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Tell me about Albuquerque, please!
« on: December 07, 2023, 12:57:44 PM »
What can you tell me about Albuquerque (besides that the damn name is so hard to type for some reason)?  Is it a place I want to live?  I tend to prefer dense, walkable, but not-urban areas--Main Street USA.  But I'm open to the 'burbs as well, I guess, though that's a sacrifice (one we are currently making).  Housing prices like very good compared to what I'm used to.  But when I talk to anyone who lived or has recently lived there, the word "crime" always pops up in the first sentence or two, in ways that it does not with other cities.  I'd like to think I'm not a pearl-clutching Karen who only feels safe behind gilded  [and very white] walls.  Our last home was in a place that was very diverse and more than one person said they'd never live there due to crime, seeing unhoused people, etc.  It was 100% fine for me.  So I'm not a delicate flower, but ABQ has me nervous.  Is crime truly worse there than many/most ares in the US?  And is that like car break ins, or home invasions, which are vastly different concerns? 

The fact that this company (see below) has said they pay people the [high COL city]-salary for an ABQ job to get people to be willing to move there didn't make me feel better.  If they have to inflate people to get them there, maybe it's not a place I want to be.  Any feedback?  I'm told the NE is the sector to be in.  That looks highly suburban.  Are there any walkable areas, preferable with charm, small businesses, etc.? 


DH is still way early in the job search as his earliest possible start date is next summer.  But he has a company very actively talking to him, and their latest email hints at them probably being close to making in offer.  This is good, but kinda not ideal as well.  Without going to the open market, it's tough for him to know what's out there, what he's worth, etc. The job they've been talking to him about is in line with what he wants as far as the role. We are trying to decide what $# and other terms it would take to get him to go for the bird in the hand (IF/when it comes; we definitely aren't counting on it happening, despite 3 phone calls, and asking to schedule a 4th).  And some of that depends on how much of a sacrifice it would be to live in ABQ.

Albuquerquenos, tell me all about your fair  [or unfair?] city.

@Michael in ABQ, or anyone else...


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Re: Tell me about Albuquerque, please!
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2023, 02:18:02 PM »
I believe @meadow lark used to live in ABQ -- bat signaling her in case she can provide input.

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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2023, 02:37:23 PM »
I was just there on my USA Rail pass trip, stayed at someone’s home and saw lovely old suburban sections only 10 minutes from downtown as well as the old town. I think it’s fine, but I have always lived in an area known for car theft and muggings (but not home invasions). A few years ago when I was there I biked all over the place as they have a lot of bike “highways” separate from cars, but that time I was staying in a hotel near the highway and it was a food desert. It’s a really sprawled out town AFAIK.

Frankly, having just traveled the entire US and spent time in all the major cities, “high crime” is possibly a euphemism for you know what.

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2023, 03:01:20 PM »
I was just there on my USA Rail pass trip, stayed at someone’s home and saw lovely old suburban sections only 10 minutes from downtown as well as the old town. I think it’s fine, but I have always lived in an area known for car theft and muggings (but not home invasions). A few years ago when I was there I biked all over the place as they have a lot of bike “highways” separate from cars, but that time I was staying in a hotel near the highway and it was a food desert. It’s a really sprawled out town AFAIK.

Frankly, having just traveled the entire US and spent time in all the major cities, “high crime” is possibly a euphemism for you know what.

That is part of what I wondered, and why I mentioned hiding behind white walls.  The people I've spoken to who hav recent experiences there aren't people I know well, so I can't really gauge what "high crime" might mean to them, versus what it means to me.  But I see stats like "double the national rate of violent crime" and think there may be something to it.  Like, if my car is going to be broken into, I'm not thrilled, but okay.  But I'm less indifferent about being murdered. 

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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2023, 08:27:16 PM »
We moved to ABQ (which is how you spell it if you’re lazy) about 2.5 years ago and truly love it. We live near downtown and Old Town, not too far from the Rio Grande, which has a great bike path and fantastic walking/running trails. We moved from Memphis, which has a hefty crime rate of its own. Our experience is that ABQ is lower in crime than Memphis, but it depends on where you live.

Abq is reasonably diverse, though it’s not like living in New York, of course. Culturally it’s really an amazing place to be, particularly if you love dance or art. It has beautiful trails and wonderful parks and a fitness culture. And it has a burgeoning movie business that sometimes rents out houses or parts of houses, which is a nice source of unpredictable income. We’ve rented out our driveway twice for a few hundred dollars each time and all we had to do was keep our car in the garage and not pester the cast and crew. Restaurants are great, though you will have to get used to the idea that green chile is everpresent. (Seriously, NM? Green chile donuts? Who does that?) We are vegan and it’s a great place to eat vegan.

Downsides: It’s a really poor state, which means that there are a lot of truly poor people here. We set aside a bit of money for charity because we know we have more than others. ABQ apparently runs on mañana time, which means that sometimes people who are promising to work on your house are delayed, sometimes by weeks. If you are a type A person who has to have things NOW, that is totally going to drive you crazy. We’re ok not stressing. Truth is, we enjoy the quieter, more laid back temperament. It’s hard to get doctors appointments quickly. Though the medical professionals we’ve seen here have been top-notch. The summers are hot, but it’s a dry heat.

Not necessarily a downside, but something to consider is that ABQ is fairly small as cities go. From my house I can get just about anywhere in ABQ in about 20 minutes or less. But it generally has almost everything I look for in a good city.

Overall, we feel safer and happier here than in Memphis and would absolutely rather live here rather than Denver. People are super nice here. It’s a wonderful place to be. Is there crime? Yes. Obviously it isn’t a dealbreaker for us.

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2023, 08:27:56 PM »
I lived in ABQ from 2004-2017.  I liked it a lot. I would be fine living there again.

The bad:
Housing prices have really gone up.

 High property crime.  We always had medium to large dogs and never had a problem while we lived there.  However, twice we had houses for sale be broken into and washer, dryer, refrigerator, stove stolen.  Once we had a rental stay empty for a few weeks and someone stole the swamp cooler (similar to an A/C) off the roof.

High car theft.  I-25 is a straight 4.5 hr shot to Mexico.  Trucks are especially in demand.

High alcoholism and drug use.  Gangs.

NM is a very poor state in general. 

Desert climate.  I had terrible allergies bc I am allergic to pollen.

The good:
Vibrant, interesting cultures.  The least racist place I’ve ever lived and I’ve lived a lot of places.  I also have a very ethnically diverse family and have asked them about their experiences. Main cultures/ethnicities are Anglos (anyone who is white), Hispanic (the preferred term in NM), and Indian.  Small populations of foreign born people (lots of scientists) and African Americans.

Politically pretty moderate purple state.  Not hard to find educated and interesting people.  High quality healthcare.  UNM is a good school.

Culturally can be very family oriented which can make it hard to make close friendships when you move there.

ABQ is a pretty suburban feeling city.  Very spread out.  The densest parts are around UNM or the downtown near Lomas St or Central Ave.  I owned houses near Central on 5th St, 8th St, and 12th St and liked that area a lot. I could hear the lions roar at the zoo from my houses and I loved that.  There is also a nice Botanical Garden.

I loved the East Mts.  Check out Cedar Crest, Sandia Park and Tijeras.  It’s more rural and more green and about 10 degrees colder.  The commute to ABQ takes about the same amount of time as driving in ABQ bc the traffic moves fast on the freeway.

The vibe is the Western sensibility of ‘as long as you’re not my family I don’t care what you do, you don’t care what I do.’  Very live and let live.

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2023, 08:32:40 PM »
Ooh @Metta, I just saw your post.  I agree with everything you said.  By your description I bet we were in the same part of town.

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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2023, 08:33:18 PM »
We've lived here 15 years. The only crime we've personally experienced was someone tried to get into our van when it was parked at a trailhead while I took one of my kids for a hike. They messed up the lock cylinder a bit but didn't get in. There was a car seat and some loose change inside our 10-year-old minivan so not exactly a high-value target. We also had a red wagon disappear from our front yard. That's about it. A couple years ago the auto theft rate was #1 in the nation, it's still in the top 10.

The city is divided into quadrants. The NE and NW are nicer than the SE and SW. In general the further north you get, the more expensive housing is and the lower the crime rate. Likewise the further east you get as you get up into the foothills of the Sandia Mountains and it's very nice. The further west is more suburban and borders the desert - this is also the only path of growth as you have mountain to the east and Indian Pueblos (reservations) forming the northern and southern boundaries (along with Kirtland AFB). This area on the west side is where we've lived the whole time we've been here and it's nice but virtually all the jobs are on the east side of the city and with only a handful of bridges they become choke points during rush hour. Granted, taking 35-45 minutes to drive most of the way across the city may not seem like much of a rush hour depending on where you're coming from. Most homes on the east side of the city were built anywhere from the 1950s to 1980s so tend to be smaller (we have 6 kids so a 3 bedroom house would feel very cramped). The west side was mostly built since the 1990s so it's a lot more new construction and typical suburbs that are very car-centric without a lot of jobs or retail outside the main north-south road - Coors Blvd. The east side is a grid pattern with large shopping centers scattered throughout at all major intersections.

There are some fairly dense walkable neighborhoods near downtown - if you watched Breaking Bad the nice house that Jesse Pinkman lives in is in that area. Tree-lined streets, etc. Relatively expensive but far enough from the downtown core that they're not overrun with homeless.

Ever since COVID the homeless population that used to be concentrated mostly in the downtown core and along Central Ave (main bus route) has increased 2-3x and spread out and is now endemic along Central Avenue, I-40 (main east-west freeway) and throughout the Warzone (aka the International District).

I've taken a map of Albuquerque and drawn in the major areas and my opinion of them.

The green areas are generally good with relatively low crime.
The purple areas - the North Valley and Corrales - are outside the city limits and almost semi-rural - especially Corrales. You might have a $1M home on a couple of acres next to a 70-year-old 800 SF home or a trailer. The North Valley is a bit more mixed with the further north the nicer and more expensive. Corrales is much more expensive on average.
Blue are the two main urban areas. The area around downtown (the west side of Downtown) is nicer and includes the Albuquerque Country Club, Zoo, Botanical Garden and sounds like where @Metta lives.
Red areas - stay away. The International District is the name the city gave to the Warzone about a decade ago. It's still the Warzone. Very high crime, mostly rental properties (lots of 4-plexes, etc.), poor, lots of homeless, etc. My brother-in-law used to live there as it was close to the Base where he worked. He could ride his bike to work but he had drug dealers walking past his house, homeless squatting in the alley behind his house, and heard gun shots at least a few times per month. He moved out to the east Mountains and is much happier now. The southwest mesa is also newer and suburban but not as nicer as the part of the west side north of I-40. A lot higher crime, more gangs, etc. The South Valley is an older semi-rural area that is mostly Hispanic (most signs will be in Spanish) and also has a lot of crime.
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2023, 08:34:48 PM »

The good:
Vibrant, interesting cultures.  The least racist place I’ve ever lived and I’ve lived a lot of places.  I also have a very ethnically diverse family and have asked them about their experiences. Main cultures/ethnicities are Anglos (anyone who is white), Hispanic (the preferred term in NM), and Indian.  Small populations of foreign born people (lots of scientists) and African Americans.

I just want to add to this. ABQ is the least anti-Semitic place I’ve ever lived. It really is very live and let live. Other than New York and Los Angeles, I’ve never felt safer being Jewish.

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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2023, 10:26:49 PM »
Is this another one of those "I'm thinking about retiring and moving to some place I've never been" stories?  You really need to visit and spend time there to figure it out for yourself. We find it pretty bleak compared to Santa Fe or Taos, but obviously many people love it.

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2023, 06:03:12 AM »
Is this another one of those "I'm thinking about retiring and moving to some place I've never been" stories?

If you read the post, you’d see it was a “my husband might get a job in ABQ and we want to know whether to take it” stories.

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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2023, 07:43:06 AM »
We lived there for a few years, and I couldn't wait to leave, but there were a lot of personal/emotional things wrapped up in that, so apply a big grain of salt. 

Crime:  property crime, poverty-crime, euphemism-crime. 

Diversity:  very largely split between white and brown.  Population numbers are nice and diverse; my experience, though, is that the different races lived in very different parts of town.  We were in the NE, and it was VERY white.  Agree with Metta that felt very comfortable being there as part of a Jewish family.

Climate:  unless you've lived somewhere like Arizona, it's hard to understand how strong the sun is.  My vampire blood basically meant being inside from like 12-4 for several months of the year -- not even so much from the heat as just that giant blazing ball of hell in the sky.  OTOH, it will drop 30 degrees as soon as the sun starts to go down, so there is always relief from the heat of the day.  I actually prefer the climate to MD, even with the sun, because summer here is just intolerable 24/7.  Also, I'm from the NE and am used to green and trees.  It is very, very beige there, from the desert to the housing.  OTOH, the mountains and views are freaking spectacular -- the more you go E and N, the better the views are.

Housing:  much more affordable if you're willing to look beyond the country-club/fancy HOA neighborhoods (in fact, many things are very affordable, not just housing).  I've always liked the N Valley for the very kind of diversity of housing/lack of zoning Michael talks about.  I would not consider the vast majority of the town "walkable," though.  It's very easy to navigate with quadrants and such, but it is by and large a car-based city.  There are some more walkable areas nearer downtown, though -- it's just then you deal with euphemism-crime.  My first-ring suburb up here in the mid-Atlantic is far more walkable.  The flip side of affordability, of course, is poverty.

Culturally it will be like nowhere you've ever been, which IMO is a good reason to go.  I personally adore Taos, and so being 2:15 away is a huge plus for us (we go back every year).  Also, green chile is the bomb, and the Balloon Fiesta is not to be missed (and much easier if you already live there!).  The dry climate means that you can be outdoors basically year-round, as long as you're prepared for the sun and the temperature shifts.  Also the zoo/aquarium were great when our DD was small -- you could get a season pass for like $55 (I'm sure it's more now).  Both are small, but that was great with a toddler, because we could just go visit somewhere for an hour or two and not feel like we had to stay forever to get our money's worth.  It is a very family-oriented town, and my impression was that kids are valued there and not treated like they're in the way/being annoying/etc. (which, of course, can be a feature or a bug, depending on which side of the fence you're on!). 

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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2023, 10:24:54 AM »
Is this another one of those "I'm thinking about retiring and moving to some place I've never been" stories?

If you read the post, you’d see it was a “my husband might get a job in ABQ and we want to know whether to take it” stories.
I selfishly hope we have enough of these types of posts (regardless of the reason being asked) that every metro area with 500k+ people can be covered by Mustachian opinion and experience and then they could have their own section for organization.  At least for the US and Canada.  I always find something valuable on these as a lurker just for earmarking future travel.

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2023, 10:37:27 AM »
Is this another one of those "I'm thinking about retiring and moving to some place I've never been" stories?

If you read the post, you’d see it was a “my husband might get a job in ABQ and we want to know whether to take it” stories.
I selfishly hope we have enough of these types of posts (regardless of the reason being asked) that every metro area with 500k+ people can be covered by Mustachian opinion and experience and then they could have their own section for organization.  At least for the US and Canada.  I always find something valuable on these as a lurker just for earmarking future travel.

Well, you're in luck!  There's a sticky at the top of the Ask a Mustachian section about exactly that---- https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/mustachian-relocation-guide/

edited to add-- in case my previous reply was misinterpreted, it was being directed towards Giles, who has a habit of making comments without fully reading the original post, not Villanelle.

The relocation guide is quite out of date and it would be nice for it to come alive again.
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2023, 12:26:50 PM »
Thanks for the feedback.  These generally positive reports are heartening.  I think DH and I are perhaps better equipped and able than many to make the most of many places, but we have our limits.

I spent many years in SoCal, which is realatively brown.  My parents live in Las Vegas and I've visited often, so I'm somewhat familiar with that sort of heat and climate.  Not my favorite, but I'd take that over East Coast humidity (and mosquitos) without hesitation. 

@Laura33 What is Euphemism-crime? 

Is this another one of those "I'm thinking about retiring and moving to some place I've never been" stories?  You really need to visit and spend time there to figure it out for yourself. We find it pretty bleak compared to Santa Fe or Taos, but obviously many people love it.

No, it isn't.  Per the info in the OP. 

We are also thinking about planning a trip (likely just for me, not with DH), but I don't know how much I can learn about a city by spending 3-4 days in a hotel in a random city and driving around in a rental car.  Hard to get  feel for the vibe of an entire city, even a small one, that way.

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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2023, 12:27:20 PM »
Is this another one of those "I'm thinking about retiring and moving to some place I've never been" stories?

If you read the post, you’d see it was a “my husband might get a job in ABQ and we want to know whether to take it” stories.
I selfishly hope we have enough of these types of posts (regardless of the reason being asked) that every metro area with 500k+ people can be covered by Mustachian opinion and experience and then they could have their own section for organization.  At least for the US and Canada.  I always find something valuable on these as a lurker just for earmarking future travel.

Well, you're in luck!  There's a sticky at the top of the Ask a Mustachian section about exactly that---- https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/mustachian-relocation-guide/

edited to add-- in case my previous reply was misinterpreted, it was being directed towards Giles, who has a habit of making comments without fully reading the original post, not Villanelle.

The relocation guide is quite out of date and it would be nice for it to come alive again.

That's definitely how I read it. 

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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2023, 01:29:20 PM »
I live in Santa Fe, which is about an hour north, so I can't give specific recommendations about Albuquerque like @Michael in ABQ can.

I dig the availability of open space & hiking trails and the ability to get away from people/congested areas. I also love that Santa Fe (and NM as a whole) has unique culture and heritage. I missed that a lot when I lived in Colorado.

For anecdata, a friend of mine from the Washington DC metro area moved to ABQ a few years ago and she loves it.  She finds it affordable, the people generally open to friendships & not as money/status driven, and otherwise a very liveable place.  She has been the victim of some petty crime (someone stole her lawn decorations one year!!) but nothing that has scared her off. Other people I know who have moved to NM from more populated areas find NM annoying-- things can take longer to get done, generally speaking the population is not highly formally educated, higher than average rates of drunk driving, services/goods not as available as other places. This is mainly a function of being a largely rural and poor state.

Probably the biggest drawback to living in NM is the relative dearth of medical providers.  Because of the low population density and things mentioned above, if you need a specialist for any reason it can take a long time to get an appointment. 

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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2023, 02:40:27 PM »
I grew up in Albuquerque, lived in NM all my life, and am living in Rio Rancho now. I agree with pretty much all the answers on this thread. Some things that haven't been mentioned yet are that the bus system going east-west is not bad but going north-south is much harder in my experience, so getting across town without a car can be challenging. ABQ is obsessed with improving Central instead of improving the entire bus system, for some reason that I've never been able to figure out. (Rio Rancho doesn't have any city bus service at all.) Uber and Lyft are kinda undependable depending on time of day and part of town. Libraries are good, but the west side has far fewer library locations than on the east side. Groceries are mainly Smith's (Kroger), Albertsons, and Walmart, though there are a few Whole Foods and Trader Joes.

Also, because of the elevation difference and the low humidity, cooking/baking and gardening will take some getting used to. You have to keep everything you don't want to dry out covered. And plants that do great in the east and midwest just...don't here. I can expand on what I've seen grow well here if you'd like.

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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2023, 03:07:33 PM »
I live in Santa Fe, which is about an hour north, so I can't give specific recommendations about Albuquerque like @Michael in ABQ can.

I dig the availability of open space & hiking trails and the ability to get away from people/congested areas. I also love that Santa Fe (and NM as a whole) has unique culture and heritage. I missed that a lot when I lived in Colorado.

For anecdata, a friend of mine from the Washington DC metro area moved to ABQ a few years ago and she loves it.  She finds it affordable, the people generally open to friendships & not as money/status driven, and otherwise a very liveable place.  She has been the victim of some petty crime (someone stole her lawn decorations one year!!) but nothing that has scared her off. Other people I know who have moved to NM from more populated areas find NM annoying-- things can take longer to get done, generally speaking the population is not highly formally educated, higher than average rates of drunk driving, services/goods not as available as other places. This is mainly a function of being a largely rural and poor state.

Probably the biggest drawback to living in NM is the relative dearth of medical providers.  Because of the low population density and things mentioned above, if you need a specialist for any reason it can take a long time to get an appointment.

We'd be moving from the DC area as well.  Thanks for the perspective.  Knowing that people are open to friendships is great.  I don't make friends easily and know no one there, so that part is daunting.  I've moved many times to places I don't know anyone, but I always had the military infrastructure to facilitate initial connections. 

Thanks!

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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2023, 03:09:18 PM »
I grew up in Albuquerque, lived in NM all my life, and am living in Rio Rancho now. I agree with pretty much all the answers on this thread. Some things that haven't been mentioned yet are that the bus system going east-west is not bad but going north-south is much harder in my experience, so getting across town without a car can be challenging. ABQ is obsessed with improving Central instead of improving the entire bus system, for some reason that I've never been able to figure out. (Rio Rancho doesn't have any city bus service at all.) Uber and Lyft are kinda undependable depending on time of day and part of town. Libraries are good, but the west side has far fewer library locations than on the east side. Groceries are mainly Smith's (Kroger), Albertsons, and Walmart, though there are a few Whole Foods and Trader Joes.

Also, because of the elevation difference and the low humidity, cooking/baking and gardening will take some getting used to. You have to keep everything you don't want to dry out covered. And plants that do great in the east and midwest just...don't here. I can expand on what I've seen grow well here if you'd like.

I love that you mentioned libraries, as they are important to me, and I'd likely be volunteering at my local library as long as they have a decent volunteer program. 

For now, I see no medical specialist, other than precautionary annual diagnostic (so not the normal preventative type) mammograms, but that's something to be aware of. 

I'm neither a baker or gardener.  If we have the space, I'd love to start a modest garden with things like tomatoes, spices, maybe some lettuces or other veggies, but it would be very basic.  It hadn't occurred to me that elevation would affect gardening though.  Climate yes, but not weather.  Thanks for the info.

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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2023, 05:33:52 PM »

We are also thinking about planning a trip (likely just for me, not with DH), but I don't know how much I can learn about a city by spending 3-4 days in a hotel in a random city and driving around in a rental car.  Hard to get  feel for the vibe of an entire city, even a small one, that way.

I'm happy to show you around the Old Town/Downtown area if I'm in town while you are here. We chose this area because it is walkable and because my husband can start his run straight from our front door and not have to stop running for hours.

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« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2023, 05:44:05 PM »
The elevation is no joke. I've gotten sunburns in January. The UV is just so much stronger without that extra 5,000 feet of atmosphere blocking part of it. Wood, plastic, and rubber objects just start to disintegrate after a while.

On the other hand, if the wind isn't blowing it can be 40 degrees but feel much warmer because the sun is shining on you.


300+ days of sunshine is nice. A bit of snow in the winter but it rarely lasts more than a day or two on the ground because the sun comes out and melts it right away. I grew up in the northwest so winter mean months of overcast and rain with nothing ever fully drying out.

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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2023, 06:41:29 PM »

We are also thinking about planning a trip (likely just for me, not with DH), but I don't know how much I can learn about a city by spending 3-4 days in a hotel in a random city and driving around in a rental car.  Hard to get  feel for the vibe of an entire city, even a small one, that way.

I'm happy to show you around the Old Town/Downtown area if I'm in town while you are here. We chose this area because it is walkable and because my husband can start his run straight from our front door and not have to stop running for hours.

What a generous offer! I may end up taking you up on that, especially if I end up doing a fact-finding trip. 

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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2023, 06:43:07 PM »
The elevation is no joke. I've gotten sunburns in January. The UV is just so much stronger without that extra 5,000 feet of atmosphere blocking part of it. Wood, plastic, and rubber objects just start to disintegrate after a while.

On the other hand, if the wind isn't blowing it can be 40 degrees but feel much warmer because the sun is shining on you.


300+ days of sunshine is nice. A bit of snow in the winter but it rarely lasts more than a day or two on the ground because the sun comes out and melts it right away. I grew up in the northwest so winter mean months of overcast and rain with nothing ever fully drying out.

My pastey white DH will need to get better about putting on sunscreen all the time, should this happen.  He burns quickly. 

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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2023, 09:47:30 AM »
The elevation is no joke. I've gotten sunburns in January. The UV is just so much stronger without that extra 5,000 feet of atmosphere blocking part of it. Wood, plastic, and rubber objects just start to disintegrate after a while.

On the other hand, if the wind isn't blowing it can be 40 degrees but feel much warmer because the sun is shining on you.


300+ days of sunshine is nice. A bit of snow in the winter but it rarely lasts more than a day or two on the ground because the sun comes out and melts it right away. I grew up in the northwest so winter mean months of overcast and rain with nothing ever fully drying out.

My pastey white DH will need to get better about putting on sunscreen all the time, should this happen.  He burns quickly.

Yes, even in midwinter you can get a sunburn, which seemed weird! And the altitude affects all kinds of cooking, not just baking. Potatoes and rice will take longer than you expect them to.

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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2023, 12:26:34 PM »
Not from ABQ, but if there is a good possibility your SO might take that job I would highly recommend making the scouting visit -- especially since you have an offer of someone to show you around!  Scout out potential neighborhoods you would most like to live in (personally for me that would probably be those two downtown ones already mentioned) and set up some viewings for places that are for sale and for rent.  See what businesses and other amenities are within walking distance.  Visit the library and the post office. 

You'll probably have a really nice trip even if you don't end up moving there, but if you DO end up moving you will have a much better feel for the city and what parts of it are a good fit for you, which will be a huge help when you are finally making the move.


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Re: Tell me about Albuquerque, please!
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2023, 01:59:16 PM »
We've lived here 15 years. The only crime we've personally experienced was someone tried to get into our van when it was parked at a trailhead while I took one of my kids for a hike. They messed up the lock cylinder a bit but didn't get in. There was a car seat and some loose change inside our 10-year-old minivan so not exactly a high-value target. We also had a red wagon disappear from our front yard. That's about it. A couple years ago the auto theft rate was #1 in the nation, it's still in the top 10.

The city is divided into quadrants. The NE and NW are nicer than the SE and SW. In general the further north you get, the more expensive housing is and the lower the crime rate. Likewise the further east you get as you get up into the foothills of the Sandia Mountains and it's very nice. The further west is more suburban and borders the desert - this is also the only path of growth as you have mountain to the east and Indian Pueblos (reservations) forming the northern and southern boundaries (along with Kirtland AFB). This area on the west side is where we've lived the whole time we've been here and it's nice but virtually all the jobs are on the east side of the city and with only a handful of bridges they become choke points during rush hour. Granted, taking 35-45 minutes to drive most of the way across the city may not seem like much of a rush hour depending on where you're coming from. Most homes on the east side of the city were built anywhere from the 1950s to 1980s so tend to be smaller (we have 6 kids so a 3 bedroom house would feel very cramped). The west side was mostly built since the 1990s so it's a lot more new construction and typical suburbs that are very car-centric without a lot of jobs or retail outside the main north-south road - Coors Blvd. The east side is a grid pattern with large shopping centers scattered throughout at all major intersections.

There are some fairly dense walkable neighborhoods near downtown - if you watched Breaking Bad the nice house that Jesse Pinkman lives in is in that area. Tree-lined streets, etc. Relatively expensive but far enough from the downtown core that they're not overrun with homeless.

Ever since COVID the homeless population that used to be concentrated mostly in the downtown core and along Central Ave (main bus route) has increased 2-3x and spread out and is now endemic along Central Avenue, I-40 (main east-west freeway) and throughout the Warzone (aka the International District).

I've taken a map of Albuquerque and drawn in the major areas and my opinion of them.

The green areas are generally good with relatively low crime.
The purple areas - the North Valley and Corrales - are outside the city limits and almost semi-rural - especially Corrales. You might have a $1M home on a couple of acres next to a 70-year-old 800 SF home or a trailer. The North Valley is a bit more mixed with the further north the nicer and more expensive. Corrales is much more expensive on average.
Blue are the two main urban areas. The area around downtown (the west side of Downtown) is nicer and includes the Albuquerque Country Club, Zoo, Botanical Garden and sounds like where @Metta lives.
Red areas - stay away. The International District is the name the city gave to the Warzone about a decade ago. It's still the Warzone. Very high crime, mostly rental properties (lots of 4-plexes, etc.), poor, lots of homeless, etc. My brother-in-law used to live there as it was close to the Base where he worked. He could ride his bike to work but he had drug dealers walking past his house, homeless squatting in the alley behind his house, and heard gun shots at least a few times per month. He moved out to the east Mountains and is much happier now. The southwest mesa is also newer and suburban but not as nicer as the part of the west side north of I-40. A lot higher crime, more gangs, etc. The South Valley is an older semi-rural area that is mostly Hispanic (most signs will be in Spanish) and also has a lot of crime.

I thought I posted a thank you, but I don't see it.  So, *thank you*!!  The map is super helpful.  I look at house listings almost daily, but it was hard to really understand what I was looking at.  I'd figured out that the NE, near the Sandias, was a fancy, suburban area, and the strip just west of the river seems nicer as well, with perhaps larger lots (which I don't care much about), and maybe a less cookie cutter, HOA-type feel (which I could take or leave).  To me, whose anchor points are San Diego and DC, everything seems cheap, even the areas you call expensive, but I can see that they are much more expensive than some of the others.

What's most helpful about your map is those blue areas.  That sounds like where I might want to be.  I had a send that some things I looked at were maybe not the best (so many barred windows was an indicator!), but it's nice to know that there are small areas carved out that are nicer, and exactly where those are.

Traveling is hard when I pair DH's work and our dogs, but if he gets an offer, he will likely be able to hold them off for at least a couple weeks since this is an unposted job that wouldn't start for many months.  So it's not like they likely have any other candidate they need to get back to, or even that they will be posting it any time soon. (Though they may go forward with an earlier start date if DH isn't the guy, so I'm not sure about that part.)  *IF* I'm able to travel, it would likely be without DH, and for just a few days.  So I'd need to hit the ground running, for sure.  I have some direction now.  Thanks!

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Re: Tell me about Albuquerque, please!
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2023, 09:18:10 AM »
@Laura33 What is Euphemism-crime? 

I was riffing off Fru-Gal:

Frankly, having just traveled the entire US and spent time in all the major cities, “high crime” is possibly a euphemism for you know what.

There's definitely crime, but I do suspect some of the sense of the "high crime rate" is of the pearl-clutching variety.  There are a lot of brown people there, and the Hispanic culture is highly visible.  For me, that's a feature, not a bug (coming from the greater DC area myself, I was really uncomfortable with just how white CO was).  But if you come from a place where the only brown people you see are mowing your yard, it's gonna be a change, and not everyone reacts well to that change.

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Re: Tell me about Albuquerque, please!
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2023, 02:18:17 PM »
@Laura33 What is Euphemism-crime? 

I was riffing off Fru-Gal:

Frankly, having just traveled the entire US and spent time in all the major cities, “high crime” is possibly a euphemism for you know what.

There's definitely crime, but I do suspect some of the sense of the "high crime rate" is of the pearl-clutching variety.  There are a lot of brown people there, and the Hispanic culture is highly visible.  For me, that's a feature, not a bug (coming from the greater DC area myself, I was really uncomfortable with just how white CO was).  But if you come from a place where the only brown people you see are mowing your yard, it's gonna be a change, and not everyone reacts well to that change.

Of course.  I shoulda caught that.  Sorry!  I was googling "euphimism crime" and getting nowhere.  lol 

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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2023, 09:59:08 PM »
@Laura33 What is Euphemism-crime? 

I was riffing off Fru-Gal:

Frankly, having just traveled the entire US and spent time in all the major cities, “high crime” is possibly a euphemism for you know what.

There's definitely crime, but I do suspect some of the sense of the "high crime rate" is of the pearl-clutching variety.  There are a lot of brown people there, and the Hispanic culture is highly visible.  For me, that's a feature, not a bug (coming from the greater DC area myself, I was really uncomfortable with just how white CO was).  But if you come from a place where the only brown people you see are mowing your yard, it's gonna be a change, and not everyone reacts well to that change.


Albuquerque is often in the top ten US cities for violent crimes per capita, which would have almost anyone clutching their pearls. Why is the rate so high? It is worse than Oakland, New Orleans or Chicago.

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« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2023, 09:28:41 AM »
@Laura33 What is Euphemism-crime? 

I was riffing off Fru-Gal:

Frankly, having just traveled the entire US and spent time in all the major cities, “high crime” is possibly a euphemism for you know what.

There's definitely crime, but I do suspect some of the sense of the "high crime rate" is of the pearl-clutching variety.  There are a lot of brown people there, and the Hispanic culture is highly visible.  For me, that's a feature, not a bug (coming from the greater DC area myself, I was really uncomfortable with just how white CO was).  But if you come from a place where the only brown people you see are mowing your yard, it's gonna be a change, and not everyone reacts well to that change.


Albuquerque is often in the top ten US cities for violent crimes per capita, which would have almost anyone clutching their pearls. Why is the rate so high? It is worse than Oakland, New Orleans or Chicago.

Poverty, influence of Mexican drug cartels as it's a major transshipment point for drugs coming north and then going east and west along I-40, lax enforcement of laws across the criminal justice system.

As an anecdote, there was a (former) Soldier in my National Guard unit who got into a domestic dispute with his wife and when the Albuquerque police showed up he started shooting at them with a rifle. He fired of an entire magazine in the middle of a neighborhood. The police ended up shooting him and just wounding him in the shoulder (extremely lucky on his part as most people who shoot at the police end up getting killed).

This occurred in late 2018 and it took until April 2023 for him to finally agree to a plea deal and then in August 2023 he was sentenced to 7 years in jail for 2 counts of Assault with Intent to Commit a Violent Felony on a Peace Officer (Felony 2) and 3 counts of Aggravated Assault Upon a Peace Officer (Felony 3). Most of that time he was free on bail. Part of that was due to COVID but they had over a year before COVID with multiple witnesses, body cam footage, etc. showing him shooting at the police to get him to trial and they failed to do so.

If a slam dunk case like that takes over 4 years to prosecute, what are the odds that something with less evidence or a less serious crime will actually result in a criminal being taken off the street? The answer is most everything else is catch and release - or the police just won't even show up.

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Re: Tell me about Albuquerque, please!
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2023, 10:27:20 AM »
I've read about the high violent crime rates.  I just can't tell how predictive that is of the lived experience of a random middle class, non drug-using or -selling lady.  Is this largely drug cartel members killing other members, and related crime?  If so, it feels like avoiding the areas outlined in Michael's map would bring those crime rates down to more average numbers.  Or, is it a small-ish city with a lot of crime, which means that the crime is everywhere, even it bougie suburbs and gated communities?  (Which wouldn't be my first choice, either.)  Put another way, yes, there's lots of crime, but if it is mostly contained in specific areas, then by avoiding those areas, it seems the experience would be about the same as any other moderate crime cities. 

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« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2023, 10:39:18 AM »
I recall @TheGrimSqueaker talking about Albuquerque before...
NM is an extremely high crime state, especially in Albuquerque, which can be generously described as a very backward part of a developing country. The term "shithole", I believe, is customary. There aren't enough police officers to investigate home invasions, robberies, or shootings where there are no injuries, and there's no real desire to get rid of the "bad apples". Corruption is significant but not as bad as some places, and theft is pretty much universal. Property theft is down to the point where the city is no longer #1 in the nation for car theft, but other kinds of crime are continuing to increase. It's a very violent place to live, and this year we've been averaging two murders a week in a municipal area with less than a million people. That's just the situations where there have been bodies found or reported.

But there's not much catcalling.

I think there's something about the constant threat of being murdered that deters people from intentionally starting trouble.

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« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2023, 11:19:25 AM »
I've read about the high violent crime rates.  I just can't tell how predictive that is of the lived experience of a random middle class, non drug-using or -selling lady.  Is this largely drug cartel members killing other members, and related crime?  If so, it feels like avoiding the areas outlined in Michael's map would bring those crime rates down to more average numbers.  Or, is it a small-ish city with a lot of crime, which means that the crime is everywhere, even it bougie suburbs and gated communities?  (Which wouldn't be my first choice, either.)  Put another way, yes, there's lots of crime, but if it is mostly contained in specific areas, then by avoiding those areas, it seems the experience would be about the same as any other moderate crime cities.


If you look at this map, violent crime seems to be common city-wide, but definitely worse in the central and SE areas.  Maybe some little islands of safety in the far NE and NW.


https://crimegrade.org/violent-crime-albuquerque-nm/

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Re: Tell me about Albuquerque, please!
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2023, 12:56:50 PM »
I lived in Abq from 2004-2012 and still visit almost every year. I will be visiting between Christmas and New Years this year. I have friends who live in the “international district”. Personally I find that kind rebranding without changing anything a bit ridiculous. I guess it makes some people feel better about themselves though. Almost all of the property crime I’ve experienced in 43 years on life occurred during the 12 years I lived in NM (8 years in Abq plus college an hour south of there). It was a rough adjustment, but once I got used to not trusting people I didn’t have as many problems.

Michael’s map looks about the same as I would have drawn in 2012. I’d happily move back given the right reasons/timing. I’d be aiming for a green area as close to the mountains as I could afford. I miss the bike trails and the easy access to hiking all year. Want to hike in January? Just go south a bit. Also, snowboarding with great weather for just a little driving which might sound strange from an Alaskan, but I miss the warm sun on a snowy slope… I enjoyed the altitude, though I do burn easily. I generally dislike sunscreen but I use it in NM.


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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2023, 01:45:42 PM »
I lived in Abq from 2004-2012 and still visit almost every year. I will be visiting between Christmas and New Years this year. I have friends who live in the “international district”. Personally I find that kind rebranding without changing anything a bit ridiculous. I guess it makes some people feel better about themselves though. Almost all of the property crime I’ve experienced in 43 years on life occurred during the 12 years I lived in NM (8 years in Abq plus college an hour south of there). It was a rough adjustment, but once I got used to not trusting people I didn’t have as many problems.

Michael’s map looks about the same as I would have drawn in 2012. I’d happily move back given the right reasons/timing. I’d be aiming for a green area as close to the mountains as I could afford. I miss the bike trails and the easy access to hiking all year. Want to hike in January? Just go south a bit. Also, snowboarding with great weather for just a little driving which might sound strange from an Alaskan, but I miss the warm sun on a snowy slope… I enjoyed the altitude, though I do burn easily. I generally dislike sunscreen but I use it in NM.

Thanks for the response. 

Can you elaborate a bit more on what not trusting people means, and how that translated to daily life?  Like, you just got in the habit of locking your doors and windows and cars, or you didn't walk alone at night ever including around your nrighborhood, or you carried a gun to the dog park, or...?  Just trying to get a sense for the level of vigilance, or hyper vigilance, you felt was necessary.

As an update, DH and I have been talking more.  I think we will likely wait until there's an offer, or at least until an offer seems absolutely imminant.  Since this isn't a posted job, it feels like there isn't going to be a super-tight timeline for accepting.  So it could very likely say, "I am extremely interested.  My wife and I (or just me, perhaps**) are going to fly to ABQ next weekend for a quick trip, and then we will let you know after that."

**Most likely, DH won't be able to get away from work, especially on short notice, and if he did, we have to find and deal with a dog sitter.  Unless this mystery canine respiratory illness clear up, we aren't comfortable boarding, even if it weren't crazy expensive.  So I can travel while DH stays here.  Not ideal, but hopefully a few days in ABQ will be enough to give me at least a sense of "Nope, no way" or "well, this seems okay enough."

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Re: Tell me about Albuquerque, please!
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2023, 09:28:01 PM »
Growing up in rural Alaska nothing was ever locked. We didn’t lock cars at the grocery store or restaurant and in the winter they were left running if it was cold. My father didn’t start locking his house when he left town until after I went to college. I remember being quite surprised one summer to arrive home and find the house locked. So now my absurd naivety going in should be clear… I started learning in college where I had a laptop and two bikes stolen including one that was taken from inside my dorm room over Christmas break…

In general I was never concerned about my personal safety, I just came to expect property crime to happen frequently. I mostly lived in Micheal’s green circles moving between three of them over the time I was there. Even then I learned not to leave anything outside that I wanted to keep (this is not at all the case where I live now). The first year I was in Abq my car was broken into while I was hiking overnight so I started having someone drop me off if I wanted to leave from the Abq side of the Sandias overnight or I’d just go to the far side of the mountains. My car wasn’t broken into again after that, but just about everyone I knew had a story of their car being broken into or stolen in the 8 years I lived there.

I carry a firearm frequently for bears in AK. I’ve only drawn it twice and never needed to fire it. The moose was scared off by a semi truck and the bear and I agreed to go our separate ways. I didn’t feel the need own one in NM.

In Abq I was in a Starbucks while it was robbed at gunpoint. Everyone just acted like it was a normal thing which seemed a bit strange to me.

I was helping a friend move into an apartment in the international district when her would be new neighbor decided to make his point in an argument by firing a gun a few times. I’m not sure if it was into the ground or into the air looking back. The the police showed up and pointed an assault rifle at me because I apparently looked threatening while carrying a bed frame and i didn’t set it down fast enough? Not sure what his logic was really. He never did explain himself.

I also had an officer point his side arm at me for riding a bike. Apparently a man who did not match my description in the slightest had stabbed someone and rode off on a bike. Naturally as I was on a bike I was suspect. I was handcuffed against his car and searched throughly before he admitted I didn’t look anything like his suspect. I’m really glad I had nothing to hide. As jumpy as the officer was I think he would have shot me if I’d been a few seconds slower to get off the bike.


 
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« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2023, 11:58:08 AM »
Although that does not sound pleasant or particularly promising, thanks for explaining it. 

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« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2023, 01:00:36 PM »
As I said before, I've lived here 15 years and the only crime I've personally experienced was someone trying to break into my car at a trailhead in the foothills. My in-laws live nearby in a slightly nicer neighborhood and someone broke into their car in their driveway. Since then they put a Club on the steering wheel.



Actually, I was at a bank when it was robbed about a year ago. The guy came in at the end of the day wearing a face mask and handed the teller a note. I thought something was up as the body language of the other tellers immediately changed but I was in the middle of a transaction with another teller at the other end of the counter. However, they handed him some cash and he walked out. This all happened within a minute or less.

Immediately afterwards an undercover officer came inside as they had been following this guy who had robbed 6-7 other banks with the same MO (note saying he had a gun). He was arrested later that day at home and for the whopping $25k or so he got from multiple bank robberies I think he was sentenced to 10+ years.


If you stay north of I-40, and especially north of Central Avenue (the dividing line between the NE/NW and SE/SW quadrants) I don't think the crime is much worse than any other city. Like most places, the violent crime and property crime is concentrated among the poor, drug dealers/users, etc.

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« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2023, 02:11:01 PM »
I have a bit of a hard time believing the Starbucks story, but people can be way more oblivious than you'd think, so maybe it's just one of those "something bad happened and no one even noticed" things. But robbing a Starbucks? Banks are a way better bet to get cash, and even then the prospects aren't great, as Michael's story indicates (DH works at a credit union and would concur.) I would think that bringing a gun to a Starbucks would be more likely to be a personal issue that got sprung on an unlucky employee than a robbery.

Anyway yes there is a risk of property crime in ABQ. But in my experience the likelihood is a lot less than getting in a car accident. Make of that what you will.

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« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2023, 02:14:57 PM »
How do you all feel about the more personal crimes, as opposed to property crimes.  Is it generally safe for a woman to go hiking alone on the trail system?  If I'm walking the dogs at night in my neighborhood, is that something that would give you pause?

For me, once of the draws of ABQ is the hiking and nature.  If I won't be free to enjoy that without fear and hyper vigilance, that would make a move there much less attractive. 

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« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2023, 03:27:48 PM »
How do you all feel about the more personal crimes, as opposed to property crimes.  Is it generally safe for a woman to go hiking alone on the trail system?  If I'm walking the dogs at night in my neighborhood, is that something that would give you pause?

For me, once of the draws of ABQ is the hiking and nature.  If I won't be free to enjoy that without fear and hyper vigilance, that would make a move there much less attractive.

I've always felt perfectly safe in my neighborhoods on the west side. We've lived in several different houses and an apartment complex and I've always gone for runs in the neighborhood or nearby parks or open space. Both during the day and sometimes at night. I would usually pass a lot of other people doing the same thing including many single women. Most of the west side (north of I-40) is pretty typical suburban neighborhoods with a lot of meandering streets and cul-de-sacs, not the grid pattern you see on the east side with major and minor arterial streets cutting through every half mile to mile.

I've hiked a lot of trails in the Sandias, I can't recall ever seeing a news report about someone being robbed, attacked, etc. on a trail. It seems like every year somebody has to be rescued hiking the La Luz Trail though. Several people have died - either due to exposure or falling off a cliff. For someone in good shape it takes 4-5 hours to hike the 7.5 miles from about 7,000 feet at the trailhead up to over 10,000 feet at the crest.

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« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2023, 04:27:51 PM »
I have a bit of a hard time believing the Starbucks story, but people can be way more oblivious than you'd think, so maybe it's just one of those "something bad happened and no one even noticed" things. But robbing a Starbucks? Banks are a way better bet to get cash, and even then the prospects aren't great, as Michael's story indicates (DH works at a credit union and would concur.) I would think that bringing a gun to a Starbucks would be more likely to be a personal issue that got sprung on an unlucky employee than a robbery.

Anyway yes there is a risk of property crime in ABQ. But in my experience the likelihood is a lot less than getting in a car accident. Make of that what you will.

It was definitely a robbery. It was about 8:30 at store that closed at 9 and I was having a conversation with friend when two guys came in and demanded the cash from the register. At least one of them was armed, there barista gave them the money and they left. It was maybe a minute they were inside. It was before digital payments, so there was some cash, but I doubt they got a lot. A lot of places had signs up that said "maximum of X dollars kept in register, manager does not have key to safe", and I remember thinking they probably would have gotten more from the wallets of the customers. I had at least $100 on me that night, but that would have taken time and I'm certain their model was all about speed. After they left the baristas asked everyone to stay until the cops came and offered us another drink on the house, but who really needs another coffee at closing time. APD asked each customer for a statement on what we witnessed. I was never called to testify, so I assumed they didn't get caught.

How do you all feel about the more personal crimes, as opposed to property crimes.  Is it generally safe for a woman to go hiking alone on the trail system?  If I'm walking the dogs at night in my neighborhood, is that something that would give you pause?

For me, once of the draws of ABQ is the hiking and nature.  If I won't be free to enjoy that without fear and hyper vigilance, that would make a move there much less attractive. 


I'm 6'1" and was about 210 lbs at the time so I might not be your best sample but I never felt personally in danger hiking even at night. I walked and biked frequently after dark with no issues, though I did generally avoid the red circles on Michaels map after the moving incident mentioned above.

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« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2023, 04:42:01 PM »
How do you all feel about the more personal crimes, as opposed to property crimes.  Is it generally safe for a woman to go hiking alone on the trail system?  If I'm walking the dogs at night in my neighborhood, is that something that would give you pause?

For me, once of the draws of ABQ is the hiking and nature.  If I won't be free to enjoy that without fear and hyper vigilance, that would make a move there much less attractive.

I've always felt perfectly safe in my neighborhoods on the west side. We've lived in several different houses and an apartment complex and I've always gone for runs in the neighborhood or nearby parks or open space. Both during the day and sometimes at night. I would usually pass a lot of other people doing the same thing including many single women. Most of the west side (north of I-40) is pretty typical suburban neighborhoods with a lot of meandering streets and cul-de-sacs, not the grid pattern you see on the east side with major and minor arterial streets cutting through every half mile to mile.

I've hiked a lot of trails in the Sandias, I can't recall ever seeing a news report about someone being robbed, attacked, etc. on a trail. It seems like every year somebody has to be rescued hiking the La Luz Trail though. Several people have died - either due to exposure or falling off a cliff. For someone in good shape it takes 4-5 hours to hike the 7.5 miles from about 7,000 feet at the trailhead up to over 10,000 feet at the crest.

I am a dilettant hiker, not in especially good shape, and well aware of that limitation.  My idea of a nice hike caps out at 2 hours.  I'm more of a "walk in the wild" person than a hiker, I suppose.  So there's little danger of me falling from cliffs or running out of water.  Or even getting too far beyond cell phone coverage, I'd guess. 

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« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2023, 05:17:34 PM »

I've hiked a lot of trails in the Sandias, I can't recall ever seeing a news report about someone being robbed, attacked, etc. on a trail. It seems like every year somebody has to be rescued hiking the La Luz Trail though. Several people have died - either due to exposure or falling off a cliff. For someone in good shape it takes 4-5 hours to hike the 7.5 miles from about 7,000 feet at the trailhead up to over 10,000 feet at the crest.

I was actually doing an overnight of La Luz when my car got broken into. It was my first time doing it, I was in pretty good shape at the time and was still surprised by the stairs at the end... Also by home much colder it was at the top. I was not expecting freezing temps when I left the bottom. I eventually found my way to the stone house up top and spend the night inside as if kept the wind to a minimum and my sleeping bag dry.

ETA: Feeling a little nostolgic now. Glad I will be back in a couple weeks.
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« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2023, 07:00:43 PM »
How do you all feel about the more personal crimes, as opposed to property crimes.  Is it generally safe for a woman to go hiking alone on the trail system?  If I'm walking the dogs at night in my neighborhood, is that something that would give you pause?

For me, once of the draws of ABQ is the hiking and nature.  If I won't be free to enjoy that without fear and hyper vigilance, that would make a move there much less attractive.

What sold us on the neighborhood we chose was an elderly women walking with her cane at sunset heading back from the trail where she’d walked alone. She talked to us easily and didn’t act like someone afraid. (She didn’t act like a normal Memphian.) One of my friends here runs the trails alone all the time and her big complaint about that is no one to talk to.

I think it depends on where you go in ABQ and the surrounding areas.

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« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2023, 08:58:16 AM »
How do you all feel about the more personal crimes, as opposed to property crimes.  Is it generally safe for a woman to go hiking alone on the trail system?  If I'm walking the dogs at night in my neighborhood, is that something that would give you pause?

I'd say the farther NE and the closer to the hills, the safer you probably are.  We lived up in North Albuquerque Acres (N. of Paseo del Norte, W of Tramway), and I never felt unsafe at all.  That said, that was also one of the more high-end, white areas, with 1-acre lots, and my experience was also much less recent than some of the other experiences you're hearing, so grain of salt and all of that. 

I'm currently in a 'burb of another Murder Capital USA, and like anywhere else, it's very specific-location-driven.  We never had any problem even with property crime in our neighborhood in ABQ (at least that I recall -- but then we didn't leave much of anything outside anyway), whereas here DH's shop has been broken into a couple of times, and he's lost some significant tools.  And yet almost everyone would tell you that our current neighborhood is much safer than ABQ, and I have never felt at all uncomfortable walking around at night here.  The biggest problem I had walking at night in ABQ was the lack of sidewalks on our still-dirt-at-the-time road.  ;-)

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« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2023, 10:33:01 AM »
How do you all feel about the more personal crimes, as opposed to property crimes.  Is it generally safe for a woman to go hiking alone on the trail system?  If I'm walking the dogs at night in my neighborhood, is that something that would give you pause?

For me, once of the draws of ABQ is the hiking and nature.  If I won't be free to enjoy that without fear and hyper vigilance, that would make a move there much less attractive.

I don’t think that there is a place in the US where that’s safe.

I live in a very cold and boring small city and a woman was attacked on the bike/hike trail last year.

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« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2023, 12:40:57 PM »
How do you all feel about the more personal crimes, as opposed to property crimes.  Is it generally safe for a woman to go hiking alone on the trail system?  If I'm walking the dogs at night in my neighborhood, is that something that would give you pause?

For me, once of the draws of ABQ is the hiking and nature.  If I won't be free to enjoy that without fear and hyper vigilance, that would make a move there much less attractive.

I don’t think that there is a place in the US where that’s safe.

I live in a very cold and boring small city and a woman was attacked on the bike/hike trail last year.

Statistically speaking, most of the crime in Albuquerque is either directed (from an enemy, frequently a household member), or drug or profit related.

The directed crime problem cannot be understated. If you have a person living in your house, or next door, who is a tantrum artist or who has gang or drug connections, your odds of being the victim of a crime go through the ceiling. Most burglaries here are committed by someone the victim knows. My adopted daughter, who went through a period of very low standards in her choice of companions, indirectly caused my home to be vandalized. It would have been burglarized too had I not been home that day to catch the hapless wanna-be thuglet and let the Venomous Spaz Beast frighten him out of his wits with her presa canario impression. When my daughter reached the age of legal majority and I executed Escape Plan Alpha, I no longer had problems with lowlifes.

Drug and profit related crime happens a lot, yet there has to be a target of opportunity. So you see a lot of theft, a lot of carjacking, a lot of bank robbery, and convenience store or fast food restaurant robbery is so common that they had to start completely shutting down restaurant space and going through drive-in only. It is pretty traumatic the first time it happens, or so my young pizza-chain-working colleague assures me. After a while people just stop reacting because they're used to it. Putting my vehicle in a garage at night, and driving a Mustachian car that no self-respecting thief would want to be seen in, have been effective defenses against vehicle theft and carjacking.

I have to admit that my line of work doesn't expose me to much gun violence, except one time my vehicle was shot at from a concealed position as I was driving home from the gym through a residential neighborhood nest to a school. It wasn't a very good shot but it took out a window of my vehicle and ticked me off. The police did nothing, obviously, but I never did find the shooter despite placing ads and actively hunting him/her/them for about a month.

On the trails there's less scope for crimes of opportunity because there's nothing to steal for a fast profit and no easy getaway. A lot of people carry concealed and a few even have a permit to do so. It's best to vary your route and to not be too predictable. If you have dogs, they are an outstanding crime deterrent.

I'm not a target for anti-female crime because I tend to be, well, not invisible but I tend to pass unnoticed. I'm told that my build and energy from a distance reads more "dude" than anything else, and my avoidant personality pushes other people away. So I've had no problem hiking solo, prowling around any part of Albuquerque I wish, day or night, on the trails or off. Of course I also had no trouble taking public transit in Watts at 2 AM on a weekend, so like I say: I'm not a target. This means people who do belong to the target group have more credibility than me when they speak on the subject.

Tantrum artistry is still an issue for those who drive in public, because a bullet doesn't care who it hits. There are some drug-addled boneheads who are convinced that waving a gun around and firing shots off will compensate for their lack of endowment in other areas. They haven't killed each other off yet because there's a bit of a cultural machismo thing and there's always a new generation of tantrum artists. Over-policing is an issue in the poorer neighborhoods.

The best places to live in Albuquerque are in areas where a fast getaway is hard, there's good lighting, and the neighbors have mutually agreed to come pouring out of the houses at the first sign of trouble. Some of them bring cameras; others bring something with a bit more firepower. Nobody really thinks they'll get away with seriously antisocial stupidity. In our neighborhood we've kept the cartels out along with two biker gangs. We seldom need police help or backup because the community-based anarchic approach has been working better. There are a few rare exceptions where idiocy has to be corrected, like the mad dog incident this April, but that's the exception and not the rule. Sadly, the public transit system is more than a hundred years behind the times and deteriorating by leaps and bounds. Most of the neighborhoods considered "safe" aren't connected to public transit. The newer developments tend to be very stroad-based and suburban.

The military base is also an example off a community with good standards. There are some gated communities, some neighborhoods like mine, and a few semi-rural areas where people mostly keep to themselves.

You might like the area just over the mountain. Edgewood, Sandia Park, and some of the other small towns are far more peaceful in terms of human drama although it gets snowy in the winter and there's sometimes a bear or other assertive wildlife.

Basically, before buying property here, field test it for a year or two.

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« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2023, 11:46:41 PM »
I first moved to Abq twenty years ago, met my wife here. We moved away for five years and then moved back. We live in the area south of UNM, north of the airport. It's a great, understated area, not too fancy, less than a mile to Nob Hill shops and cafes, nice parks around, a great library (Ernie Pyle!) and we bought an affordable house six years ago. I walk my daughter to school everyday. Overall, I love Abq and I feel like it gets a bad rap for sure. The culture is like nowhere else in the US. New Mexican cuisine is the envy of the the rest of the southwest.

I'm not much of a fan of the northeast quadrant. It's a sprawling mess where walking anywhere save for your neighborhood park is impossible. I lived (and owned a home) up there for six years, so I only speak from personal experience.  Also I don't think it's really that much safer than other parts of the city, save for the international district.

I've spoken to many transplants from bigger cities who describe Abq as "easy living". It's pretty true. One doctor we know moved to Vancouver, WA for a few years and came back because she missed it.   Taking your kid to the zoo or on a hike is a few-hour trip, not an all-day affair. The airport is easy (and convenient for our location, I once walked home from the airport!) and has non-stop flights all over the country. Also you are good striking distance to a lot of other scenic spots in the west. A half-day drive gets you to southern/central Colorado, Grand Canyon, Moab, Sedona and there are tons of outdoor adventures to be had all over the state, not to mention the Sandia Mountains in the city's backyard.

Like some other posters said, crime is very situational. Personally we've just had a few minor things, car window smashed (twice), bike stolen.

DM me if you want to chat about it more!