing. Wish me luck!

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Re: What's better than Mustachianism?
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2023, 06:22:40 AM »
Thanks for the ideas everybody.

My conclusion is that, starting today, I'm done with Mustachianism.

I had a great ten-year journey from hair-on-FIRE to precarious-lean-FIRE to stable-fat-FIRE. I'm a different person than I was at the beginning and Mustachianism is the best idea that I've stumbled on in my adult life.

But now I have taken and internalized the big ideas and it's time to make room for something new. So today is my first day as a former-Mustachian-looking-for-the-next-big-iconoclastic-thing. Wish me luck!

This makes no sense to me.

As several of us have explained, mustachianism is just about finding your best life through *not* wasting your money on consumerist crap that doesn't make your life any better.

If you're not a mustachian, that means you are embracing the culture of pointless consumerism and spending and obligations yourself to be a slave to employment to serve your voracious consumerist spending behaviours.

I mean, do whatever you want, but if you think this whole community is just about saving money, you've missed a whole lot of what we're about.

But good luck finding your next thing. I hope you enjoy the fuck out of whatever you choose to do.