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Received an offer for a new job
« on: August 30, 2018, 01:16:02 PM »
I received an offer for a project manager position for an architecture and engineering firm. They had offered me $70k to start with a 90 day trial to see if it works out. MA law is an at-will employment state, so I am not too worried in that regard.

During my initial interview, I had put $85k as a suggested salary, in which they said the position would pay 'about that'.

I countered them at $75k because that would match my true market value according to glassdoor and other sites.

My current position now is a project engineering and I am at the $60k threshold. I spoke to my boss months prior for an interim evaluation since we had not received any raises or performance reviews this year.

My company doesn't pay that well, nor is there much growth (I.e. sr engineer, project manager, engineering manager, etc.) meaning I will be "project engineer" for the next 30 years, hopefully getting a raise within that time as well.

Should I still take the position dependent on their counter offer to mine? The benefits are comparable for the most part, the commute is the same, I wouldn't be expected to fly to job sites as I am now but would still be driving to job sites within NE. The new company would have the opportunity for growth/labels/advancement/and knowledge.


I also have a meeting tomorrow with a competitor to my current employer about a possibility and I was going to consider the same $75k salary to start but with commission.

Being that I've been at my role for 4 years, and I have a baby on the way with the thought of becoming a home owner... What does this community think would be a good move?

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2018, 01:59:18 PM »
$60k to $75k?

Take it, no question - that's the way to get more money.  Change jobs.

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2018, 09:03:57 PM »
Assuming the new job doesn't take you away from home for a substantial period of time with a baby on the way, I'd say you definitely want to take this.  Almost regardless of if they offer $75K or stick with $70K, how long would it take you to reach that threshold staying at your current role?  Plus how frustrated would you be knowing that you had an opportunity to set your career up for better opportunities and you didn't take advantage of it? 

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2018, 09:19:37 PM »
Assuming the new job doesn't take you away from home for a substantial period of time with a baby on the way, I'd say you definitely want to take this.  Almost regardless of if they offer $75K or stick with $70K, how long would it take you to reach that threshold staying at your current role?  Plus how frustrated would you be knowing that you had an opportunity to set your career up for better opportunities and you didn't take advantage of it?


If I leave my job now I will go three months without benefits. Other than that the insurances appear to be similar but the 401k plan is 3 points less than I get now. My friend suggests I wait to have the baby. Both my gf and my brother say I take it even at 70k.

Itll take me some time to get to 70 at my current job. I asked for an interim evaluation e as earlier and they pretty much shut me down. Even the senior guy I work with, who had been there for 3 more years than me is at around 70k

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2018, 06:44:50 AM »
Take it.

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2018, 07:26:11 AM »
Yup, would definitely take it. Well, I guess I might ask two questions—both around the baby.

Will the baby have health insurance coverage when he/she is born? Either because you'll have coverage from the new job by then, or can get it through your GF?

And what about parental leave? Do you care about taking it, does your current job offer it (paid, unpaid?), and would the new job? Most places I've worked require a year of service before they'll offer paid leave.

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2018, 07:37:47 AM »
Yup, would definitely take it. Well, I guess I might ask two questions—both around the baby.

Will the baby have health insurance coverage when he/she is born? Either because you'll have coverage from the new job by then, or can get it through your GF?

And what about parental leave? Do you care about taking it, does your current job offer it (paid, unpaid?), and would the new job? Most places I've worked require a year of service before they'll offer paid leave.

I will have health insurance from my current employers cobra plan, or venture to market place plan. I also will be getting benefits from my PT job, my gf will have her benefits as well and yes, when my plan kicks in after 90 days I will have family insurance.

Not too worried for paternity leave, my gf gets 10 weeks paid from her employer and after my 90 days I will have my 2 weeks vacation and 1 week pto available for use. Her family is close by to assist with the baby.

I am unsure if its worth it to mention that with this pay increase, she will be able to leave her job and I will be able to cover all expenses. It's just a thought we had and maybe she would find new employment that paid her better.

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2018, 07:43:44 AM »
Last year I was at a job earning 61,200. They were giving me like 5% raises/yr. Got a new job and asked for 75,000. This year, raise took me up to 84,500. That's about 38% bump within a year. So worth it to make the switch.

While interviewing they were all trying to base my salary off what I had been earning, which made it harder to negotiate.

This bump will make it easier to bargain in the future if necessary. So even if in the short-term it is not ideal, you can use the earnings to negotiate going forward and get to the next level.

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2018, 07:46:12 AM »
Seriously? You just increased your family’s income by $10-15K and the first thought that goes through both your minds is that now she can quit work, thereby immediately reducing your family’s income, and exposing your family to more risk (since if she quit you definitely can’t afford to  lose your job)? You don’t become wealthy by thinking of ways to reduce your income as soon as one of you increases income.

I’m not saying she shouldn’t quit, but I truly hope you mean that she will quit her current job only after she has another more suitable job lined up.

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2018, 08:11:28 AM »
Seriously? You just increased your family’s income by $10-15K and the first thought that goes through both your minds is that now she can quit work, thereby immediately reducing your family’s income, and exposing your family to more risk (since if she quit you definitely can’t afford to  lose your job)? You don’t become wealthy by thinking of ways to reduce your income as soon as one of you increases income.

I’m not saying she shouldn’t quit, but I truly hope you mean that she will quit her current job only after she has another more suitable job lined up.

She makes barely enough money at her job and considering the amount it will cost for daycare and the like, its almost worth it for her to look for work, as the pay increase is equal to her salary.

but yes, I don't advise it fully but she has mentioned that being able to find new work would be in her best interest. I alone will have the new salary, also PT money coming in from a sales job, and any weekend work I do installing floors.

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2018, 08:30:44 AM »
Seriously? You just increased your family’s income by $10-15K and the first thought that goes through both your minds is that now she can quit work, thereby immediately reducing your family’s income, and exposing your family to more risk (since if she quit you definitely can’t afford to  lose your job)? You don’t become wealthy by thinking of ways to reduce your income as soon as one of you increases income.

I’m not saying she shouldn’t quit, but I truly hope you mean that she will quit her current job only after she has another more suitable job lined up.

She makes barely enough money at her job and considering the amount it will cost for daycare and the like, its almost worth it for her to look for work, as the pay increase is equal to her salary.

but yes, I don't advise it fully but she has mentioned that being able to find new work would be in her best interest. I alone will have the new salary, also PT money coming in from a sales job, and any weekend work I do installing floors.

She should not be thinking about quitting her job unless she is moving directly into a new position (ie, she accepts an offer first and then puts in her notice).  Even if you were married, but especially because you are not.  Think of your pay increase as not equal to her salary, but enough to cover the day care costs.  Just leaving her job, even a low paying one, can cripple her income potential for years, if not permanently (and it will be harder for her to re-enter the workforce as an unmarried woman with a child/children).  I'll assume that you are a great partner, but statistically speaking, if the relationship ends, she is much more likely to end up in poverty by going that route.

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2018, 08:36:33 AM »
Seriously? You just increased your family’s income by $10-15K and the first thought that goes through both your minds is that now she can quit work, thereby immediately reducing your family’s income, and exposing your family to more risk (since if she quit you definitely can’t afford to  lose your job)? You don’t become wealthy by thinking of ways to reduce your income as soon as one of you increases income.

I’m not saying she shouldn’t quit, but I truly hope you mean that she will quit her current job only after she has another more suitable job lined up.

She makes barely enough money at her job and considering the amount it will cost for daycare and the like, its almost worth it for her to look for work, as the pay increase is equal to her salary.

but yes, I don't advise it fully but she has mentioned that being able to find new work would be in her best interest. I alone will have the new salary, also PT money coming in from a sales job, and any weekend work I do installing floors.

She should not be thinking about quitting her job unless she is moving directly into a new position (ie, she accepts an offer first and then puts in her notice).  Even if you were married, but especially because you are not.  Think of your pay increase as not equal to her salary, but enough to cover the day care costs.  Just leaving her job, even a low paying one, can cripple her income potential for years, if not permanently (and it will be harder for her to re-enter the workforce as an unmarried woman with a child/children).  I'll assume that you are a great partner, but statistically speaking, if the relationship ends, she is much more likely to end up in poverty by going that route.

Thanks for the advice.

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2018, 01:54:00 PM »
Seriously? You just increased your family’s income by $10-15K and the first thought that goes through both your minds is that now she can quit work, thereby immediately reducing your family’s income, and exposing your family to more risk (since if she quit you definitely can’t afford to  lose your job)? You don’t become wealthy by thinking of ways to reduce your income as soon as one of you increases income.

I’m not saying she shouldn’t quit, but I truly hope you mean that she will quit her current job only after she has another more suitable job lined up.

She makes barely enough money at her job and considering the amount it will cost for daycare and the like, its almost worth it for her to look for work, as the pay increase is equal to her salary.

but yes, I don't advise it fully but she has mentioned that being able to find new work would be in her best interest. I alone will have the new salary, also PT money coming in from a sales job, and any weekend work I do installing floors.

She should not be thinking about quitting her job unless she is moving directly into a new position (ie, she accepts an offer first and then puts in her notice).  Even if you were married, but especially because you are not.  Think of your pay increase as not equal to her salary, but enough to cover the day care costs.  Just leaving her job, even a low paying one, can cripple her income potential for years, if not permanently (and it will be harder for her to re-enter the workforce as an unmarried woman with a child/children).  I'll assume that you are a great partner, but statistically speaking, if the relationship ends, she is much more likely to end up in poverty by going that route.
Eh, I think the math on that depends greatly on
- where they live
- cost of childcare
- income of the gf
- ability of the family to help out
- what gf wants to do next

At least where I live, taking a year or two off doesn't seem to affect your income possibilities, depending on the kind of job you have
If you are professional with a lot of contacts, you'll be fine.
If you are a part time worker, you'll be fine.
People in the middle - might be harder.

Many of my coworkers have wives and girlfriends (and babies), where the wives/ girlfriends already work part time.  That means, the kind of childcare they are looking for is relatively casual - also part time.  That changes the math greatly from "I need 45 hours a week".

On the other hand, at $15 an hour for a nanny for one kid, or $60-85 a day for a daycare center, or $1000 a month for part time pre-school, it might actually be cheaper (short term) for her to quit work.

The thing I would caution is that she keep working and try it out, and THEN quit.  It's easier to quit later than it is to get your job back.  Also: when you have babies, working PT instead of full time is GOLDEN - but at least where I live, and in my industry, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get hired anywhere PT.  It's easier to switch at an existing company.  This town is pretty full of SAHMs who all want to now suddenly work from 8:30 am to 2 pm.

If she long term wants a better job, I'd recommend keeping the current job, cutting hours if possible.  Get through the first couple of years, first one especially is hard.  THEN, when your brain is fully functional again, look for another (better) job.  New job + new baby do not mix, in my experience.

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2018, 02:47:56 PM »
Seriously? You just increased your family’s income by $10-15K and the first thought that goes through both your minds is that now she can quit work, thereby immediately reducing your family’s income, and exposing your family to more risk (since if she quit you definitely can’t afford to  lose your job)? You don’t become wealthy by thinking of ways to reduce your income as soon as one of you increases income.

I’m not saying she shouldn’t quit, but I truly hope you mean that she will quit her current job only after she has another more suitable job lined up.

She makes barely enough money at her job and considering the amount it will cost for daycare and the like, its almost worth it for her to look for work, as the pay increase is equal to her salary.

but yes, I don't advise it fully but she has mentioned that being able to find new work would be in her best interest. I alone will have the new salary, also PT money coming in from a sales job, and any weekend work I do installing floors.

She should not be thinking about quitting her job unless she is moving directly into a new position (ie, she accepts an offer first and then puts in her notice).  Even if you were married, but especially because you are not.  Think of your pay increase as not equal to her salary, but enough to cover the day care costs.  Just leaving her job, even a low paying one, can cripple her income potential for years, if not permanently (and it will be harder for her to re-enter the workforce as an unmarried woman with a child/children).  I'll assume that you are a great partner, but statistically speaking, if the relationship ends, she is much more likely to end up in poverty by going that route.
Eh, I think the math on that depends greatly on
- where they live
- cost of childcare
- income of the gf
- ability of the family to help out
- what gf wants to do next

At least where I live, taking a year or two off doesn't seem to affect your income possibilities, depending on the kind of job you have
If you are professional with a lot of contacts, you'll be fine.
If you are a part time worker, you'll be fine.
People in the middle - might be harder.

Many of my coworkers have wives and girlfriends (and babies), where the wives/ girlfriends already work part time.  That means, the kind of childcare they are looking for is relatively casual - also part time.  That changes the math greatly from "I need 45 hours a week".

On the other hand, at $15 an hour for a nanny for one kid, or $60-85 a day for a daycare center, or $1000 a month for part time pre-school, it might actually be cheaper (short term) for her to quit work.

The thing I would caution is that she keep working and try it out, and THEN quit.  It's easier to quit later than it is to get your job back.  Also: when you have babies, working PT instead of full time is GOLDEN - but at least where I live, and in my industry, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get hired anywhere PT.  It's easier to switch at an existing company.  This town is pretty full of SAHMs who all want to now suddenly work from 8:30 am to 2 pm.

If she long term wants a better job, I'd recommend keeping the current job, cutting hours if possible.  Get through the first couple of years, first one especially is hard.  THEN, when your brain is fully functional again, look for another (better) job.  New job + new baby do not mix, in my experience.

I highly doubt that someone making $15K/year is a professional with a lot of contacts.  In all but a narrow set of circumstances, quitting your job with a new baby and becoming dependent on your unmarried SO is, at best, very risky.

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2018, 03:03:31 PM »
That's a good bump in pay, but I still think that salary is very low for a PM position in A/E. Are you licensed? Do you have any idea what other employers are paying? Do you know what you're "worth." While this might seem like a good move, it may stop you from making an even better move in the near-term future (due to the stigma around changing jobs within a year). If I were you, I would probably be figuring out who pays more any trying to figure out how to get in with those companies.

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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2018, 03:37:35 PM »
Not licensed, only have an associate's and about 10 years experience in the engineering world with over 15 in the construction industry.

They offer that low because the learning curve for telecommunications, which I have 0 experience in. Regardless, if I take the offer, just having the title and salary gives me better bargaining chips for the future.


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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2018, 04:22:52 PM »
What does your gf do? Why does she make so little? Daycare is going to be $850-$1000. Seems she makes more than that. I guess i missed the part where you are having a baby. When is baby due?

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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2018, 04:35:36 PM »
What does your gf do? Why does she make so little? Daycare is going to be $850-$1000. Seems she makes more than that. I guess i missed the part where you are having a baby. When is baby due?

Shes a merchandiser at Best Buy. Baby is due in February.

Paying someone 15 dollars a hour is more than my gf makes.

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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2018, 04:54:17 PM »
Where do you get $15 an hour? $850-$1000 is month is not $15 an hour. In fact, it’s $5 an hour. Anyway, what are her career goals? Does she have a degree in anything? Does she just want to SAH and is using the “cost of daycare” as her reason? With baby due in Feb, you have some time to figure things out.

Sorry to derail from your original question. I get all worked up when I see the cost of daycare as a reason to stay home. There are many great reasons to be a SAHP (my husband is a SAHD) but cost of daycare is (generally) not one of them. Also, I know you are local to me, so I feel compelled to offer you more specific advice. Feel free to ignore it. :)

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« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2018, 05:27:20 PM »
Where do you get $15 an hour? $850-$1000 is month is not $15 an hour. In fact, it’s $5 an hour. Anyway, what are her career goals? Does she have a degree in anything? Does she just want to SAH and is using the “cost of daycare” as her reason? With baby due in Feb, you have some time to figure things out.

Sorry to derail from your original question. I get all worked up when I see the cost of daycare as a reason to stay home. There are many great reasons to be a SAHP (my husband is a SAHD) but cost of daycare is (generally) not one of them. Also, I know you are local to me, so I feel compelled to offer you more specific advice. Feel free to ignore it. :)

Idk. It's a hypothetical. She is utilizing her benefits for maternity leave at 10 weeks pay. Between her mom and sister and her job I am positive we will be fine. Like every other working class American. But to get back to my post, I am probably going to take it.

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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2018, 05:32:20 PM »
I'd still go meet with the competitor and get a second offer if you can politely hang on to the existing offer.  Its a good time to be an employee..

If you're in construction management, I'd be far more concerned about the reputation of the firm.  The best firms still have work during downturns instead of laying off their staff.

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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2018, 05:51:18 PM »
I'd still go meet with the competitor and get a second offer if you can politely hang on to the existing offer.  Its a good time to be an employee..

If you're in construction management, I'd be far more concerned about the reputation of the firm.  The best firms still have work during downturns instead of laying off their staff.

I also have a call into a firm for a Solutions Integration Engineer. It deals with my current industry but more mechanical engineering, I dont have a lot of experience with robots but maybe the pay is better?

Would you rather go for an engineering position or the management position. I almost choose the latter because of rank and potential for upward mobility.

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Re: Received an offer for a new job
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2018, 10:57:20 AM »
So after the long wait the company came back with a salary of $72,800 plus and additional week of vacation.

In total 3 weeks vacation, 1 week pto. 1400 a week. How could I say no?