Author Topic: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"  (Read 18534 times)

MMMWannaBe

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Re: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"
« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2015, 07:32:37 AM »
backyardfeast,

Thanks for the kind post.  I feel exhilarated and nervous at the same time.  I am pinching myself to make sure I am not dreaming and this may be our new reality.

It is worth noting that after looking at my spreadsheet DH agreed that $80K in retirement would be more than enough to have what he consider a "comfortable" retirement.  He can be a little spendy.  Marriage is about balance and I know we will always take different approaches on how to spend money.  That became apparent even in talking about how we would finish the basement. I would take an economical approach and do as much of it ourselves as we can.  He wants to make it a "showcase" where people want to hang out (and would be more inclined to outsource the work). 

To hold myself accountable, I will do a follow up post in 2016 when we have paid off the house and reduced DH's 401K contribution and are living off his paycheck (fingers crossed).  That gives me the rest of this year to work out some of the finer details.  Reducing expenses and tax strategies.

Again, thank you all.  I chuckle as I think about all of my friends who love talking about their financial advisors and what they have to say.  I think I have found the best financial advisors ever!  And they are free and are looking after my best interest.  My husband and I made a pact that we will not breathe a word to family or friends about our plans; nor will we tell anybody that our house is paid off when that time arrives.  I feel like I am bursting at the seams.

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Re: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"
« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2015, 09:52:46 AM »
Congratulations on doing a Hard Thing.  And kudos to your husband for being open minded.

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Re: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"
« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2015, 10:13:39 AM »
It sounds like you have a clear path forward, MMMWannaBe! That's great! :)

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Re: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"
« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2015, 11:50:14 AM »
Congratulations!  I'm so happy to hear you're going forward and that you'll get your summers!  Have fun!

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Re: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"
« Reply #54 on: March 12, 2015, 01:38:03 PM »
Then you would be spending $52.5k/year with investments/cash of $1.603M. That's a 3.27% withdrawal rate if your husband quit right now and you didn't cut any of the fat out of your budget.

Only if you ignore taxes.  I see that a lot on here (and end up doing it myself sometimes). With the deductions for the kids, to have $52.5k in spending they probably need more like $60-65k in income before taxes, depending on the state.  That's more like a 4% withdrawal rate.

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Re: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"
« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2015, 09:15:21 AM »
I recognize that many of you who gave me guidance and revolutionized the way I viewed our finances may not remember our situation, but I want to do a follow up report.

As a recap, our finances were tight....to be truthful we had negative cash flow every month after I left my job to stay at home with our children.  Paying off our house seemed to go against the rules of finance ingrained into my soul (with an interest rate of 2.625%)...when the obvious was pointed out that by taking that leap of ridding ourselves of the mortgage, our cash flow struggles would evaporate.

Although I was planning on paying off the mortgage in January I could not wait to execute the plan.  About a month and a half ago we paid off our house.  And out of the blue I received a somewhat unique job opportunity to do part-time, flexible work while the kids are in school (youngest child just started school this year).  The money is not lucrative, but it fits into our lifestyle and gives me the opportunity to help a new, small business.  I have not received my first paycheck yet, but with the changes we have made to our finances it is money that can be invested for retirement and give us some fun money to do the things we love, such as travel.

Again, my heartfelt thanks to this community for relieving a great stressor in my life and remove the dark cloud of having to go back to a corporate job to balance our budget.  As of now our monthly budget is $3,371 (excluding vacations and retirement funding); that may be extravagant for some (our real estate taxes are high), but it is a happy place for us; and I am glad that with the changes we made we will not have to reduce my husband's 401K contributions (which we have maxed out in year's past).

Thank you seems inadequate, but you all really did make a difference.  I feel like I now own my life and I can fill my time with the things that bring me joy; I am no longer on death row awaiting my time when I will be working for "the man" again.


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Re: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2015, 09:30:38 AM »
Thank you for the update, MMMWannaBe! So glad to hear things are going so well for you, and congrats on paying off the HOUSE! That's AWESOME!

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Re: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"
« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2015, 09:55:22 AM »
"Punch me in the face, I have $1.9MM in assets"

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I think you had this under control the whole time, however, glad to hear everything is better.

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Re: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"
« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2015, 11:16:58 AM »
Thanks for the update!

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Re: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2015, 11:46:50 AM »
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but I will say that our conversation did really change his perspective.

  He acknowledged that for 20 summers I did not have a summer due to my intense work schedule; he said I deserved to have some summers now (almost brought tears to my eyes).  He also said that for 20 years I worked hard, endured a lot of stress and pressure and those 20 years are why we are where we are so perhaps I did deserve a break.

 I think we had a major break-through and the trill of "when are you getting a job" will cease.

  I did agree that when the time is right I will find a job that will bring in about $15K a year that we can use for various purposes (house projects, college, etc.).  Marriage is about compromise and I am happy with our new financial plan.

Yay - he finally said what I was thinking all along - 20 years in a high stress job with no window in your office (that's torture!) and no summer ever due to work obligations - yes,  it is your turn to take a break. You definitely did your part in bringing home the bacon:)

I'm not all that savvy with money, but I kept thinking pay off that house and find something part time that pays $1000 net so you replace the cash you are using to payoff the house. That is a min of $12K you are building back up and if you make $500 more you can easily justify the pool membership. Easy fix.

Put a little pressure on DH to increase his income, a raise to add to the 401K... - what's sauce for the goose:) - just kidding.

You know, I think that someone like your hubby who has a job he likes cannot grasp the feeling that builds up while you are in a high stress job. It is like walking out of prison when you leave that world behind and I bet it is why you are so adamant about leaving it behind for good.
 
The food budget is higher than it needs to be. How about something as simple as using a rewards credit card that gives you 5% back for all your food purchases every month? It was not something I paid attention to before, but it is 5% free money I never realized I could have each month without any effort on my part.
Sometimes we dismiss the small changes, but they do add up. I found $5 savings a month/$60yr just by switching from our favorite Bounty towels to Aldi's store brand instead.


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Re: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"
« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2015, 10:22:52 AM »
take the cash and pay off the home loan.
stop putting into the 401k. you have enough.

balanced budget. done.


now start working of clearing out some of the rest of the crap in the budget and you are in better shape than ever.

Yep. My thinking exactly.

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Re: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"
« Reply #61 on: September 22, 2015, 10:37:10 AM »
I am well aware we spend more than about anybody who frequents financial blogs.

Not necessarily true. Plenty of us just don't post things we know others would criticize. (In my case, it's because I don't particularly want to change them and don't "need" to.) But since you're trying to get your cash flow in balance AND that number is high, definitely take a close look.

One thing I have done in the past when trying to track food expenses is to: 1. Separate out grocery from household items, as you mentioned, and 2. Buy larger quantities of household goods less often. For some reason, that's been helpful for me. A friend of mine did this to simplify her shopping - she'd buy a year's supply of most household items every January. I'm not there (yet), but having stock on hand so you only have to go to Target once every three months instead of twice a month can REALLY be helpful, especially if you find yourself thinking at the checkout how you never get out of Target without spending less than $100.

An extra drawer or dresser can store lots of the items - soap, shampoo, razors, toothpaste, contact solution. So when you're out of something, you "shop" in your own stuff.

Another way to save money on food might be to make certain nights always the same for dinner, and make them cheap nights. For instance, I just joined our town's CSA and as part of that get a fresh loaf of bread and goat cheese every week, so Tuesdays has become bread & cheese night. SO GOOD! You could do easy quesadillas or enchiladas. Or breakfast for dinner. That sort of thing.

Oh, and as for the pool - that probably costs less than taking the family to a movie once a month, and as they grow up, it's where all their friends will be, and it can provide exercise and social interaction for you, too, so I'd say it's a worthwhile expense.

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Re: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"
« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2015, 01:13:07 PM »
Rosy,
Thanks for the affirmation....and I think you definitely have some financial savvy.  What we did ended up being exactly what you suggested....pay off house and found a part-time, flexible job that pays about $1,500/ month.  Truthfully, I was not seeking the job; it came to me.  And because of the joy I have found in spending the summer with my kids one of my job conditions was that I cannot work during the summer.  My work ethic won't allow me to leave them stranded...but they accepted the condition and I will strive to find the right balance to meet their needs as well as mine.

And the other piece I did not share was that DH did receive a significant raise a few months ago so everything combined is taking a great financial weight off of my shoulders.

I agree that my husband did not understand the pressure my job had.  I was well paid, but the off-set was the hours and stress.  People always say the cliched "I know you don't miss the job, but I am sure you miss the people".  Actually, no....I don't miss the people either.  I have a friend who still works there and I love catching up with her to refill my gratitude bucket that I escaped the workplace of tortured souls.  At a gathering of friends somebody asked me if I had plans to go back to an 8-5 job.  The word "NO!" burst from my mouth before I think my brain even processed the question.

A credit card for groceries is a good idea.  If you know off the top of your head which card, I will definitely look into it.  For September we actually stayed inside of our food budget.  Our budget is generous; it is in line with the USDA standards and I decided that I needed to stop beating myself up about it.  If we can stay within our $3,200 overall family budget I am going to not keep torturing ourselves over the food budget.  We are foodies and we like to entertain.  I am using Costco for our bulk household items and working more on selecting recipes with food we have in stock.  The next phase will be doing meal planning based on what is on sale at the grocery.  Baby steps.

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Re: Reader Case Study - "Mind the Gap"
« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2015, 01:32:40 PM »
Sunshine Girl,
Thanks for the honesty....I read other people's posts and feel a lot of guilt for some of our wasteful ways.  Nice to consider that perhaps there are others out there who just don't share what their personal finances look like.  And I also like the perspective that if you are happy with your retirement savings and cash flow, you can be a bit more liberal with your spending.  I do feel like in some ways I am hard wired to be cheap.  I am trying to figure out at what point we have enough disposable income to justify purchasing season tickets to Broadway Series.  I love going to the theater, but without me working I do not feel entitled to that kind of excess (who am I kidding - I always have guilt when I purchase Broadway tickets).  We have neighbors who would purchase their tickets the same night as us (and make it into a couple's date night), but I feel unworthy of that kind of expenditure.

I finally came to the same conclusion as you did about the pool.  My best friend as well as many of my neighbors belong to the pool.  The kids are on swim team and their friends belong there.  It is a social venue that adds to my life.  At one point I felt like I was on a count down until I would be working every summer and I had doubts about buying into the pool.  That time-bomb is gone and I am looking forward to our future summers at the pool.