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New Home Windows
« on: May 18, 2022, 01:44:24 AM »
I live in a 2b2b condo in southern CA. Recently a coworker mentioned replacing their home windows in passing while selling their home. I thought nothing of it but some how it triggered me to look at the windows in my own home and got me thinking. My windows appear to be the original windows when first constructed in 1990. They are double pane but are not in the best shape. I have 5 windows all of which are bedroom windows that face south or west. I've been here 1 year and last summer it got very hot inside the unit. The electric bill spikes and it's annoying plus I have a roommate tenant so I'm obligated to maintain a certain level of comfort.

That got the ball rolling on looking at a full window replacement. The thinking being it's nominally a type of investment which in theory I could recoup some of the cost when/if I eventually sell, it can help reduce energy/utility cost, it would help to regulate temperature, I would be able to write off at least half of the cost due to me renting half the unit, I could personally benefit now from the improvement, all of the issues with the windows will be fixed (although none are in such disrepair that they are not operational) and the new windows look nice.

I did some research on my options and I like a design and brand by Milgard that make a line of double panel windows with an option for argon gas and extra window coating to help with heat. It's a nice brand, not luxury but definitely mid-high. I received one estimate by phone for $5800, and two written offers for about $4600 each for a full replacement of all 5 windows (3 large, 1 medium, and 1 small, total of about 113 sq. ft. of glass).

I liked one of the companies that offered the lower $4600 for the job and I was planning to think and research more. However, I heard independently from 3 of these stores that this particular manufacturer will be raising prices next week 8-10% on materials next week that will passed onto the customer resulting in what I estimate to be a $300 increase. This has created some pressure on me to make a decision to have it done sooner. I am confident that the deal I would get is at least fair and would be done at a satisfactory level. I am doubtful I can negotiate a lower price if any for the work from the local window company I like charging $4600. 

On the other hand all of this happened in the last week and this would be my first home remodel so just wanted to see what people thought and advice if I may be rushing into it to quickly or if in fact the price for this is to high or any other considerations I'm not thinking of for remodeling in general or for windows. I'm usually the type of person that mulls over the most minor and trivial purchases for longer. However I don't want my hesitation to delay in an opportunity now. Also, the timeline at this time would mean executing the contract now means the windows won't be installed until some time in August due to supply and backlog. I would pay half upfront and the other half at installation. I'd plan to pay with credit and pay off immediately.       

One additional concern is that I would technically need to receive HOA approval which almost certainly I can not get by the time the price increase takes effect however I am almost certain this would not be an issue as I'm not changing color or window shape and would maintain some marginal ability to modify my order if necessary.
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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2022, 01:54:48 AM »
Window blinds (awnings) that are outside the windows stop the sun shining directly onto the glass. Consequently they reduce summer heat better than a lot of other treatments do, and are far cheaper.

The windows you plan to get do also reduce summer heat. However the extra window coating will probably reduce light in winter and may reduce sun absorption then, making your home darker and cooler.

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2022, 02:23:28 AM »
I am an energy efficiency nerd.  Window replacement is almost never the best thing as far as energy cost effectiveness goes.  If the windows are fine--that is, not failing--then upgrade pretty much everything else before doing the windows.

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2022, 05:02:00 AM »
I am an energy efficiency nerd.  Window replacement is almost never the best thing as far as energy cost effectiveness goes.  If the windows are fine--that is, not failing--then upgrade pretty much everything else before doing the windows.

I was going to post almost the exact same thing.

You are likely to be disappointed by the efficiency ‘gains’ from replacing some pre-existing double-pained windows.  I’d reckon you won’t even notice it at all - more likely it’s getting uncomfortably hot in the summer because you lack good insulation in the walls, poor ventilation & insulation in the attic (if yours i the top unit) and/or poor air sealing throughout.

If you are permitted, exterior awnings will do far more for you than replacing windows. If you can’t, light-colored blinds that you can close durin direct sunlight will stop some of the heat gain.  So will planting trees which help shade that side of the building.  Those may not be options with a condo and a strict HOA. 

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2022, 06:48:44 AM »
I thought the outside roof / walls of a condo were HOA's responsibility?

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2022, 07:59:13 AM »
Interesting, I am on the 2nd floor of a 2 floor unit l. I am 99% sure I can not put awnings on the exterior of the window but I’ll double check. I’m almost equally as certain about the trees and being on the 2nd floor I’d have to plant a massive tree. Although there is already some trees near my window but coverage and distance are such that I think the shading provided is minimal. I currently do have a somewhat nice cordless set of shades, a thin almost transparent curtain and a much thicker opaque curtain. I’m not sure about the quality of wall insulation I think average? It was built in1990 and the development isn’t luxurious but in my opinion good.  What other energy efficient steps can I take? During most of the day I don’t need to turn on any lights. Yes I am aware the windows will make it darker but I believe it would be fine from what I can judge looking at the window. 

The bedrooms for my unit happen to have an extremely high ceiling think about 15 ft or so with title roofing over the bedrooms so I don’t think there is an attic and I think the ceiling height and tile roofing are helping?? As far as heat proofing is the fact that my existing window double pane mean that most of what I can do window wise is already in place? The new windows would essentially have the “tinting” and the Argon gas to add. Not sure but the new windows may seal up much better in winter do that far less cold comes in as my development is on a hill and it get quite cold and windy. 
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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2022, 09:57:41 AM »
Interesting, I am on the 2nd floor of a 2 floor unit l. I am 99% sure I can not put awnings on the exterior of the window but I’ll double check. I’m almost equally as certain about the trees and being on the 2nd floor I’d have to plant a massive tree. Although there is already some trees near my window but coverage and distance are such that I think the shading provided is minimal. I currently do have a somewhat nice cordless set of shades, a thin almost transparent curtain and a much thicker opaque curtain. I’m not sure about the quality of wall insulation I think average? It was built in1990 and the development isn’t luxurious but in my opinion good.  What other energy efficient steps can I take? During most of the day I don’t need to turn on any lights. Yes I am aware the windows will make it darker but I believe it would be fine from what I can judge looking at the window. 

The bedrooms for my unit happen to have an extremely high ceiling think about 15 ft or so with title roofing over the bedrooms so I don’t think there is an attic and I think the ceiling height and tile roofing are helping?? As far as heat proofing is the fact that my existing window double pane mean that most of what I can do window wise is already in place? The new windows would essentially have the “tinting” and the Argon gas to add. Not sure but the new windows may seal up much better in winter do that far less cold comes in as my development is on a hill and it get quite cold and windy.

From what you describe, it sounds like you have cathedral ceilings, which are notorious for being under-insulated in built-to-spec condos. In all likelihood that is contributing substantially to your heat-gain during hot summer months. 

Mitigating the problem is another matter.  If/when the roof needs to be redone you should inquire about insulating below the decking, but with a condo it's likely going to fall under the HOA's responsibility and they might not receptive to the added cost.
First its helpful o know if your cathedral ceiling is  vented (most common) or unvented.  If there are soffit vents, then it's vented. It's possible to converted a vented ceiling into an air-tight, unvented space without removing the roof by ripping out the drywall and hiring a company to spray foam between the rafters with at least 3" (preferably more).  You may not be able to do this with your HOA, and even if you are it involves moving all the furniture out of the room and tearing out the drywall.

It's also worth checking out what the insulation is on your exterior walls, and whether there are any substantial gaps (there often are).  A home energy audit will spot these, and are often covered under various state energy efficiency programs.  Even if they aren't, the ~$200-300 you spend OOP can be really valuable going forward.

I would NOT spend $4,600 on windows that are currently functional before doing all the other energy efficiency upgrades mentioned above (when possible), all of which are likely to have a bigger impact and generally a smaller price tag.

Oh - and while you dismissed planting trees earlier because they would "cost a fortune" - consider what you are contemplating spending here for windows.  On a recent trip to a nursery I noticed I could buy some pretty massive trees (15'+) for $500-999, including local delivery and planting. That might sound ludicrously expensive if you are just thinking about it as a tree, but as a pretty way to minimize heat gain in your home it's far less expensive than new windows, and will be more effective.

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2022, 10:10:49 AM »
I agree that you're not likely to see much if any gain in efficiency by replacing dual pane windows with newer dual pane windows unless there are major issues with the existing units.

You're basically talking about $4600 to get newer versions of what you've currently got with some window film added. But that stuff can be found pretty easily and is pretty inexpensive if you're willing to do some very basic DIY. There are a bunch of different options. I'm not specifically vouching for any one in particular, but this is an example:

https://www.amazon.com/Blocking-Rejection-Reduction-Black-Silver-17-7x78-7/dp/B07G6NC1FP/ref=asc_df_B07G6NC1FP/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=286857352218&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=18273241395148638055&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1017047&hvtargid=pla-493205254555&th=1

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2022, 11:01:52 AM »
It really depends on if the old windows are still functional, or if they aren't. Milgard makes a good window, for what it's worth.

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2022, 11:46:52 AM »
I think the price is fine. We just signed on the have all of our original 1960 single pane windows, many featuring broken panes, replaced by triple pane windows, and well... windows are expensive. And they are booking 20 weeks out.

But if you've got double pane windows and they are in decent shape, I don't think you'll see much energy savings.

I did window replacement in my last house, and it didn't have nearly the impact that replacing the roof did, though I certainly liked being able to wash the windows from the inside.

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2022, 11:51:51 AM »
Just to clarify I never said I didn't want to plant trees because they would cost a fortune. It's more about the inability to do so due to HOA and the size of the tree to do it, One side doesn't even have room and the other already has 30 ft+ trees so I'm not seeing the practicality of planting trees at least that high or waiting years for them to grow that high if I even could get authorization to do so.

As far as window functionality, the windows do close but they can't lock because the spacing on them is off, when it rains something is probably wrong with the weathering on them because it collects a good amount of mud/dirt, the foam spacers between the panes are cracked and dislodged in some areas (not sure what impact this has on functionality), are these all minor window issues? Hard to imagine a window will fail in such a way that it won't open or close (maybe another 30 years lol)?

As far as applying a darkening film, that's a possibility just seems more like a stop gap measure. Conducting the home energy audit is intriguing but if found that insulation is lacking the tearing of the drywall and spraying foam sounds a bit expensive. Does anyone know how much that could improve insulation against heat/cold?

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2022, 12:38:28 PM »
The price seems fine, depending on whether these are inserts, or full frame replacements. If you aren't having moisture issues, there isn't really a reason to replace other than aesthetics. Milgard is a mid-tier window company, and most of their vinyl lines - Style line, Trinsic, Tuscany are probably similar to the windows that were put in in 1990.

All that said, new windows can be a really beautiful upgrade to a space aesthetically. You have to figure, is this the best use of $5K of aesthetic upgrade money spent?

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2022, 12:39:44 PM »
Ok. Windows aren’t “that” expensive.   Even with the doubling of costs since 2020, my contractor price for a double hung, full screen, double pane, low e coating, and argon has filled windows is only 350$/window for vinyl.   If you need safety glass, it’s an extra $80.   Install? Shop around.  You might find someone who would do it for 200/window. 

For your situation, you might look at just adding a low e coating to the exterior of the window.  It should lower your solar heat gain.

Agree with other posters here that there are other, more effective options, and that your 1990 windows are probably more than adequate.


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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2022, 01:10:16 PM »

As far as applying a darkening film, that's a possibility just seems more like a stop gap measure. Conducting the home energy audit is intriguing but if found that insulation is lacking the tearing of the drywall and spraying foam sounds a bit expensive. Does anyone know how much that could improve insulation against heat/cold?

This is an almost impossible question to answer without knowing a lot more details, many of which you won't have without an energy audit (or at least someone's examination who knows a how to examine such things on-site).  In a previous home we discovered that there was an entire bay (so 15" x 96") missing any insulation at all - thought that unusual until I talked to my friend who does home inspections for a living and he said he finds that in probably 1/3 of all homes he inspects. In virtually every home examined there's some gaps, particularly around penetrations.  For builders time is money and the drywallers don't want to wait for a few pieces of fiberglass to be fitted - especially since it will almost certainly be overlooked.

Spray foaming a cathedral ceiling is certainly a pricy and disruptive undertaking.  Around here the are charging about $2/bf for closed cell.  But if that's an area that's poorly insulated (IME likely) that's going to have a much bigger impact than replacing double-paned windows for a similar cost.  But it could be other things entirely. I mentioned the story above because it's possible your walls are under insulated (or even not-insulated in places).  There's a couple ways of addressing this, but they all depend on what materials are there already. If you have siding that's easily removable (e.g. vinyl) you could insulate from the exterior with either foam (highest R value) or something else (batts, blown cellulose, etc).  If you've got masonry cladding (e.g. brick) your only practical access point is from the interior, which typically means cutting into the drywall.

If your home is excessively leaky (not uncommon, even in homes built in the 1990s), then a few tubes of caulk and some GreatStuff will have a sizable impact for <$50 in materials. Again, an energy auditor will be able to find these leaks very quickly, but it's possible to do yourself if you know what you are looking for. It's hard to tell someone how to do it over the internet because a lot depends on construction materials, but in general check every point where something goes through your walls (including windows and doors, but also cable and electrical lines, vent stacks, gas pipes, etc) and make sure those are sealed. cobwebs and dirty spots on your walls can be good indicators (the dirty spots can occur when a colder spot in your wall frequently mixes with warm humid air, and the dirt is from all the dust motes in the air).

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2022, 01:48:17 PM »
The install charge per window is $275 per window from both of the lower cost companies. I'm not sure if this makes a difference but my current frames appear to be metal, does that make a difference in heat transfer? Who exactly would do an energy audit?

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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2022, 02:00:48 PM »
The install charge per window is $275 per window from both of the lower cost companies. I'm not sure if this makes a difference but my current frames appear to be metal, does that make a difference in heat transfer? Who exactly would do an energy audit?
You might be able to easily repair aluminum frame windows - or pay someone to do it for you. It sounds like they need new gaskets and might need to be re-aligned as the building has shifted (both common).
You can get an energy audit from an independent contractor.  First, I'd start by googling whether your state has rebates on energy audits (many do).  Then just search "Your-town + energy audit" and see what local companies come up.  Around here they tend to all be $250, which (no coincidence) is what the state rebate is for an energy audit.

If/when you call you'll want someone who can do a blower door test, and that will compartmentalize your home to see where the major air leaks are.  Every reputable energy auditor will also have a thermal imaging camera, though competent ones can typically find problems without one and just use the thermal cameras to verify.

FWIW my state also offers energy efficiency rebates on a number of things, including heat pumps, air sealing and insulation. There are federal programs as well, particularly for low income. Check to see if your state offers any of these incentives.


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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2022, 02:15:51 PM »
Conducting the home energy audit is intriguing but if found that insulation is lacking the tearing of the drywall and spraying foam sounds a bit expensive. Does anyone know how much that could improve insulation against heat/cold?

Typically you don't have to remove the existing drywall to blow in more insulation.  However, based on the 1990 construction date, I suspect your walls are already insulated. 

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2022, 02:18:10 PM »
I am an energy efficiency nerd.  Window replacement is almost never the best thing as far as energy cost effectiveness goes.  If the windows are fine--that is, not failing--then upgrade pretty much everything else before doing the windows.

Well, now that you've outed yourself -- what are the limits on this "almost never"?

I live in a 1947 cinderblock house with all but one of its original 1947 steel casement windows. I reinsulated the attic last fall, but the rooms are still very cold in the deepest part of the winter (January/February) and hot/stuffy by late April. Half of them have broken cranks, and the rest have storm windows fitted over them that make them impossible to open more than about 2".

I'm trying to get a good understanding on what energy efficiency looks like when we have extreme hot/cold temperatures, humidity that sometimes rises above 100% but cruelly refuses to rain, and I have a house that was designed to be ventilated by windows that now largely don't open.

Any advice or resources would be appreciated!

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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2022, 08:29:03 PM »
I am an energy efficiency nerd.  Window replacement is almost never the best thing as far as energy cost effectiveness goes.  If the windows are fine--that is, not failing--then upgrade pretty much everything else before doing the windows.

Well, now that you've outed yourself -- what are the limits on this "almost never"?

I live in a 1947 cinderblock house with all but one of its original 1947 steel casement windows. I reinsulated the attic last fall, but the rooms are still very cold in the deepest part of the winter (January/February) and hot/stuffy by late April. Half of them have broken cranks, and the rest have storm windows fitted over them that make them impossible to open more than about 2".

I'm trying to get a good understanding on what energy efficiency looks like when we have extreme hot/cold temperatures, humidity that sometimes rises above 100% but cruelly refuses to rain, and I have a house that was designed to be ventilated by windows that now largely don't open.

Any advice or resources would be appreciated!

Windows are a little complicated, but a simple way to look at it is that the windows are about 20% of the exterior wall space.  An old window has an R-value of about 1, and a new window has an R-value of about 2.  If the rest of the wall is already insulated, it has an R-value of 14 or so.   So when the smoke clears you didn't actually do very much to improve the insulation, and at high cost.

It is more complicated than that because in addition to losing heat through the windows, you can actually have solar gain through the windows too.  That's can be a good thing in heating climates, but a bad thing in cooling climates. 

In your case the windows are failing.  You need them to open and they don't.   So I'd put replacement near the top of the list.  FWIW, my house was also built in 1947 and the windows were not original but were beginning to crap out, so I replaced them all over time.   

Have you looked into wall insulation by the way?  Based on the construction date you might not have any. 


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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2022, 05:50:53 AM »
I am an energy efficiency nerd.  Window replacement is almost never the best thing as far as energy cost effectiveness goes.  If the windows are fine--that is, not failing--then upgrade pretty much everything else before doing the windows.

Well, now that you've outed yourself -- what are the limits on this "almost never"?

I live in a 1947 cinderblock house with all but one of its original 1947 steel casement windows. I reinsulated the attic last fall, but the rooms are still very cold in the deepest part of the winter (January/February) and hot/stuffy by late April. Half of them have broken cranks, and the rest have storm windows fitted over them that make them impossible to open more than about 2".

I'm trying to get a good understanding on what energy efficiency looks like when we have extreme hot/cold temperatures, humidity that sometimes rises above 100% but cruelly refuses to rain, and I have a house that was designed to be ventilated by windows that now largely don't open.

Any advice or resources would be appreciated!

Our last house was similar to this, in Florida.  We talked about replacing the windows, but we never did because we had a ton of them and the replacement costs our neighbors had were quite high (maybe because they had to be hurricane resistant)?  Regardless, you could try replacing the cranks.  We had a bunch of broken ones that I was able to bring back from the dead with a new crank and some WD-40.  There were two that we could never get open, but those rooms had other windows.  The thing that was very clear, though, was that it wouldn't make much difference from an energy efficiency POV.  Our house was 1800 sqft, we kept it at like 78 in the summer (any higher and we had mold issues), and our electric bill (in the summer) was typically like $110-120.  Honestly, I was kind of shocked -- I figured that once I saw our first electric bill I'd want to replace all the windows.  Turns out we stayed in that house for 10 years and sold it with the original windows still in place.

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2022, 08:22:31 AM »
I agree. The heat in your condo is likely due to a lot of other factors with the windows as a likely low culprit. However, it could be enough to keep extra heat from entering that it makes it slightly more comfortable. The glazing on windows can certainly make a difference, but will wear out over time.

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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2022, 08:31:56 AM »

Windows are a little complicated, but a simple way to look at it is that the windows are about 20% of the exterior wall space.  An old window has an R-value of about 1, and a new window has an R-value of about 2.  If the rest of the wall is already insulated, it has an R-value of 14 or so.   So when the smoke clears you didn't actually do very much to improve the insulation, and at high cost.

It is more complicated than that because in addition to losing heat through the windows, you can actually have solar gain through the windows too.  That's can be a good thing in heating climates, but a bad thing in cooling climates. 

In your case the windows are failing.  You need them to open and they don't.   So I'd put replacement near the top of the list.  FWIW, my house was also built in 1947 and the windows were not original but were beginning to crap out, so I replaced them all over time.   

Have you looked into wall insulation by the way?  Based on the construction date you might not have any.

Thank you! That's very useful. So, from that perspective, removing the storm windows probably wouldn't make much difference overall?

You're right; I don't think there is any wall insulation. The walls get very cold to the touch. There might be something in the bedrooms; someone paneled over the plaster in there and added drop ceilings and I assume that was to reduce heat loss.

Solar gain is really only an issue on one side of the house. The house had awnings originally (the mounting rings are still in place) and I might add them back on the one side that gets sun. The thing is that it's the bedroom side, and I want that solar gain in the winter! 

I've thought about removing the storm windows, seeing if I can restore the cranks on the 1947 windows, and adding screens on the inside. I'd really like to be able to throw the house open and air it out properly-- it would definitely extend the time I can manage without running AC-- but I worry about security when I'm not at home, and bugs.

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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2022, 08:35:41 AM »

Our last house was similar to this, in Florida.  We talked about replacing the windows, but we never did because we had a ton of them and the replacement costs our neighbors had were quite high (maybe because they had to be hurricane resistant)?  Regardless, you could try replacing the cranks.  We had a bunch of broken ones that I was able to bring back from the dead with a new crank and some WD-40.  There were two that we could never get open, but those rooms had other windows.  The thing that was very clear, though, was that it wouldn't make much difference from an energy efficiency POV.  Our house was 1800 sqft, we kept it at like 78 in the summer (any higher and we had mold issues), and our electric bill (in the summer) was typically like $110-120.  Honestly, I was kind of shocked -- I figured that once I saw our first electric bill I'd want to replace all the windows.  Turns out we stayed in that house for 10 years and sold it with the original windows still in place.

Good to know! It's amazing how many old devices can be restored with some WD-40. I will give it a try.

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2022, 08:49:30 AM »
Our previous home had a large west facing kitchen window. On summer days the kitchen would get extremely hot in the afternoon, so much so that we had issues with food spoilage and likely premature failure of our refrigerator. It was also just too dang hot to cook dinner.

My solution was to apply Gila Heat Control film to the interior of the window. Took about 2 hours to prep and apply, but was pretty straightforward. Make sure the glass is super clean, use a razor blade to remove crusted on stuff. After that it's a two person job to mist the window and film and apply it, trim, and carefully push out the air bubbles. It works amazingly well, with a very noticeable drop in temperature inside, and actually comfortable to work in the kitchen even in the direct sunlight. It also created a rather hot reflection outside the house, which I suppose is from the solar energy being redirected.

It did change the quality of the lighting in the house. More of a grey/silver color. Not a bad thing and we quickly got used to it, just something worth noting. Total cost for the DIY job was around $100 between the film and special spray and tools.

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Re: New Home Windows
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2022, 08:18:50 PM »
I will throw in a couple more comments:

-material coat increases are real and it's typical to have announced price increases like this a couple times a year.

-aluminum windows have poor energy efficiency unless they are thermally broken. Leaving aluminum frames in place is probably a bad idea.

-installation is hugely important. Don't cheap out on that. Most issues are installation related.

-sounds like you are not going with cheap vinyl windows. Vinyl windows are really not what you want if you are staying in the house.