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LPG

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Questions for Expats in Italy
« on: August 24, 2014, 03:00:24 PM »
Ahoy everybody,

Long time MMM lurker, first time poster here. I'm finally getting around to posting because I've found an amazing opportunity to live and work in Italy (as a US citizen) for 1+ years. I'm hoping that you all can help me figure out some of the mustachian details before I go on this adventure. Without further ado, here are some questions:

1. Is there a good discount cell company in Italy? I'm hoping to find something equivalent to either Ting or Republic. Could also go with burner phones, I guess.
2. My current credit card wants to charge me an extra 3% on every transaction if I use it overseas. UNACCEPTABLE! Does anybody have recommendations for good credit cards to use (and pay off monthly, obviously) while abroad? Is it worth trying to find a rewards card with an Italian institution?
3. Basically the same as above for bank accounts. If I use my US credit union account, will I get nailed with ATM fees constantly? Money conversion fees? Is using my US account going to be expensive? Is it worth opening an account with an Italian institution?
4. As anti-Mustacian as it is, I intend to do a lot of travel while over there. I view it as a once in a life-time opportunity to easily visit lots of European friends, and explore a different continent. If my savings rate drops to a pitiful 25% because I'm taking advantage of that, so be it. But do you have any tips I can use to make it less anti-mustachian? Is AirBNB active over there (or is there a European equivalent)? Is there a good way to find cheap plane/train travel around the continent?
5. I'll be working for an Italian institute, and won't have access to the US 401k system. Is there another way I can save more in a tax-advantaged account (on top of my IRA, that is)?
6. Finally, do any of you live in/near Bolzano, Italy? It would be awesome to show up and meet others living the Mustachian life!

Grazie mille!

-LPG

larmando

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Re: Questions for Expats in Italy
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2014, 03:14:57 PM »
Hi,

Let me see if I can help you:

1. Most cell companies offer prepaid. "Wind" had good prices, but this varies all the time. Just go online compare the prepaid plans and you're good to go. You can pick up your SIM card in a general electronics shop (like media world) or at a shop for that company (usually in the city centre). Phones tend to be unlocked, and you can change any time and bring your number with you.
2. Initially just get a prepaid credit card (or just pay with cash/debit). As you have a few salaries and a bank account it should be easier to get a CC from your bank, or an affiliate program (airline, etc)
3. Of course, always have an account where you live/work. You should be able to get a free account in many banks.
4. Yes, there's a lot of airbnb in europe (we are hosts, for example), and you can also try couchsurfing of course, or just go to booking.com for shorter stays (airbnb tends to be competitive from 3 nights+ due to cleaning fees). Also there are hostels and other strange institutions (eg. nuns run "hotels" in rome). For traveling usual rules apply: book in advance, through the internet, for best deals. There might be options for all inclusive rail tickets (check "interrail")
5. Not sure. In general given the italian finances I'm not sure I'd trust such a thing a lot either, FYI.
6. I've been to Bolzano a couple of times this year, and live in Bavaria. If you come up on your trips we can have a coffee, for sure. :)

Ciao!

AnAmericanAbroad

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Re: Questions for Expats in Italy
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2014, 03:30:52 AM »
First post here, I figured I had to register to help out an expat to be. I'm an American expat in Hong Kong so I went through a similar experience a couple years back. I can't speak specifically to living in Italy, though I traveled there a while back and Bolzano is beautiful, but I can share what's helped me in Hong Kong.

Are you going to be paid in USD or EUR while you're abroad? If you're paid in euros then you won't have a problem using ATM's there, just open a local bank account. You can just leave your USD savings in the States and worry about that when you get back and spend your euros while you're there, leaving less to convert back to USD eventually. If you're paid in USD you'll obviously need euros to spend, which is what my situation is in HK. My comments about Schwab and the BoA Travel Rewards card might be able to help you a lot there.

On bank accounts, do your best to open a Schwab bank account before you leave. They have no ATM fees anywhere in the world and will reimburse fees charged by other banks. I've used them for two years in Hong Kong and throughout Asia with no problems, though the cards are only accepted by machines that take Visa debit cards. I can't remember the standards in Europe, but I just recently used the cards in Switzerland. Hmmm actually to be more specific, sometimes the machines are finicky and don't accept my card, but I've always been able to find a bank in the city that will take the card.

On credit cards, there are a few American banks that offer no foreign transaction fees. Capital One doesn't have any foreign transaction fees on any of their credit cards, but they gave me an absurdly small limit even though I basically have perfect credit and a high income. However, Bank of America has a Travel Rewards card that has no foreign transaction fees and effectively 1.5% cash back (technically a travel reimbursement, but if you're living abroad using that up clearly won't be a problem). You can get 1.65% cash back if you have a BoA checking account too, I believe.

Regarding travel, I say you should definitely do it. I've been to about 10 countries since moving to HK and don't regret anything I've spent. You can travel frugally in Europe if you try to though, I mean I backpacked Europe for 3 months on $50/day. Eastern Europe is cheaper, but even the major cities in Western Europe have hostels that are cheap. It's been 8 years since I've backpacked so I'm older and my standards have gone up slightly, so when I travel by myself I get the single room in a hostel instead of a dorm. That's my way of splurging.

Regarding retirement accounts, it's pretty tricky. I believe you have to have AGI > 0 to contribute to a Roth, so if you're taking the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (as you likely will be) you won't be able to contribute to an IRA unless you have income that exceeds the FEIE + IRA contribution (capped at $5500 of course). However, your FEIE is added back to your AGI to calculate your MAGI to determine income limits for Roth IRA contributions, so there is only a very narrow band where you can make frontdoor Roth IRA contributions. My wife and I are going the backdoor Roth IRA route. However, I don't pretend to be a tax professional, so definitely research more on this part.

Best of luck with the move!

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Re: Questions for Expats in Italy
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2014, 07:22:28 AM »
Chase Sapphire has not foreign transaction fees. They also have the chip which is more commonly used over there now than the magnetic strip.

AnAmericanAbroad

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Re: Questions for Expats in Italy
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2014, 12:08:25 AM »
Right, the BoA Travel Rewards card has a chip too. Doesn't do much here in Asia but it's there.