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pwniator

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Stepping up vs staying put?
« on: July 23, 2018, 02:07:32 AM »
Mustachians,

I am looking for advice about changing roles from one that requires less time with less pay to another that requires more time with higher pay.

Background: I'm a pharmacist and recently stepped down form a management position requiring about 50-60 hr/week to a 7 on 7 off (seven 10 hour shifts followed by seven days off) with a different hospital. The change came with a substantial pay decrease of about 40% (i.e. 180k to 130k). The seven days of off-time has been very valuable to me and my family, however, I have struggled with pay decrease emotionally due to it's impact on our early retirement. I had only been working in the new position for about three months when my director called, strongly encouraging me to apply for a management position at the new hospital.

The management position will convert me back to M-F 9-5+, although, it will not likely require working over 50 hr/week but still over 40 I'm sure. The pay difference has not yet been revealed to me but I imagine with will be at least a 20k increase bumping me to ~150-160k/yr.

My question: What's more important, protecting work life balance (keeping 7 on 7 off) or making a compromise to achieve early retirement faster (taking the management position)?

I know this probably a "good problem" to have but I would appreciate anyone's advice who has been in a similar situation. What choice did you make and why?

FYI: This is my first post on this forum so if I have violated any etiquette rules, I apologize in advance.


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Re: Stepping up vs staying put?
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2018, 07:20:36 AM »
What's that 20k going to be after taxes?

Edit: personally, I'd tell them I want 20k more than the 180k you were making before i.e. 200k total. Go big or stay put.
Edit2: so right now you're working 70 hours in 2 weeks and they want you to take on more responsibility and 80+ hours in 2 weeks for a paltry 20k more? No, don't do that.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2018, 07:27:59 AM by LAGuy »

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Re: Stepping up vs staying put?
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2018, 07:38:56 AM »

My question: What's more important, protecting work life balance (keeping 7 on 7 off) or making a compromise to achieve early retirement faster (taking the management position)?


I guess this depends a little bit on the balance between the following four things:

  • How quickly you want achieve FI/RE,
  • How quickly you'd reach it in your current position,
  • How much quicker you'd reach it in your new position,
  • And your anticipated current happiness decrease from the new position

MMM has, in one blog post, mentioned that in his view, there is little point in busting your arse to aim for further pay increases beyond ~$100k, because at that point, the road to retirement is so quick anyway that furthering your salary increase actually gives diminishing returns on how quickly you can achieve FI - assuming a relatively efficient lifestyle - and therefore isn't worth the additional stress/responsibility of a higher position. So this is worth considering. I know I'm doing the equivalent of quoting the bible by saying that, though, of course!

Personally, I think this is something you have to figure out for yourself. If you love your work, then a huge bump in work hours won't seem as bad as if you absolutely hate it.

Have you read MMM's 'Shockingly Simple Math-...' article? Or whatever one has the chart showing you your savings rate vs. time to reach FI? Might be worth a read if not.

But to look at this another way - if you're asking me what I'd do myself - I'd stay as I am. I would view/consider this 7 on/7 off arrangement to almost be like semi-retirement. It might take longer to reach my full FI number, but considering my work schedule already looks like someone who's half FI, I wouldn't mind too much! Hope this rambling helps.

Edit: a word. Also, LAGuy made some great points.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2018, 07:42:08 AM by MrOnyx »

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Re: Stepping up vs staying put?
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2018, 11:10:28 AM »
I would NOT trade a 7/7 schedule for a 9-5+ M-F simply to make a 15% pay raise.  No freakin’ way. 

I worked 4-10s for years and then was forced to go back to 5-8.  I almost quit my 200k job over it.

If your only motivation for doing it is the money, you should figure out a side hustle to work during your 7 off to make up the difference.

It would also be helpful to know how old you are, how much you spend, if you are married or have a SO and if you have any children.  It’s hard to make a good recommendation without all the relevant facts.

Welcome to the community!

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Re: Stepping up vs staying put?
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2018, 12:10:42 PM »
I agree with a lot of the posters. I would keep your current setup at 130k. At $130k, you are making really good money, and you get 1/2 of the year off from work. That's awesome!

the $20k increase would be much less than $20k take-home as your marginal tax bracket would come into play.

So, let's say you have access to $13 of the $20k raise. How does that impact your FIRE date? Over five years if invested at 7%, that gives you an additional $80k. 10 years is $188k. Using 4% SWR, that only gives you $250 a month more if you work for 5 more years or $625 more a month if you work for another 10 years.

It basically looks like if you have 10 years to fire, taking this job would shave off ~2 years of working. That said, a 7-7 schedule is amazing, and I think that is more than worth the additional 2 years.




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Re: Stepping up vs staying put?
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2018, 12:30:45 PM »
Look at it this way: you currently have HALF THE YEAR OFF WORK.

Is $12k after tax worth giving that up? You'll spend that much on gas and wear and tear on your car for the additional days you'll be commuting if you take the position.

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Re: Stepping up vs staying put?
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2018, 10:42:57 PM »
Those X days on / X days off schedules are frickin awesome.  A) way more efficient use of your holidays - on a 5 on / 2 off if  I take 5 days off I get 9 days.  If you take 7 days off you get 21 days off in a row!   B) no fighting weekend crowds for anything.  C) like someone said, lots of time to pick up a side hustle or just enjoy life.

The $20K raise is peanut considering you’re already at $130K. 

I think you’d really, really regret taking it.

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Re: Stepping up vs staying put?
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2018, 11:40:35 PM »
Hey!

I recommend you stay with the 7 on / 7 off. So much free time for activities, family and things you value. You'd miss having that mental decompression time.

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Re: Stepping up vs staying put?
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2018, 05:28:57 PM »
Thanks to everyone for you advice and support. I decided to DECLINE the position and stay 7 on 7 off. The offer ended up being pretty weak...a 15% pay increase with NO other perks. My per hour wage didn't even increase after adjusting for the extra time I would be working if I took the 9-5 job. Not enough of an incentive to get back on the 9-5 hamster wheel!