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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2022, 12:50:24 PM »
Even worse, there's no such thing as analog OTA TV anymore.  The US digitized the old TV transmission band, which allowed them to consolidate all the transmissions into a narrower band.  They auctioned off the rest of the old band that used to be analog TV.  So unless you're going to resurrect a bunch of old transmission equipment and break lots of fcc rules, you won't have anything to watch.
You didn't get the $10 FCC tuner to adapt your old TV to digital signal? 

I have seen $30 tuners for OTA TV that can turn a monitor into a TV with DVR if you add a drive.

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2022, 01:49:28 PM »
OK, here's another honest question -- Why are 'dumb' screens more expensive than 'smart' TVs?  (Comparing apples to apples, new, in-store, same size)
Well, if they can't sell your data...

Ok, wow, does that account for all of the price difference I wonder?

I'm reading a book right now that quotes a tech expert saying that if companies had to compensate us for our data and attention, a four-person family could be entitled to about twenty thousand dollars a year. It boggles my mind!

(I highly recommend the book by the way: The Power of Fun by Catherine Price.)

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2022, 04:09:33 PM »
There is also the option of opening up the TV and disconnecting it snipping the wifi antenna wires from the board...

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2022, 04:55:06 PM »
There is also the option of opening up the TV and disconnecting it snipping the wifi antenna wires from the board...

Curious to what degree this would actually protect your data.  It’s my understanding that your ISP can track what you watch, as does the normal streaming services.  You could hook up your laptop via a physical cable (as some have suggested) but then it’s the data coming to/from your laptop they are tracking, right?
I supposed ‘VPN’ is a basic safeguard, but wouldn’t “best practice” be to install it on the router side rather than on each device?
Serious questions - I don’t know the real answer. 

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2022, 08:23:18 AM »
Probably the only way privacy could be attained would be by buying a secondhand laptop for cash, wiping the hard drive and installing Linux, only using public Wi-Fi, and setting up burner accounts for everything. Then the problem remains: how do you pay for stuff in a way that can’t be easily tied to you? Perhaps a reloadable Visa or Mastercard gift certificate would work for this purpose if you paid physical cash for it at the store, but then if you’d like to reload it rather than buy a new one the whole traceable transfer problem arises again. Then if someone really wanted to trace you there’s the store’s video system.

The point of this mental exercise is not to help people obtain illicit content, it’s to show how the attention economy has eliminated all convenient options to consume media without being watched oneself! The imminent end of physical currency will make it impossible to earn or spend money without being watched. Because the attention economy pays our fees for us and makes it more convenient to transact, it will always be more appealing to most people.

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #55 on: June 13, 2022, 08:32:44 AM »
There is also the option of opening up the TV and disconnecting it snipping the wifi antenna wires from the board...

Or just don't connect it to wifi - it can't automatically connect to a secured network.

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #56 on: June 13, 2022, 03:00:56 PM »
There is also the option of opening up the TV and disconnecting it snipping the wifi antenna wires from the board...

Or just don't connect it to wifi - it can't automatically connect to a secured network.

But if you aren’t connecting it to the WiFi, and don’t have a TV subscription or streaming services… what are you watching?  I suppose you could go “old school” and use nothing but DVDs, but otherwise it seems you are still leaving digital breadcrumbs for someone to collect and sell.

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #57 on: June 13, 2022, 05:17:11 PM »
There is also the option of opening up the TV and disconnecting it snipping the wifi antenna wires from the board...

Or just don't connect it to wifi - it can't automatically connect to a secured network.

But if you aren’t connecting it to the WiFi, and don’t have a TV subscription or streaming services… what are you watching?  I suppose you could go “old school” and use nothing but DVDs, but otherwise it seems you are still leaving digital breadcrumbs for someone to collect and sell.

The concern seemed to specifically be the smart TV collecting data. If you're streaming anything data is going to be collected, but you can restrict that to Netflix on your laptop playing via HDMI cable/etc if you want by simply not connecting the TV to the network.

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #58 on: June 13, 2022, 05:47:45 PM »
There is also the option of opening up the TV and disconnecting it snipping the wifi antenna wires from the board...

Or just don't connect it to wifi - it can't automatically connect to a secured network.

But if you aren’t connecting it to the WiFi, and don’t have a TV subscription or streaming services… what are you watching?  I suppose you could go “old school” and use nothing but DVDs, but otherwise it seems you are still leaving digital breadcrumbs for someone to collect and sell.

The concern seemed to specifically be the smart TV collecting data. If you're streaming anything data is going to be collected, but you can restrict that to Netflix on your laptop playing via HDMI cable/etc if you want by simply not connecting the TV to the network.

From a privacy standpoint, does that change anything?

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #59 on: June 13, 2022, 05:50:14 PM »
There is also the option of opening up the TV and disconnecting it snipping the wifi antenna wires from the board...

Or just don't connect it to wifi - it can't automatically connect to a secured network.

But if you aren’t connecting it to the WiFi, and don’t have a TV subscription or streaming services… what are you watching?  I suppose you could go “old school” and use nothing but DVDs, but otherwise it seems you are still leaving digital breadcrumbs for someone to collect and sell.

The concern seemed to specifically be the smart TV collecting data. If you're streaming anything data is going to be collected, but you can restrict that to Netflix on your laptop playing via HDMI cable/etc if you want by simply not connecting the TV to the network.

From a privacy standpoint, does that change anything?
Oh yes.

https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/how-to-turn-off-smart-tv-snooping-features-a4840102036/

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #60 on: June 14, 2022, 10:04:44 AM »
There is also the option of opening up the TV and disconnecting it snipping the wifi antenna wires from the board...

Or just don't connect it to wifi - it can't automatically connect to a secured network.

But if you aren’t connecting it to the WiFi, and don’t have a TV subscription or streaming services… what are you watching?  I suppose you could go “old school” and use nothing but DVDs, but otherwise it seems you are still leaving digital breadcrumbs for someone to collect and sell.

The concern seemed to specifically be the smart TV collecting data. If you're streaming anything data is going to be collected, but you can restrict that to Netflix on your laptop playing via HDMI cable/etc if you want by simply not connecting the TV to the network.

From a privacy standpoint, does that change anything?
Oh yes.

https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/how-to-turn-off-smart-tv-snooping-features-a4840102036/

That's a helpful article, thanks!

My takeaway from all of this:

Watching Netflix through a web browser on a computer, displayed on a "dumb" TV (or smart TV not connected to wifi)
Netflix and your ISP know what you are watching.

Watching a DVD through a "dumb" player and a "dumb" TV
Nobody knows what you are watching unless they can physically see or hear your TV. Your phone, google home, and alexa devices are listening.

Watching Netflix through a smart TV
Netflix, your ISP, and your smart TV manufacturer know what you are watching. The smart TV manufacturer has no continuous income other than selling your data, and practically no consequence if they do.

Watching a DVD through a player hooked up to a smart TV
The smart TV manufacturer knows what you are watching.

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #61 on: June 14, 2022, 11:53:11 AM »
That looks correct, yes!

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #62 on: June 14, 2022, 12:30:54 PM »
Watching a DVD through a player hooked up to a smart TV
The smart TV manufacturer knows what you are watching.

IDK about this one. Does metadata come through HDMI cables? If not, the TV would have to reverse-stream snapshots of screen images to corporate servers, which would then use pattern recognition software to identify the movie. That would be a whole lot of effort to capture the viewing habits of a very tiny sliver of the population.

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #63 on: June 14, 2022, 12:32:11 PM »
Watching a DVD through a player hooked up to a smart TV
The smart TV manufacturer knows what you are watching.

IDK about this one. Does metadata come through HDMI cables? If not, the TV would have to reverse-stream snapshots of screen images to corporate servers, which would then use pattern recognition software to identify the movie. That would be a whole lot of effort to capture the viewing habits of a very tiny sliver of the population.

https://digiday.com/future-of-tv/wtf-is-automatic-content-recognition/

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #64 on: June 14, 2022, 12:33:10 PM »
EDIT: got ninja'd by ChpBstrd

Watching a DVD through a player hooked up to a smart TV
The smart TV manufacturer knows what you are watching.
That last one may not be true, for two possible reasons:
1) you haven't connected the smart TV to the internet
2) the smart TV doesn't have the ability to detect what DVD is playing (likely, but I don't know enough about HDMI/HDCP to say for certain)

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #65 on: June 14, 2022, 12:35:04 PM »
EDIT: got ninja'd by ChpBstrd

Watching a DVD through a player hooked up to a smart TV
The smart TV manufacturer knows what you are watching.
That last one may not be true, for two possible reasons:
1) you haven't connected the smart TV to the internet
2) the smart TV doesn't have the ability to detect what DVD is playing (likely, but I don't know enough about HDMI/HDCP to say for certain)
https://digiday.com/future-of-tv/wtf-is-automatic-content-recognition/

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What content can ACR be used to identify?

Almost any content that is played on a smart TV and carries an audio or visual signal. Shows airing on linear TV. Streaming shows. Digital videos. Movies played from a DVD or Blu-ray disc. And of course, ads. However, the caveat is that the content needs to be catalogued in the reference library that is used by the ACR tech to match the audio and/or visual signals of what is being played on a TV.

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #66 on: June 14, 2022, 12:36:28 PM »
Watching a DVD through a player hooked up to a smart TV
The smart TV manufacturer knows what you are watching.

IDK about this one. Does metadata come through HDMI cables? If not, the TV would have to reverse-stream snapshots of screen images to corporate servers, which would then use pattern recognition software to identify the movie. That would be a whole lot of effort to capture the viewing habits of a very tiny sliver of the population.

I believe it does, only because when I last watched a DVD attached to my "dumb" TV the title of the DVD appeared on the TV in the TV menu. 

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Re: Really basic questions about buying a TV
« Reply #67 on: June 14, 2022, 12:44:23 PM »
Watching a DVD through a player hooked up to a smart TV
The smart TV manufacturer knows what you are watching.

IDK about this one. Does metadata come through HDMI cables? If not, the TV would have to reverse-stream snapshots of screen images to corporate servers, which would then use pattern recognition software to identify the movie. That would be a whole lot of effort to capture the viewing habits of a very tiny sliver of the population.

https://digiday.com/future-of-tv/wtf-is-automatic-content-recognition/
Thanks. Did not know that.

 

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